I like his style of writing as it’s sometimes very lyrical and poetic but I have to admit, I can’t always follow his train of thought. I know some people can understand him just fine like Abra but I’m just not capable. Every now and then I get the "flow" but not consistently.

Salvation is the most important thing anyone can do for themselves. The reason I put verses there is I want people to know exactly were I am coming from and you can check it out for yourself. There is not enough room to post whole bible stories.

Anyone who is saved should want everyone to know about salvation. You don’t need to be a missionary for that.

Are you saved Jesus want to save you?


1JOHN 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

You have lost all credibility on this thread.

That's ironic.


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Ok, I'll take you up on your offer. Here are some contradictions that I listed earlier in this thread. How about we start with these?

(NIV version)
What did Judas actually do?

Matthew 27:5 “So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself.”
VS
Acts 1:18 “With the reward he got for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out.”


Has anyone really seen God?

John 1:18 “No one has ever seen God, but God the only Son, who is at the Father’s side, has made him known.

Exodus 33:20 “But, he said, you cannot see my face, for noone may see me and live.”

1 John 4:12 “No one has ever seen God, but if we love each other, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.”

VS

Genesis 32:30 “So Jacob called the place Peniel saying, It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.”

Exodus 33:11 “The Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks with his friend.

Isaiah 6:1 “In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of his robe filled the temple.”

Job 42:5 “My ears have heard of you, but now my eyes have seen you.”

There are no contradictions. You are right people shouldn’t have to go to length trying to explain away contradictions.

JAMES 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. 23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.

I’m sorry to here that take a second look.

EPHESIANS 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

lol......

i totally understand, as i do not speak as "normal", and this i understand and accept......

but to me, there IS NO NORMAL, OR OTHER'S ARE LOWERED TO CREATE A "NORMAL FOR SELF"???

this in itself is the HIDIEOUS EVIL THAT DESTROY UNTIY AND PEACE AND THE SIGHT THAT "ALL THINGS ARE COMMON TO ALL HUMAN'S"???

my scutiny is in the "speck", that create the big bad ugly, CALLED THE INVISIBLE FORETHOUGHT OF MAN???

i am what i am, and understand what is "heard" from me will be accessed thru the place each human is in???

if one garner their speech, to SUITE OTHERS, has one fallen prey to APPROVAL RATINGS???

look, I CARE NOT WHAT ONE PERSON THINK OF ME HERE, AND AT THE SAME TIME, THIS THEN ALLOW TO RECIEVE ALL WORDS AS TRUE, and then see the more they tell???

at the same time, TO NOT HEAR BACK WORDS FROM OTHERS AND SEE "TRUTH" IN IT, show self is not in most reality, and i "hear back" the words as true that come back to me in repsonse....

ALL OTHERS WORDS ARE THE MOST GUIDE TO WHAT MOST REALITY IS, whether you know it or not???

just because you spout off text and verse Miles, means nothing as to what true reality is???

but to you it does, as these "definitions" you believe GIVE CREEEDENCE TO A DEFINITION SELF FIRST HAD???

when all things spoken by another are accepted as true reality, MOST THE "NEGATIVE" OF SELF, THEN SELF IS ALWAYS FREE TO SEE HOW IT IS TRUE, AND WHAT IS THEN MORE TRUE AS WELL???

i am MOST SAYING THAT THE NOTION OF "GOD AND SATAN" ARE ONLY "STATES OF MIND" WITHIN A HUMAN BEING, NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS???

that there IS NO SATAN AND GOD OUTSIDE OF MANKIND ITSELF???

that THERE NEVER WAS EVER!!!

that this NOTION HAS BEEN PERPETUATED BY "INTERPETATIONS" THAT WERE TAINTED BY PERSONAL MOTIVE that was FIRST HAD???

proposed as well, that there is NO ONE SINGLE SUPREME BEING IN THE SKY ASKING FOR "PEOPLE TO PLEASE IT", AND THERE IS NO SATAN AS A "SINGLE SUPREME EVIL BEING" TRYING TO DEVOURE SELF, EXCEPT SELF FIGHTING SELF???

of course, IF YOU ARE HAPPY WITH SELF AS IT IS, AND IN COMFORT OF SELF IN ALL WAYS, then HOW SELF FIGHT SELF, will be of no interest to you???

BUT, if one is sad, as not living up to it's own happiness, then HOW SELF DEFEAT SELF IS OF THE MOST IMPORTANCE???

look, all i am saying, is THERE LIE WITHIN SELF THE ABILITY TO BE AS HITLER WITHIN ALL HUMAN THINGS???

no???

then does this NOT SHOW SELF SEE NOT THE VERY FIRST "THINKING" THAT MADE HITLER DECIDE TO DESTROY MILLIONS OF OTHER'S???

all his thoughts are NOT IMPORTANT, BUT ONLY THE FIRST THOUGHT THAT "ALLOW" ANY BELIEF AS THIS TO GROW???

what is the FIRST ROOT BELIEF THAT "MUST" BE PRESENT TO DESTROY OR HARM OR USE ANOTHER FOR SELF INTEREST???

SELF IS OF HIGHER VALUE???

if this is believed, NO MATTER WHAT RELIGION SELF USE TO "VALIDATE SELF BELIEF", THEN SELF IS PRONE TO DOING UNTO OTHER'S MANY THINGS IT SEE NOT ARE FOR ITSELF MOST, and that this, IN ITSELF, IS THE "ONLY REASON ANY UNHAPPINESS CAN EXIST WITHIN ANY HUMAN BEING, and the only root first belief that can CREATE OR DO EVIL???

that THIS IS WHAT ONE NEED "SAVED" FROM, by seeing WHAT IT IS IN IT'S INFANCY???

look, IF SELF IS TRYING TO "PROVE TO ITSELF OR MAKE ITSELF AS GOOD, THEN SELF IS FOLLOWING THIS SAME THING, just in a smaller essence, BUT THE SAME IN THOUGHT, SO GIVEN THE SAME ENVIRONMENT AS HITLER, HAS THE POTENTIAL TO PRODUCE THE SAME???

is that said better???

i am saying this most come from SELF SEEKING VALIDATION from others, so then self unconsciously surround self with ONLY ONE'S THAT THINK AS ITSELF, and give FALSE praise unto self, AS THE INERT DESIRE TO BE LOVED IS SOOOOOOOOOOOO STRONG, that it BLIND self to other's, making other's in time to only come to be as "objects to satisfy self wished words and actions"???

the thing that make self wish for another human, that DOES NOT WANT OR IS NOT ATTRACTED TO SELF???

WHAT makes this into a EVIL THING, but believing it tell self "it is not good"???

if ALL OTHER'S WANTS ARE NOT SEEN AS PURE, THEN SELF IS SUBJECT TO FALL PREY TO THE "THINKING" THAT ANOTHER IS LESS, WHEN IN REALITY, ALL WAYS SELF IS TREATED "MUST" BE DEEMED AS CREDIBLE, or there is delusiuon of self, that SOON BELIEVE ALL OTHER'S ARE THE BAD GUY'S, AND SELF IS THE ONLY MOST GOOD???

if you see into human nature, that only come with truely seeing into self, THEN WHAT I AM SAYING CANNOT BE AS FOREIGN???

as if this is NOT KNOWN, then this in itself show self HAS NOT LOOKED INTO THE MIRROR, AND ONLY TRY TO MAKE OTHER'S HOW SELF "THINK THEY SHOULD BE"???

it create controlling, unconscious maniplution of others, total blindness to who and what self is in time???


i am also stating that RELIGION MOST PERPETUATE THIS NOTION, by telling self how "half of it's emotions are evil one's???

also saying that ANSWERING THE QUESTION, "WHAT DOES ONE NEED SAVED FROM", SHOW SELF IT'S OWN TRUE MOTIVE, and that ONLY SEEING ONE'S OWN TRUE MOTIVE, IS WHAT SAVE ITSELF FROM IT'S OWN DELUSION???

and that TEXT was only always saying to LOOK OUT FOR THIS???

nothing more, nothing less???

if it be not a motive of loving other's, and MOST THE MOTIVE OF SELF BEING LOVED ITSELF, THEN IT CREATE **** FOR OTHER'S???

that is all.....









these in text are ONLY describing "STATES OF MIND" WITHIN HUMAN BEINGS, which are able to create FIRST "MOTIVE", that is capable of blooming into the said MANIFESTATIONS AS DESCRIBED WITHIN TEXT???

Oh my. After reading your copy and pasted Bible verse I finally see the truth! GOD IS REA-

Nah, just kidding. I'm still a Pagan, lol.

There are no contradictions only people's misunderstanding of what they are reading.




I know you mean well but this guy is trying to sell books to gay people.

Paul was called a Pharasee of Pharasees. We see Paul sacraficing in acts 21. He speaks of the Law often.

Paul was not gay as this guy suggests.

He says he is open that is why he can show these things.

He uses Yahweh throughout the OT.. Then in the NT he gives for names for the messiah he says they were called then. Remember the letter J did not appear untill the KJV 1500 years later. He is no expert at all. He is trying to appeal to the gay population to give them fire power towards the churches.. He is pretty slick i will give him that. But in the 1st century thier was no NT. and all scripture they use and even say it is good for correction is the OT. And if i remember right wasn't Lois Pauls Mother in law. People are good at twisting things especially if it will inflate thier poctet book...Blessings...Miles



I went through and read ever last post of the OP......And as I see it....He is an over zealous Christian...But all he speaks is truth...I think one thing that people have to understand about Christians is that we #1 Love Christ and #2 Believe the Bible to be absolute truth. For us all the answers are there....So to say that posting scriptures is an easy way out and why don't we use our own words....Those words that are scripture are the best answers. Now I will also say that he was annoying and in doing my ministry on line for over 10 years he will get no where. Was he wrong in any of his postings as far as scriptures. NOPE He was right on.....the only mistake was in his original post on 12 where he has Greeks and not gentiles...and that was it.

Is it against the rules what he posted...Nope was he shoving it down throats.....yes

IT IS NOT MISSED THAT ANY THAT LOVE AND PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO A CHARACTER OF A BOOK, whether THIS ONE lived or not, HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO LOVE AN "IMAGE" OF SOME GOD, MORE THAN OTHER HUMANS AS EQUAL SOVERIGN HUMAN BEINGS???

did not CHRSIT HIMSELF SAY, "WHAT YOU HAVE DONE UNTO THE "LEAST" OF THESE YOU HAVE DONE UNTO ME"???

is that not the same as to say SERVE NOT ME as some GOD???

but to say, CHRISTIAN'S LOVE "CHRIST" SAY'S IT ALL???

this type thinking has even led to betraying other's unto death in past days, and has ALWAYS PRODUCED THESE PRODUCTS OF BIGOTRY AND HATE MOTIVE WITHIN, WHEN NOTIONS AS THESE ARE BELIEVED???

SERVING WHAT IS BELIEVED TO BE A "SINGLE SUPREME" ENTITY" IN THE SKY OR IN A SINGLE HUMAN AS SUCH???

THIS BELIEF HAS NO CHOICE BUT TO CREATE A MOTIVE THAT VALUE IT'S "BELIEF OF ITSELF", AS HAVING MORE VALUE AND WORTH THAN OTHER HUMANS???

as if "jesus" would wish for one to have and put more value and worth in it, than in other humans as equal???

when all words spoken by the man himself were to discourage such practice of divide and disunity of fellow mankind???

COULD THIS BE THE VERY REASON CHRIST SAID "YE ALL ARE GODS"???

THINGS AS THIS HAVE LED MANY SOCIETIES INTO SLAVE CAMPS???

JESUS SAID, ALL ARE CHILDREN???

JESUS SAID, ALL YE ARE GODS???

how is this missed???

love thy enemies as thyself???

love thy NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF???

how does this say, LOVE JESUS CHRIST MOST???

how does one seek and call itself a "christian", and not show it seek FOR IT'S OWN SELF INTEREST MOST, BY ACCEPTING THE THINGS SELF BELIEVE THIS WILL ATTAIN FOR ITSELF???

WHAT ONE IS TRYING TO SAVE ONESELF FROM, TELL JUST HOW MUCH "LOVE FOR OTHER'S" ONE HAS???

this is NO EXAMPLE SET BY JESUS IN ANY BOOK???

But david I do love you

thats easy to say dear feral, but the belief one serve say what be more true???

if you love me, then what say ye to the questions posed???

ARE THEY TRUE???

did not jesus christ in all words try to STOP PEOPLE FROM WORSHIPPING HIM???

remember in revelations, when john the revelator has his visions, and was lifted up???

the one that came to him, JOHN BOWED TO, AND THE ONE JOHN SAID WAS DIVINE TO HIM, TOLD HIM TO "GET UP", DO NOT BOW, I AM OF THE BRETHERN AS YOURSELF???

HUMAN AS THYSELF???

why did jesus say YE ARE ALL GODS???

why did he say, what ye have done unto the "least" of these, you have done unto me???

why did he say, none that believed him not would NOT BE JUDGED???

what did abrahman learn after "believing" god wished him to sacrifice his only son???

HE SAID NO!!!

don't you see it is a ruse, a deception, a trap, set to ensnare ANY THAT SEEK FOR ITSELF???

IF YOU LOVE ME, THEN GO AND LOOK AGAIN, AT WHAT YOU FIRST BELIEVED???

ask your god what be true, as these words my god say are true, and say shall never be proven as not true in this world or any world, so one of us is deceieved by the god we hear from???

THE ONLY SIGN ONE LOVE ANOTHER, IS THEY HEAR THEIR WORDS AS OF EQUAL VALUE TO THEIR OWN, AND VALUE THEM AS INSIGHT TO BE LOOKED INTO???

i understand HOW and WHY these things were propogated within mankind, to make war for a time, just as jesus spoke they would, seperate one from another, even families one from another, BUT WHEN ASKED ABOUT MARRIAGE AND DIVORCE, HE SAID "IT WAS NOT SO IN THE "BEGINNING"???

what was in the BEGINNING???

MAN WAS ASHAMED BEFORE GOD, AND SO "CLOTHED ITSELF"???

WHAT DID IT CLOTH ITSELF WITH???

yes, i agree, many empires are built upon the notions that man needs saved, AND THESE ARE IMBEDDED WITHIN SOCIETY, but if jesus said these things, and is said to return, then WHAT WOULD HE SAY NOW???

would he say now, BOW AT MY FFET, OR YOU ARE A BAD SERVANT???

as what the voice that spoke to john told him was indeed very telling, OF THE EASY THINKING TO BE TAKEN FROM SUCH THINGS???

are we in a new beginning feral???

you believe yourself in a rapture???

if there is, WHAT GREATER LOVE THAN TO LAY DOWN ONE'S LIFE FOR A FRIEND, AND DEEM THEY SHOULD GO AND NOT SELF???

IS THIS NOT THE KIND OF LOVE JESUS DISPLAYED AND GAVE HIMSELF TO DEATH FOR???

WHY DID HE TURN DOWN WHAT THE "MIND SATAN" OFFERED HIM WHEN BEING OFFERED THE "KINGDOM"???

he offered him status, and indeed it was most true, as he was beloeved of the people, BUT HE TURNED IT DOWN!!!

for the saving of anything is from the notion that GOD IS DISPLEASED WITH IT???

WHAT IS IT YOU WISH TO BE SAVED FROM FERAL???

this in itself create the motive of the heart that either love or not???

ask yourself this, and look into your own self, and see just what you seek for yourself???

FOR THESE THINGS SERVED TOLD ONLY IN PART ARE WHAT LED THE SHEEP TO THE SLAUGHTER???

was it not said, that jesus would come back and free the sheep, and how would this be done, except by freeing from a belief that enslave itself to a law of "goodness", allowing self to see that it most seek to preserve itself in this life or the life to come???

ALL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE, AND THERE ARE IS NOT ONE QUALIFER???

ALL HUMANS ARE IMMORTAL WHEN THEY DIE, OR CHRIST WOULD NOT HAVE SAID "YE ARE ALL GOD'S", AS A GOD IS IMMORTAL IS IT NOT???

TO LAY DOWN ONE'S LIFE FOR A FRIEND, IS WHAT JESUS DID, BY NOT EVEN ALLOWING THE WHOLE OLD TESTEMANT LAW TO MAKE HIM WANT TO PLEASE GOD, MORE THAN LOVE OTHERS, AND HOW DOES ONE LOVE OTHERS???

IF ONESELF IS FREED FROM SIN, THEN SELF SEE AS CHRIST, AND SO SEE NOT SIN, SO THEN HOW CAN THERE BE SIGHT OF "SIN OF OTHER'S"???

this in itself show oneself is still under the curse of the book, as the BOOK IS A CURSE AND A BLESSING, DEPENDING IN HOW IT IS READ???

WHAT IS THE BITTERNESS IN THE TUMMY WHEN THE BOOK IS EATEN???

if it is bitter in the tummy, then it must pass thru the body, and out of self then???

this is what the saying itself meant???

IF IT IS SEEN WITH EYE'S THAT DEFINE NOT WITH BEGINNING OR ENDING???

what SIN does one see in another that it see not in itself as well???

these such belief's are and have been USED TO LIFT SOME, BY LOWERING OTHERS???

THESE THINGS NO MATTER HOW MUCH THEY ARE AND HAVE BEEN TAUGHT, ARE NOT ALL THE WORDS???

Technically this thread should be reported and proselytizing is not allowed.

I'm intrigued how the original poster with his question "are you saved?" boldly invades the privacy of others, and thinks nothing of it. Being saved, even for a christian, should be between his god and himself, it's not any others business.

Ddrgkd is being led by the Holy Spirit.

This is no accident that he showed up here like he did.

He was led here to share God's Word cause there is an Urgency in his spirit to do so....

and that same urgency has been on my heart also....

that is why I am praying for all.


Time is short...very short....and we don't know what tomorrow may bring.


So don't put off Salvation another day, folks.

This is real..and the gospel message of Salvation is real...and for all.

Don't put this off anymore if God is dealing with your hearts.

Don't delay anymore.

Be Blessed Everyone Now.

We Love You All.

So Does God.

MS he has not even read the bible. Dont be fooled.

He is annoying but he knows scripture..I went through every post....and eve on your usual rant about injustices to woman he was being a gentleman and wanted a woman to answer.

So that means that Christ never rejected the law that Yahweh put in place saying that we should absolutely express no compassion, reject due process, jump to conclusions and stone innocent people to death. Especially young virgins.



The scripture that I have been posting.



Then wouldn’t that mean he was rejecting the law of Yahweh?



So you are now saying that these men were NOT divinely inspired at all. Hmm haven’t the non-believers being saying this for months now?




The Romans executed Jesus and more than likely it was set up by the Orthodox Jews. You should be thanking them. If Jesus had never been nailed to a pole, where would your road to salvation be today?



I don’t like it and I don’t like Yahweh.



Who has ever argued this point? It is also the reason I am not a Christian. I will not condone such horrid abuses of HUMANS and not just women.



Many and your point? Does that make it okay somehow? Is that an excuse?




I am reading EXACTLY what is says. It is you that have to present 15 pages of extended exegesis in order to somehow pacify this horror and explain it in your own brain.



Couldn’t I ask this same question of you? Why do you cling to Christianity? I don’t require a security blanket in my life. I answer to no one but myself and I realize my actions will have consequences. I am also prepared to accept that this life on earth may be all we have. I am not afraid of that.




The entire time I was in college getting my degree, I volunteered for Amnesty International. I was forced to face head on the atrocities perpetrated against women in the name of religion. Issues such as widespread rape, genital mutilation, honor killings. The list goes on.

Christians are in such denial.

SweetnFunny just posted some obvious contradictions in the Bible that cannot be misunderstood.

To deny that they are contradicitions is truly denial of reality.

There are many contradictions in the Bible. Jesus' blatant rejection of the ways of the God of Abraham when people are trying to claim that he's the Son of the God of Abraham is the prime example.

Jesus also never claimed to be the son of the God of Abraham, he simply claimed to be the son of God, but he was careful to qualify that by saying that we are all children of God thus making it clear that he was not singling himself out as being special.

The Jesus Freaks can't handle the God of Abraham's male-chuavinistic personality. So they have made Jesus into a God and they just pretend that the God of Abraham is meaningless.

But they also want to try to claim that Jesus was the sacrificial lamb of the God of Abraham.

Well duh.

Since when do you worship a sacrificial lamb as God? Jesus was no God, even if the Bible was true he was nothing more than a sacrificial lamb of a God. You're not supposed to worship the sacarificial lamb, you're supposed to bow down and worship the male chauvinistic pig who has his son nail to a pole as a sacrifice.

In fact the whole idea of a God who needs to make a sacrifice to humans (or a demon) is utterly absurd and suggests a truly inept helpless God.

Clearly the Biblical story of God cannot possibly be true, it's riddle with contradicition through and through and the Jesus Freaks are in total denial.

Jesus could not possibly have been the son of the God of Abraham. That's the only thing that's not ambiguous in the Bible.

Clearly the whole male-chauvinistic heathen hating-religion of the Israelites was a creation of their own arrogance.

It's just a departure and rebellion against the true creator of this universe, our own internal Spirit!

Even John recognized the pantheistic view that Jesus taught:

John 4:12 “No one has ever seen God, but if we love each other, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.”

See God lives within us.

And this comes directly from the Bible.

Jesus said, "Ye are Gods".

The Christian Fundamentalists are the one's who have totally misunderstood teh pantheistic teachings of Jesus.

Jesus, clearly denounced the ancient religion and the ficticious God of Abraham. Jesus said, "Before Abraham was I AM"

This means that we are all spirit and we all come before any manmade Gods (like the God of Abraham).

Moreover it's certainly not a procliamation of being the SON of the God of Abraham. A person would never claim to have existed BEFORE a ficticious God if they wanted to claim to be his SON.

Therefore Jesus himself ruled out any possiblity of being the SON of the God of Abraham.

So all these CHristians and Evangelists have it all wrong. Jesus was not the Son of the God of Abraham by his own testimony.

So that's the end of that.

Jesus was just a mortal man not unlike Buddha. In fact, he peached precisely the same things as Buddha.

The Christian Fundamentalists have spit in the face of Jesus, and continue to do so every day.

First off, Jesus taught not to pray in public like the Pharisees, yet Christian Fundamentalists spit in the face of Jesus and push to have public prayer in schools.

Clearly these Christians hate Jesus and have no respect for him at all.

Jesus taught to his diciples to spread his pantheistic teachings and to denounce the ways of the false God of Abraham to anyone who will listenand to ignore those who aren't interested .

Christians spit in the face of Jesus.

First off they misunderstood his pantheistic message. And secondly they take their corrupted sick view of Jesus and continually shove it in the face of people who don't want to hear it.

That's not what Jesus asked anyone to do!

Evangelists spit in the face of Jesus and totally ignore his teachings.

They hate Jesus. And they spread hatred in Jesus' name.

Shame on the evangelists!

Spreading hate in Jesus' name with total defiance to his teachings.

How rude and totally inconsiderate.