Topic: I Have To, Why Shouldn't They?
MickyG's photo
Tue 02/17/09 10:09 PM


Friend of mine sent me this in an email. As you can tell, he's pretty frustrated. Opinions anyone?


I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes, and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit.

In order to earn that pay check, I work on a rig site for a construction project. At any time I am required to pass a random urine test, with which I have no problem.

HOWEVER, what I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn it for them?

Understand - I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do on the other hand have a problem with helping someone sit on their butt, drink beer and smoke dope.

Could you imagine how much money this country would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check?

If you agree, please pass this along, or simply ignore it if you don't. Hope you will pass it along though, because something has to change in this country.


We have already been through this on this site several times.

There would be no money saved by drug testing people who receive benefits from the government.
The cost of the drug testing alone would be outstanding, private employers pay for their own testing.

Second, one should not ever assume that all people who are on assistance or even most are druggies unless they are prejudice, hatefilled, discriminating and ignorant folks, which I am sure there are none of those on this site, right?

Isn't it funny how the poor in this country have to be the bane of all in the eyes of the prejudice in this country. I guess kick the underdog while they are down is always the best policy.slaphead noway My opinion here of course.


Music to my ears, thank you.

Dragoness's photo
Tue 02/17/09 10:09 PM


but if they started weeding out the ones who fail wouldnt there be a little less cases to have to worry about?
all the money they waste on these people has to be more expensive then a piss test

If you have called it has been investigated to the best of Social Services ability. The only other thing is report it to the police. They will go to jail and not receive benefits. Testing gets quite expensive in itself. If were to test someone for drugs each time they come in, it would waste time and funds. Plus it would only take one person out not the whole family. Its not the kids fault, the choices of their families.


People who use drugs do not go to jail for using them. Selling, distributing, go to jail. If you are caught using it you will receive a ticket.

MickyG's photo
Tue 02/17/09 10:11 PM


but if they started weeding out the ones who fail wouldnt there be alittle less cases to have to worry about?
all the money they waste on these people has to be more expensive then a piss test


It is not plus once you find out the poor have a drug problem the humane thing to do, just like employers do is pay for them to go to rehab so if this is done like the employers do then the client will get drug testing and rehab out of the deal and will be eligible for benefits once they complete the rehab program just like most employers do.


Ditto

Dragoness's photo
Tue 02/17/09 10:16 PM



I will say there are people on welfare that use it to get back on their feet but most of the people I know on it....it's a career. they go out and party with the money or spend it on things they don't need...like fake nails etc.

I don't mind my taxes helping people that are legit....but i don't want to support anyone just because they can't get off their butts. My aunt is one of them and would move state to state when the welfare ran out

You can not do that anymore. The most a person can collect welfare and not work is 36 months. If they work the required hours, then the months won't count against them.


the states have different welfare regulations. and like i said...she goes state to state. people get on disability alot to get money also and they have nothing wrong with them


The welfare thing is not so different from state to state that it allows more than 5 years benefits for a lifetime because when I worked for the department we counted the months they were receiving in another state against their five year limit.

Second, disability is not easy to get on at all at any level so this statement is completely false. As with any program there can be scammers but it is not common or everyday and a doctor helped them scam if it happens so we need to address the doctor severely.

Winx's photo
Tue 02/17/09 10:20 PM


THAT'S NOT TRUE!!!:angry:


Why don't you bring up one example.


Read what Dragoness said.:wink:

nogames39's photo
Tue 02/17/09 10:20 PM


It is not plus once you find out the poor have a drug problem the humane thing to do, just like employers do is pay for them to go to rehab so if this is done like the employers do then the client will get drug testing and rehab out of the deal and will be eligible for benefits once they complete the rehab program just like most employers do.


It is not a humane thing to do to rob people, even if the money is spent on a humane cause.

Besides, where do you think employers get the money from and do you think they are doing it voluntarily?

The test should be paid by the recipients of welfare, and without any increase of their checks accordingly.

yellowrose10's photo
Tue 02/17/09 10:23 PM




I will say there are people on welfare that use it to get back on their feet but most of the people I know on it....it's a career. they go out and party with the money or spend it on things they don't need...like fake nails etc.

I don't mind my taxes helping people that are legit....but i don't want to support anyone just because they can't get off their butts. My aunt is one of them and would move state to state when the welfare ran out

You can not do that anymore. The most a person can collect welfare and not work is 36 months. If they work the required hours, then the months won't count against them.


the states have different welfare regulations. and like i said...she goes state to state. people get on disability alot to get money also and they have nothing wrong with them


The welfare thing is not so different from state to state that it allows more than 5 years benefits for a lifetime because when I worked for the department we counted the months they were receiving in another state against their five year limit.

Second, disability is not easy to get on at all at any level so this statement is completely false. As with any program there can be scammers but it is not common or everyday and a doctor helped them scam if it happens so we need to address the doctor severely.


1. she has been doing it for OVER 5 years. Maybe she slipped through the cracks. I don't know

2. I do know people on disability that aren't disabled. there are several on it for depression but they don't take meds and can function just fine. it is not false. i know what i am talking about and have reported them but nothing ever came out of it. my sister is disabled and bed ridden...i know what she went through to get it. so i am aware of the process. but a lot get through because of crooked doctors...in those cases...it is easy

Winx's photo
Tue 02/17/09 10:23 PM
Edited by Winx on Tue 02/17/09 10:27 PM


oh but they are
thats why its called welfare faud!

Oh no they are not, not here anyways......the most a family of four can even receive in a month is 463 dollars. And if they receive welfare the state takes their child support. Most peoples child support is higher than welfare, so they don't even take it. Welfare laws rules and regulations have changed dramatically and change more all the time. Since the law changes there has been a 40% drop in welfare recipients in this state and many others.


Did you read this, Nogames? The family of four with $463 a month to live on should pay for urine tests? Punish them even more for being poor?

Do employees that take them pay for them? No.

If you were a parent that lost their job or became disabled, or lost their spouse, you might feel differently.




MickyG's photo
Tue 02/17/09 10:25 PM
I have to admit that many angles regarding this issue have been touched upon, in such a short amount of time as well. I can only imagine what could be possible if a 'think tank'(that is not the terminology I would like to use) of those who desire a better outcome within their lives without state or gov't money needed to be used.
I just constantly find myself frustrated with those blind to the obvious and prefer to point fingers.
We all have flaws! Are there any humans with heart willing to understand a situation that is unfamiliar anymore?


yellowrose10's photo
Tue 02/17/09 10:30 PM
for the record...i am speaking about what I KNOW and have seen. i'm not talking about the entire country. there are people who need it and people that abuse it. it happens and i would love for some kind of better screening for any government help

Dragoness's photo
Tue 02/17/09 10:33 PM



It is not plus once you find out the poor have a drug problem the humane thing to do, just like employers do is pay for them to go to rehab so if this is done like the employers do then the client will get drug testing and rehab out of the deal and will be eligible for benefits once they complete the rehab program just like most employers do.


It is not a humane thing to do to rob people, even if the money is spent on a humane cause.

Besides, where do you think employers get the money from and do you think they are doing it voluntarily?

The test should be paid by the recipients of welfare, and without any increase of their checks accordingly.


The humane thing to do when dealing with a living being is not always the best thing to do??? The HUMANE thing to do is not always the best thing to do with other humans???

Oh yea, the joy of the experience to be so down on your luck with no family to help you having to grovel at the welfare department for a dime, which is all they get, nothing, to live off of and feed their children and then have them get told they need to fork over half of their money for a drug test because the prejudice in this country think all poor people want to sit on their asses and collect the other people's money.

I hope you never have to be in this situation, I really do.

What happened to the empathy of the struggle people endure? What happened to the consideration of others lives being different from our own but understanding that the fight they go through is legitimate and worthy of tolerance?

Why hasn't this racist philosophy of the poor (being mostly minorities which is not always true) is the downfall of this country gone with the knowledge that hatefulness is not a productive way to live?

If you listen and understand the meaning behind these messages you will realize that the motive behind the taught message is that one of hatred and ignorance.

Dragoness's photo
Tue 02/17/09 10:36 PM





I will say there are people on welfare that use it to get back on their feet but most of the people I know on it....it's a career. they go out and party with the money or spend it on things they don't need...like fake nails etc.

I don't mind my taxes helping people that are legit....but i don't want to support anyone just because they can't get off their butts. My aunt is one of them and would move state to state when the welfare ran out

You can not do that anymore. The most a person can collect welfare and not work is 36 months. If they work the required hours, then the months won't count against them.


the states have different welfare regulations. and like i said...she goes state to state. people get on disability alot to get money also and they have nothing wrong with them


The welfare thing is not so different from state to state that it allows more than 5 years benefits for a lifetime because when I worked for the department we counted the months they were receiving in another state against their five year limit.

Second, disability is not easy to get on at all at any level so this statement is completely false. As with any program there can be scammers but it is not common or everyday and a doctor helped them scam if it happens so we need to address the doctor severely.


1. she has been doing it for OVER 5 years. Maybe she slipped through the cracks. I don't know

2. I do know people on disability that aren't disabled. there are several on it for depression but they don't take meds and can function just fine. it is not false. i know what i am talking about and have reported them but nothing ever came out of it. my sister is disabled and bed ridden...i know what she went through to get it. so i am aware of the process. but a lot get through because of crooked doctors...in those cases...it is easy


One or two of your knowledge, which is very limited because you do not know their diagnosis, you are making a prejudgement without all the knowledge, does not equate "alot" by any standards. You want to be prejudice so you are. My opinion here of course.

MickyG's photo
Tue 02/17/09 10:41 PM
Just for argument sake what is the difference between having your money taken by those who do not have to held accountable for how they spend your money to those who receive your money from the aforementioned?

yellowrose10's photo
Tue 02/17/09 10:41 PM
you have NO clue who I know and how close I have been to them. I KNOW what I'm talking about. you don't know what i know or how many i know. you don't know where i've worked...people i know or anything. in fact i know an entire family (extended members and everything) that brag about conning the system. they are under investigation now because they bragged to the wrong person. and that is only a drop in the bucket of what i know. until you know anything about who i am...DON'T tell me what i know and don't know

Dragoness's photo
Tue 02/17/09 10:48 PM

you have NO clue who I know and how close I have been to them. I KNOW what I'm talking about. you don't know what i know or how many i know. you don't know where i've worked...people i know or anything. in fact i know an entire family (extended members and everything) that brag about conning the system. they are under investigation now because they bragged to the wrong person. and that is only a drop in the bucket of what i know. until you know anything about who i am...DON'T tell me what i know and don't know


You do not know their diagnosis, no matter how much you protest. If you know abusers of the system you need to report them and let the government take care of it.

If you are in on their diagnosis you would have to be their caretaker and legally able to know it, which would make you just as guilty as they are, right?

I don't believe it and I have that right. Sorry if that makes you mad or offends you as it is not my intent.

Dragoness's photo
Tue 02/17/09 10:49 PM

Just for argument sake what is the difference between having your money taken by those who do not have to held accountable for how they spend your money to those who receive your money from the aforementioned?



I did not understand what you meant here, sorry

yellowrose10's photo
Tue 02/17/09 10:51 PM


you have NO clue who I know and how close I have been to them. I KNOW what I'm talking about. you don't know what i know or how many i know. you don't know where i've worked...people i know or anything. in fact i know an entire family (extended members and everything) that brag about conning the system. they are under investigation now because they bragged to the wrong person. and that is only a drop in the bucket of what i know. until you know anything about who i am...DON'T tell me what i know and don't know


You do not know their diagnosis, no matter how much you protest. If you know abusers of the system you need to report them and let the government take care of it.

If you are in on their diagnosis you would have to be their caretaker and legally able to know it, which would make you just as guilty as they are, right?

I don't believe it and I have that right. Sorry if that makes you mad or offends you as it is not my intent.


Lady...I don't know who you think you are. you have no clue. I do know the diagnosis. and I have reported it to the proper people. you don't know what i do for a living or who i know. believe what you want. your opinion doesn't matter to me...but I will NOT be called a liar from someone that is clueless about who i am

MickyG's photo
Tue 02/17/09 10:52 PM
This thread is about to lose its reality in terms of a 360 degree view in terms of lives. Ahhh so much politics and so few people with time to understandhappy happy happy happy

yellowrose10's photo
Tue 02/17/09 10:55 PM
I only used a FEW examples of family members. don't think that's all i base anything on

Dragoness's photo
Tue 02/17/09 10:55 PM



you have NO clue who I know and how close I have been to them. I KNOW what I'm talking about. you don't know what i know or how many i know. you don't know where i've worked...people i know or anything. in fact i know an entire family (extended members and everything) that brag about conning the system. they are under investigation now because they bragged to the wrong person. and that is only a drop in the bucket of what i know. until you know anything about who i am...DON'T tell me what i know and don't know


You do not know their diagnosis, no matter how much you protest. If you know abusers of the system you need to report them and let the government take care of it.

If you are in on their diagnosis you would have to be their caretaker and legally able to know it, which would make you just as guilty as they are, right?

I don't believe it and I have that right. Sorry if that makes you mad or offends you as it is not my intent.


Lady...I don't know who you think you are. you have no clue. I do know the diagnosis. and I have reported it to the proper people. you don't know what i do for a living or who i know. believe what you want. your opinion doesn't matter to me...but I will NOT be called a liar from someone that is clueless about who i am


It's cool as long as you understand my right to not believe you then we are great. Have a wonderful nightflowerforyou