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Topic: I Have To, Why Shouldn't They?
Seakolony's photo
Wed 02/18/09 10:52 AM

I don't want to keep people working. I don't give a crap about what they do. It is not my business, but only their own.

All I want, is for them to stop stealing my money. An as long as they keep stealing my money, I am going to remain hostile to them.

I don't really care how they spend the check. I only want them to pay for the drug test to make it more miserable. It's my money after all. They treat me bad, they steal my money, I should be able to treat them bad too. Eye for an eye, damn it.

It doesn't matter if they poor or rich, smart or stupid, chinese or mexican. Do not steal the money I work for. That is all I ask. Apparently, this is too much to ask for.

Keeping them working requires less from society

norslyman's photo
Wed 02/18/09 11:22 AM
Pretty soon NOBODY will have a pot to piss in.tears

willing2's photo
Wed 02/18/09 11:24 AM
Edited by willing2 on Wed 02/18/09 11:27 AM


I could imagine, of the welfare eligible folks who would complain about drug screening would be the illicit drug users.

I would suggest cutting off welfare if there is alcohol or nicotine detected, as well.


And how do you know this?

How do you know it ain't so?
You might quit stalking me.
People are beginning to talk.

Seakolony's photo
Wed 02/18/09 12:04 PM

Pretty soon NOBODY will have a pot to piss in.tears

is restructure such a bad thing?? at least it would be a fresh start.

Winx's photo
Wed 02/18/09 12:56 PM



I could imagine, of the welfare eligible folks who would complain about drug screening would be the illicit drug users.

I would suggest cutting off welfare if there is alcohol or nicotine detected, as well.


And how do you know this?

How do you know it ain't so?
You might quit stalking me.
People are beginning to talk.



I do believe that I was on this thread before you. Are you sure it's not you stalking me?

From what you said, the employed people complaining about the UA test would be the illicit drug users too.


papersmile's photo
Wed 02/18/09 02:12 PM


so do you like the money you earn being spent by someone eles whos buying cigs, beer, weed, and flat screen tvs with it?


The thing is, it isn't only the poor (and ALL the poor) who are scamming the system.

I had a manager at the Board of Education who had the trades people re-do his house, using Board material. Who do you think supplemented that? That is just one example in the many.

I've seen a lot of rich people committing health fraud, welfare fraud, tax fraud, etc. It isn't limited to poor people and, by assuming so, it's incredibly stereotypical, judgemental and erroneous.

Report those that you know of who are abusing the system. That is the best way to beat fraud.




did you see wealthy or poor in my statement?
point is if my money is taken out of my hard earned check every week i want it to go to people who need it and are going to help pay their bills or feed their kids with it not piss it away.
hell if i dont piss my money away like that why the hell should they be allowed to?


Ummmm, aren't we taking about welfare recipients? I don't know any rich people who are on welfare. Well actually I did know of one, but she was abusing the system. I don't know whose post I originally copied, but my comment was a general one and wasn't really posed to the poster specifically. Besides, who says that they are indeed pissing it away?

Your taxes go to road repair too, don't they? What happens if you don't drive; should you still have to pay? Your taxes go to education as well. What happens if you don't have children? Should you still have to pay? My taxes go to hospitals. What if I don't get sick? Should I get a rebate? Hell the government gets paid through my taxes and I think THEY are surely pissing it away, with salaries, benefits, and bonuses, in addition to programs that I think suck.

nogames39's photo
Wed 02/18/09 06:03 PM



Your taxes go to road repair too, don't they? What happens if you don't drive; should you still have to pay? Your taxes go to education as well. What happens if you don't have children? Should you still have to pay? My taxes go to hospitals. What if I don't get sick? Should I get a rebate? Hell the government gets paid through my taxes and I think THEY are surely pissing it away, with salaries, benefits, and bonuses, in addition to programs that I think suck.


The answer is obvious, resounding YES, you should not be taxed on anything you do not use!

Only those who ever are using welfare, must pay taxes on it. I should be able to waiver out of it, if I never used it, and sign my refusal to ever use it.

Of course, if you wish to pay and not use, that is your choice.

deke's photo
Wed 02/18/09 06:22 PM

jeeeez

not again

first you dont HAVE to take a piss test. it is your choice for the job you want

second the dope smoking lazy ass welfare recepient is a stereotype that doesnt exist excpet for maybe 10% of em

third I am on Medicare and social security and I smoke dope. Are you saying I should lose my benefits and die because you wanna have a pissy tamtrum?
first you dont HAVE to take a piss test. it is your choice for the job you want


using that logic well if you want the welfare then it's your choice right (you should definatly have to take a drug test)
do you smoke dope for fun or for actual medical reason?
if it's just for then you should everything that my money paid for
but if it's for medical then i hope you receive more benefits because i know that doesn't amount to much

Winx's photo
Wed 02/18/09 06:23 PM




Your taxes go to road repair too, don't they? What happens if you don't drive; should you still have to pay? Your taxes go to education as well. What happens if you don't have children? Should you still have to pay? My taxes go to hospitals. What if I don't get sick? Should I get a rebate? Hell the government gets paid through my taxes and I think THEY are surely pissing it away, with salaries, benefits, and bonuses, in addition to programs that I think suck.


The answer is obvious, resounding YES, you should not be taxed on anything you do not use!

Only those who ever are using welfare, must pay taxes on it. I should be able to waiver out of it, if I never used it, and sign my refusal to ever use it.

Of course, if you wish to pay and not use, that is your choice.


I disagree. We're all in this together.

We want our country to be a great place. The children are our future.

Dragoness's photo
Wed 02/18/09 06:39 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Wed 02/18/09 06:40 PM





Your taxes go to road repair too, don't they? What happens if you don't drive; should you still have to pay? Your taxes go to education as well. What happens if you don't have children? Should you still have to pay? My taxes go to hospitals. What if I don't get sick? Should I get a rebate? Hell the government gets paid through my taxes and I think THEY are surely pissing it away, with salaries, benefits, and bonuses, in addition to programs that I think suck.


The answer is obvious, resounding YES, you should not be taxed on anything you do not use!

Only those who ever are using welfare, must pay taxes on it. I should be able to waiver out of it, if I never used it, and sign my refusal to ever use it.

Of course, if you wish to pay and not use, that is your choice.


I disagree. We're all in this together.

We want our country to be a great place. The children are our future.


Ludicrous thought that we should be able to sign out of taxes for things we don't use. I feel that is self centered to even think that way.

Besides, you will probably need one of the services you waiver out of at some time in your life so the restriction would end up over turned in the end because people made stupid decisions to waiver out of something they might need someday. We can't have those selfish folks doing without in their old age or disabled state now can we? And then it would be unfair to all those who paid into it like an insurance policy all their lives because their share would have to be split further.

I recommend all that have an issue with it, stop paying taxes, no income tax, no sales tax, no FICA, no social security taxes, etc... Stop paying taxes in protest. How else can the protest be noted? If they lock you up, refuse to pay any taxes on your money received in jail cause they do that now too. Quit *****in' and stop payin' what else can you do?

Dragoness's photo
Wed 02/18/09 06:53 PM

Most of the welfare eligible folks who would complain about drug screening would be the illicit drug users.
I would suggest cutting off welfare if there is alcohol or nicotine detected, as well.


This is not true at all. I would feel violated by a job that drug tested me or a government that drug tested me and I am definitely square when it comes to getting high. So I could understand their opposition.


longhairbiker's photo
Wed 02/18/09 07:10 PM
There is a lot of fraud and abuse.

Dan99's photo
Wed 02/18/09 07:24 PM
what is wrong is that Cannabis is essentially put in the same category as some other drugs.

It may be illegal but it isnt as damaging or impairing as proper class A drugs.

If im tested for using crack i would lose my job just the same as i would if i was tested for weed.

I can honestly say that even if i smoked a big fat Bob Marley right before i began my shift, i would do just as good a job as if i hadnt. Weed just doesnt affect you all that much. If you disagree you probably dont smoke it and should be quiet.

If you get tested for weed in your system, you shouldnt be classed as a drug addict, employed or unemployed.

nogames39's photo
Wed 02/18/09 09:30 PM

This is not true at all. I would feel violated by a job that drug tested me or a government that drug tested me and I am definitely square when it comes to getting high. So I could understand their opposition.


You'd feel violated, huh?

How do you think it feels, when you are taxed on the stuff you don't agree with?

If I remember correctly, your point on that was "majority decided" and "for the greater good".

Well, some day my dear. Majority will decide for the greater good to test you everywhere and for everything. Try to remember not to feel violated then.

Fanta46's photo
Wed 02/18/09 09:38 PM
laugh laugh laugh

I really must stop reading a few of these posts!!noway

yellowrose10's photo
Wed 02/18/09 09:39 PM

laugh laugh laugh

I really must stop reading a few of these posts!!noway


You read???? noway

Winx's photo
Wed 02/18/09 09:40 PM
laugh

Fanta46's photo
Wed 02/18/09 10:29 PM
Sometimes I just look at the pictures......huh glasses

Dragoness's photo
Wed 02/18/09 10:33 PM

laugh laugh laugh

I really must stop reading a few of these posts!!noway


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