Topic: Obama kills at least 7 in Pakistan
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Fri 01/30/09 06:53 PM
Edited by Seakolony on Fri 01/30/09 06:54 PM



You guys still at it?
Buncha Sore Losers. explode

Who lost, really, who lost.....I think it was the Iraqi people oppressed by a cruel government and by the US that came in a killed their loved ones. And we are just supposed to withdrawal and leave them to more oppression and cruelty??? Do you care what has happened to these people??

Meanwhile, loving the fact that the US slips into Socialistic hell and an oppression of our own at home!! Do you have any memory of what the US was built on and any fear of what we are freakin becoming???

Im talkin the guys makin this post and then promoting it everyday.
the title is Obama and negatory.
My son is a 3 tour vet and a Navy Seal. Hes over there now on land assignment. Calls me every week and gives me the skinny on whats happening.


I totally understand and I love you and your sons for the sacrifices you are making. I lost my cousin in the Air Force over this crap. I feel and my family has bled for this.

You must be very proud!!

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Fri 01/30/09 09:23 PM


Time out!!!

If I could only bring myself to believe one sentence, ONE WORD of your post 'beeorganic', I'd be willing to eternally live with the shame of having mascaraded as a 'right-whatever'.

I take it back, there is one sentence in there over which I am torn, and clearly undecided!?!?!?

Eventhough the rest 'mirrors' perfectly, I can't bring myself to believe that you could be a HANNITY fan!!!

I mean all mirror work aside, the whole Hannity fan thing just doesn't wash out.

You can put complete sentences together!
Your thoughts, whether one agrees with you or not, are coherent to a certain extent!
You are capable of sarcasm!!!

It's just a statistical impossibility! Your normal IQ simply washes out everything HANNITY!!!

OK you might have been influenced by the dark side, who knows, cultural up-bringing, and the whole affective dependency thing, but not to the extent of being a HANNITY DIE-HARD!!!

Please tell me it ain't so 'Sean'?!?!?


p.s.: you are aware of mirror I hope!?!?!



You mean to tell me that you're really one of my liberal friends in disguise? So your posts were some form of loyalty test for me? I think I understand now. I really hope I passed the liberal litmus test. I renounced that total tard Bush and all Republicans/conservatives already. I've spoken out against any and all things they stand for. Blame them for all current and future woes of the world. What can I do to make you and other of my new liberal buddies believe me? We believed Mayor Maron Barry of Washington D.C. when he said he was set up by re-electing him after he was convicted. We believed and then forgave Bill Clinton when he lied under oath by not removing him from office. I forgive you for lying to me about being a "right-whatever" and being judgemental/hypercritial of my posts.

Sean Hannity? That empty suit at FIX news? The parrot that sat on Bush's shoulder? Oh, I get it now laugh . It was just a joke to see how I would react comparing me to that rePUNKblican mouthpiece. Did I react emotionally enough? I need the validation from others like yourself to feel better about myself.

"You can put complete sentences together!"
"Your thoughts, whether one agrees with you or not, are coherent to a certain extent!"
"You are capable of sarcasm!!!"

I can't can't apologize enough for above list of my shortcomings. I'm very sorry sad ! I know (and have seen) may of our fellow liberal friends have a difficult time with spelling and sentence structure here. As not to make them feel sad and inferior I will work on lowering my typing skeells. In the name of fairness and for the sake of equality, I can try also promise to try to make less sense in coherent more often. Can I at least cut and paste really long stories that support my devotion to liberal beliefs to make myself at least appear smarter than I really am? Or really short posts with a ton of emoticons? Once again, I'm really sorry! I just want to fit in and be accepted by my neo-liberal family. My sarcasm is now exclusively reserved for my Repubimicile enemies only. Any neo-conservative, skin head Bush lover better watch out. I will give him/her a strong symbolic verbal thrashing the likes Clarence Thomas has never seen.

To show solidarity (like in a union) with my liberal bretheren in the burining desire to fit in, I have just cancelled my MENSA membership in protest. That'll show them to act all smart and stuff. I know as a liberal, I should "know thy enemy", but I haven't been able to find out what Sean Hannity's IQ is yet, maybe someone could help me find out? Please? Pretty please?

I've freely admitted that I was under the influence of "the dark side" at one time. I've broken the spell and need... Nay, entitled for other liberals to accept and embrace me as one of their own.

Lastly, my real name isn't even close to "Sean". Keeping with my Roman heritage, love of Latin, and my liberal beliefs and sensitivity, I'm changing from my Christian slave name to the Greek name "Rectus Kissius". Kinda like what "Prince" (the pop singer) did changing his name to some kind of symbol.

P.S. Obama lied, innocent people in Pakistan died


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Fri 01/30/09 09:25 PM

"The town, a known Taliban and Al Qaeda hub, is also the main stomping ground of Maulvi Nazir, a key Taliban commander accused by the United States of recruiting and sending fighters to Afghanistan to attack US and NATO forces.

Soon after the blast, electricity went down and the area was plunged into darkness, as Taliban militants sealed off the attack site, officials said.

The first missile strike killed five foreign militants just outside Mir Ali, in North Waziristan at 5:10 pm (1210 GMT), a security official told AFP.

"A militant den was successfully destroyed. At least five foreign Al-Qaeda militants were killed and three locals but there was no immediate confirmation of any high value target," a security official said.

The house belonged to tribesman and Taliban sympathiser Khalil Dawar. The identities of the three dead locals were not immediately known."

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Fri 01/30/09 09:49 PM

"The town, a known Taliban and Al Qaeda hub, is also the main stomping ground of Maulvi Nazir, a key Taliban commander accused by the United States of recruiting and sending fighters to Afghanistan to attack US and NATO forces.

Soon after the blast, electricity went down and the area was plunged into darkness, as Taliban militants sealed off the attack site, officials said.

The first missile strike killed five foreign militants just outside Mir Ali, in North Waziristan at 5:10 pm (1210 GMT), a security official told AFP.

"A militant den was successfully destroyed. At least five foreign Al-Qaeda militants were killed and three locals but there was no immediate confirmation of any high value target," a security official said.

The house belonged to tribesman and Taliban sympathiser Khalil Dawar. The identities of the three dead locals were not immediately known."


I know you've repeatedly have said "I have nothing to say" to me; However, I still would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your outstanding particiption on this topic. I keep saying to myself "nobody cuts and pastes as good as Winx". My compliments! It is a lovely, very informative, story indeed. Could you be a real dear and post the source, date, and the evidence backing up the claims it was a Taliban and Al Qaeda hub? Who were the "officials" that were quoted? Thanks hon, you're a sweetie! drinker drinker drinker drinker drinker drinker drinker drinker

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Fri 01/30/09 09:50 PM
Edited by Winx on Fri 01/30/09 09:58 PM


"The town, a known Taliban and Al Qaeda hub, is also the main stomping ground of Maulvi Nazir, a key Taliban commander accused by the United States of recruiting and sending fighters to Afghanistan to attack US and NATO forces.

Soon after the blast, electricity went down and the area was plunged into darkness, as Taliban militants sealed off the attack site, officials said.

The first missile strike killed five foreign militants just outside Mir Ali, in North Waziristan at 5:10 pm (1210 GMT), a security official told AFP.

"A militant den was successfully destroyed. At least five foreign Al-Qaeda militants were killed and three locals but there was no immediate confirmation of any high value target," a security official said.

The house belonged to tribesman and Taliban sympathiser Khalil Dawar. The identities of the three dead locals were not immediately known."


I know you've repeatedly have said "I have nothing to say" to me; However, I still would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your outstanding particiption on this topic. I keep saying to myself "nobody cuts and pastes as good as Winx". My compliments! It is a lovely, very informative, story indeed. Could you be a real dear and post the source, date, and the evidence backing up the claims it was a Taliban and Al Qaeda hub? Who were the "officials" that were quoted? Thanks hon, you're a sweetie! drinker drinker drinker drinker drinker drinker drinker drinker



I rarely cut and paste. huh

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090123/wl_afp/pakistanafghanistanunrestusmissilehouse_20090123193140

My point is that all of them weren't so innocent.

Two times of saying what I said does not equal repeatedly.

I do not care to speak with people that talk down to others.





Seakolony's photo
Fri 01/30/09 09:55 PM
Edited by Seakolony on Fri 01/30/09 10:09 PM
no apparent reason does not mean no reason now does it, just bcs it isnt apparent to the media which it is not supposed to be in order to keep military intelligence private as it should be it is military intelligence not public knowledge intelligence think above yourself and selfish agendas

No Immediate Confirmation definition - was not able to confirm with the military bcs as we speak we and they are duck shells, bombs, watching for booby traps that may or may not kill us as well as children in the area. There has been death and oppression in the middle east for generations. We did not start it, it has always been, killing each other instead of choosing peace. Will the fighting continue destroying all the beauty in its path of destruction.

I have not heard one person that chose passage into the US say they weren't happy to be here.....

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Fri 01/30/09 10:25 PM
Thanks for the link hon! I stand corrected. After reading the article I should compliment you on a fantastic job of selective editing. drinker

You left out little things like "...US drones on Friday slammed into PRESUMED militant dens in Pakistan killing 15 people, including three children and at least four civilians, officials said".

"A senior security official told AFP three children were among the dead."

Obama the babykiller. "Hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today"? Obama baby count is now 3.

"Pakistan has repeatedly protested to Washington that drone strikes violate its territorial sovereignty and deepen resentment among the 160 million people of the nuclear-armed Islamic nation". Violation of international law.

"As you know I am not going to comment on those matters," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs told reporters despite being repeatedly pressed to discuss the reports". So much for an open/transparent government.

I really could kiss you right now Winx- for finding me a source to validate my earlier allegations. You are really a dear! Thank you, thank you, thank you! smooched smooched smooched smooched smooched smooched smooched smooched smooched





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Fri 01/30/09 10:27 PM
rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

Winx's photo
Fri 01/30/09 10:44 PM
Edited by Winx on Fri 01/30/09 10:47 PM

Thanks for the link hon! I stand corrected. After reading the article I should compliment you on a fantastic job of selective editing. drinker

You left out little things like "...US drones on Friday slammed into PRESUMED militant dens in Pakistan killing 15 people, including three children and at least four civilians, officials said".

"A senior security official told AFP three children were among the dead."

Obama the babykiller. "Hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today"? Obama baby count is now 3.

"Pakistan has repeatedly protested to Washington that drone strikes violate its territorial sovereignty and deepen resentment among the 160 million people of the nuclear-armed Islamic nation". Violation of international law.

"As you know I am not going to comment on those matters," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs told reporters despite being repeatedly pressed to discuss the reports". So much for an open/transparent government.

I really could kiss you right now Winx- for finding me a source to validate my earlier allegations. You are really a dear! Thank you, thank you, thank you! smooched smooched smooched smooched smooched smooched smooched smooched smooched




I only took out the part that told about the ones that weren't innocent. That was the information that I was presenting. We already know about the innocent ones. Was that difficult for you to figure out?slaphead





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Fri 01/30/09 10:59 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Fri 01/30/09 11:03 PM


You can not just wothdrawl and let them crash and burn....and if we just pull out, we will open the world up to even more attacks than what is going on right now.

Whether we agree or not with what was started, it must be finished in order to protect against further travosties from occuring around the world. Did everyone expect the change in government would just stop what has already begun???

The democrats stated even before the election the it would be difficult to withdrwal w/o opening up the world to further terroristic attacks and tactics....and do you think that the people that have suffered due to our attacks against removing the genecide and terrorism in their country, should be left to pick up the pieces, starve and undergo abuse and endure terroristic attacks upon their country and people just bcs we pull out??? Where is the humanitarianism in that???


Sure we can just withdrawl our military personel from every country we currently occupy or have a miltary presence in and bring them home. Just pack up our toys of death/destruction and leave like we did in Vietnam. Has Vietnam attacked us since we left? Nope. It's not our job to serve as the world's police force, that's the UN's responsibility. Some of these other glorious super powers like China, Russia, and France can help. I know Hugo Chavez would chip in. Obama just has to swallow is pride and ask for help is all, instead of continuing the failed "lone wolf" policies of that brain dead Bush.

There is no way we can win this conflict because it's already lost. (according to Senator and leader of the senate Harry Reid). They are just preying on our fears now. Bin Laden said he wouldn't attack us anymore if we got out of the middle east. We're giving Obama a chance, I think like it's only fair that we give Bin Laden a chance too.

Every day we stay where we are not wanted or needed is one more day we put at risk the lives of our military troops. We could leave and instead of dropping bombs we could drop food, medical supplies, and things to help them rebuild their country. Just let them fill out a list of what all they need. Look at this way, it might help our economy by employing people to help fill and deliver all the things on that list. Let the Iraqi's keep their oil, we don't need it. Obama himself said we need to start learning to live with less.



Beorganic....

What an oxymoron considering you have more artificial qualities than a painted landscape and flip flop more than John McCain during a campaign.

When you and your "life-partner" adopt your children feel free to name them after as many soft drinks as you two fellows want.
Better a soft drink than a shrub I guess, but its your gentlemen's freedom to name them anything you chose..
P.S.
Please if the child decides to enter politics dont give them any advice....laugh laugh laugh laugh

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Fri 01/30/09 11:21 PM


I only took out the part that told about the ones that weren't innocent. That was the information that I was presenting. We already know about the innocent ones. Was that difficult for you to figure out?slaphead



How do we know they all weren't innocent is what I'm asking? We don't. I don't recall reading about a trial that had proved them guilty by a jury of their peers based on a preponderance of the evidence before executing them. Do you? Taking the lives of the PRESUMED guilty along with the innocent? I'm sorry but it's just a little flippant to shrug ones shoulders and say "Oh, well... they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time". Where is the humanity? The compassion for our fellow human beings?

Winx's photo
Fri 01/30/09 11:27 PM



I only took out the part that told about the ones that weren't innocent. That was the information that I was presenting. We already know about the innocent ones. Was that difficult for you to figure out?slaphead



How do we know they all weren't innocent is what I'm asking? We don't. I don't recall reading about a trial that had proved them guilty by a jury of their peers based on a preponderance of the evidence before executing them. Do you? Taking the lives of the PRESUMED guilty along with the innocent? I'm sorry but it's just a little flippant to shrug ones shoulders and say "Oh, well... they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time". Where is the humanity? The compassion for our fellow human beings?


I care. I hate all that's going on over there with the civilians and children getting killed.

I was just pointing out that they got some Al-Qaeda militants. That makes it not "all innocent".

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Sat 01/31/09 03:24 AM




Beorganic....

What an oxymoron considering you have more artificial qualities than a painted landscape and flip flop more than John McCain during a campaign.

When you and your "life-partner" adopt your children feel free to name them after as many soft drinks as you two fellows want.
Better a soft drink than a shrub I guess, but its your gentlemen's freedom to name them anything you chose..
P.S.
Please if the child decides to enter politics dont give them any advice....laugh laugh laugh laugh


Fanta46,

That was a mean spirited personal attack on BeeOrganic. You are not being very nice.


Seakolony's photo
Sat 01/31/09 03:44 AM
Unfortunately with war comes death, with a greater world to a harmonious effort, it is unfortunate, but they brought death not just here but, India and any friend of the US, but the UN will not stand up for others, they won't bcs they know we will not allow oppression or genocide. Let me ask you what the US means to the Jewish?

I can't believe you said that. We are not out of this yet. Let us see what he does. He did not back down, and maybe he won't. Maybe he will continue the restructuring of Iraq. The division of the USSR, every Russian, Romanian, and Czechoslovakian that I have met love the US and remain grateful to have the opportunity to be here. Every Indian, every Hispanic legal or no wish to live here and they will tell you so. They are happy to be free of oppression, and I have heard the stories from their lips and what they endured. And no man, woman, or child would I wish that upon, ever!!!!! The United States Of America will not bow its head and walk away from the genocide committed under Hussein. It was absolute genocide and villainous efforts rule through terror and torture of fellow human beings. Disgusting and completely immoral!!! The United States started by our ancestors each and every blessed soul the English, the Irish, the German, Italians, Greeks and Asians every new generation brings forth more nationalities and identities that are defining a future for this nation and shall rise up into control of the future a myriad of nations moving forth as one.

And yes we are wanted there.....soldiers will tell you. The news won't but soldiers will.

no photo
Sat 01/31/09 04:27 AM
anyone who takes what the news says to heart is crazy. They twist everything around, to fit their own criteria which is, MONEY MONEY MONEY. Most of the world loves the U.S. We do so much for other countries, and if we can't do it, we set it up so other counties can.
By the way ask the people of Iraq who are voting today how they feel about the U.S.

no photo
Sat 01/31/09 07:21 AM
Edited by voileazur on Sat 01/31/09 07:23 AM



Time out!!!

If I could only bring myself to believe one sentence, ONE WORD of your post 'beeorganic', I'd be willing to eternally live with the shame of having mascaraded as a 'right-whatever'.

I take it back, there is one sentence in there over which I am torn, and clearly undecided!?!?!?

Eventhough the rest 'mirrors' perfectly, I can't bring myself to believe that you could be a HANNITY fan!!!

I mean all mirror work aside, the whole Hannity fan thing just doesn't wash out.

You can put complete sentences together!
Your thoughts, whether one agrees with you or not, are coherent to a certain extent!
You are capable of sarcasm!!!

It's just a statistical impossibility! Your normal IQ simply washes out everything HANNITY!!!

OK you might have been influenced by the dark side, who knows, cultural up-bringing, and the whole affective dependency thing, but not to the extent of being a HANNITY DIE-HARD!!!

Please tell me it ain't so 'Sean'?!?!?


p.s.: you are aware of mirror I hope!?!?!



You mean to tell me that you're really one of my liberal friends in disguise? So your posts were some form of loyalty test for me? I think I understand now. I really hope I passed the liberal litmus test. I renounced that total tard Bush and all Republicans/conservatives already. I've spoken out against any and all things they stand for. Blame them for all current and future woes of the world. What can I do to make you and other of my new liberal buddies believe me? We believed Mayor Maron Barry of Washington D.C. when he said he was set up by re-electing him after he was convicted. We believed and then forgave Bill Clinton when he lied under oath by not removing him from office. I forgive you for lying to me about being a "right-whatever" and being judgemental/hypercritial of my posts.

Sean Hannity? That empty suit at FIX news? The parrot that sat on Bush's shoulder? Oh, I get it now laugh . It was just a joke to see how I would react comparing me to that rePUNKblican mouthpiece. Did I react emotionally enough? I need the validation from others like yourself to feel better about myself.

"You can put complete sentences together!"
"Your thoughts, whether one agrees with you or not, are coherent to a certain extent!"
"You are capable of sarcasm!!!"

I can't can't apologize enough for above list of my shortcomings. I'm very sorry sad ! I know (and have seen) may of our fellow liberal friends have a difficult time with spelling and sentence structure here. As not to make them feel sad and inferior I will work on lowering my typing skeells. In the name of fairness and for the sake of equality, I can try also promise to try to make less sense in coherent more often. Can I at least cut and paste really long stories that support my devotion to liberal beliefs to make myself at least appear smarter than I really am? Or really short posts with a ton of emoticons? Once again, I'm really sorry! I just want to fit in and be accepted by my neo-liberal family. My sarcasm is now exclusively reserved for my Repubimicile enemies only. Any neo-conservative, skin head Bush lover better watch out. I will give him/her a strong symbolic verbal thrashing the likes Clarence Thomas has never seen.

To show solidarity (like in a union) with my liberal bretheren in the burining desire to fit in, I have just cancelled my MENSA membership in protest. That'll show them to act all smart and stuff. I know as a liberal, I should "know thy enemy", but I haven't been able to find out what Sean Hannity's IQ is yet, maybe someone could help me find out? Please? Pretty please?

I've freely admitted that I was under the influence of "the dark side" at one time. I've broken the spell and need... Nay, entitled for other liberals to accept and embrace me as one of their own.

Lastly, my real name isn't even close to "Sean". Keeping with my Roman heritage, love of Latin, and my liberal beliefs and sensitivity, I'm changing from my Christian slave name to the Greek name "Rectus Kissius". Kinda like what "Prince" (the pop singer) did changing his name to some kind of symbol.

P.S. Obama lied, innocent people in Pakistan died




HUMMM! A bit slow on this whole exchange 'bee'!

As for the 'Sean' thing, the jig is up!

Your slip is showing!!!

You definitely are an 'undercover fan'!!!

First you wrote in the post above that you trying to find 'Hannity's' IQ?!?!?!

MODERATE CONSERVATIVES, ALL LIBERALS, AND INDEPENDENTS KNOW BETTER THAN TO LOOK FOR ANY TRACE OF IQ IN 'HANNITY'!!!

Would you look for a warm sandy beach in the North Pole??? (answering in the near future doesn't count!!!)

Secondly, and while you won't admit it again, you have changed your name, purposely reversed the latin tail and head it, and simply left your middle name out to maintain your undercover rig going. It is sooooo obvious :

Your undercover is blown and your true identity now permeates the public domain:

Come out of the closet and reveal yourself to the world as you are 'KISSIUS 'SEAN' RECTUS' !!!






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Sat 01/31/09 08:32 AM
I can't believe that Obama...the hope of the whole world...would allow this shameful act, sending that missle into that house with little ole pakistani men sitting around having a discussion on how to bring peace to the world... Not on his watch!!

Fanta46's photo
Sat 01/31/09 09:45 AM
Why? Dont you read the news?


Obama warns Pakistan on al-Qaeda
Wednesday, 1 August 2007, 19:47 GMT 20:47 UK

Mr Obama made the comments in a speech outlining his foreign policy positions.

Pakistan's foreign ministry said any threat to act against al-Qaeda from within its territory should not be used for political point-scoring.

Earlier this month, Mr Obama's chief rival, Hillary Clinton, described him as "naive" on foreign policy.

The attack from Mrs Clinton came after a televised debate between Democrat presidential hopefuls.

During the debate Mr Obama said he would be willing to meet leaders of states such as Cuba, North Korea and Iran without conditions.

In his speech at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars, in Washington, Mr Obama criticised the Bush administration's focus on al-Qaeda in Iraq, saying US President George W Bush was "confusing" the mission.

He said Americans were more vulnerable to terrorist attacks than before the 9/11 attacks because of a war in Iraq "that should never have been authorised and should never have been waged".

"The first step must be getting off the wrong battlefield in Iraq, and taking the fight to the terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan," he said.

Aid conditions

Mr Obama said General Pervez Musharraf, Pakistan's president, must do more to end terrorist operations in his country.

He said he would make the hundreds of millions of dollars in US military aid to Pakistan conditional on the following actions by the Pakistani government:

substantial progress in closing down terrorist training camps
evict foreign fighters
prevent the Taleban from using Pakistan as staging area for attacks in Afghanistan
"It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al-Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005," he said, referring to reports that the US had decided not to launch a strike for fear of harming ties with Pakistan.
"If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will," Mr Obama said.



The BBC's Jonathan Beale, in Washington, says such comments are clearly designed to bolster his credentials among a domestic audience.

But a spokeswoman for Pakistan's foreign ministry, Tasnim Aslam, told the AFP news agency that talk of military action was a serious matter and political candidates and commentators should "show responsibility".

White House spokesman Tony Snow defended Pakistan's leadership, saying it was working hard to fight al-Qaeda and Taleban fighters within its borders.

Gen Musharraf has been a key US ally in its so-called "war on terror" since the 11 September 2001 terrorist attacks.

But US officials have publicly said recently that they believe Pakistan has let al-Qaeda and Taleban militants reorganise themselves in tribal areas bordering Afghanistan.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6926663.stm

Funny how he continues to do exactly what he said he would.
Finally a President who says what he means and does what he says.

You go Mr.. President. Take the war to those who attacked us!





Delsoldamien's photo
Sat 01/31/09 10:08 AM

Why? Dont you read the news?


Obama warns Pakistan on al-Qaeda
Wednesday, 1 August 2007, 19:47 GMT 20:47 UK

Mr Obama made the comments in a speech outlining his foreign policy positions.

Pakistan's foreign ministry said any threat to act against al-Qaeda from within its territory should not be used for political point-scoring.

Earlier this month, Mr Obama's chief rival, Hillary Clinton, described him as "naive" on foreign policy.

The attack from Mrs Clinton came after a televised debate between Democrat presidential hopefuls.

During the debate Mr Obama said he would be willing to meet leaders of states such as Cuba, North Korea and Iran without conditions.

In his speech at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars, in Washington, Mr Obama criticised the Bush administration's focus on al-Qaeda in Iraq, saying US President George W Bush was "confusing" the mission.

He said Americans were more vulnerable to terrorist attacks than before the 9/11 attacks because of a war in Iraq "that should never have been authorised and should never have been waged".

"The first step must be getting off the wrong battlefield in Iraq, and taking the fight to the terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan," he said.

Aid conditions

Mr Obama said General Pervez Musharraf, Pakistan's president, must do more to end terrorist operations in his country.

He said he would make the hundreds of millions of dollars in US military aid to Pakistan conditional on the following actions by the Pakistani government:

substantial progress in closing down terrorist training camps
evict foreign fighters
prevent the Taleban from using Pakistan as staging area for attacks in Afghanistan
"It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al-Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005," he said, referring to reports that the US had decided not to launch a strike for fear of harming ties with Pakistan.
"If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will," Mr Obama said.



The BBC's Jonathan Beale, in Washington, says such comments are clearly designed to bolster his credentials among a domestic audience.

But a spokeswoman for Pakistan's foreign ministry, Tasnim Aslam, told the AFP news agency that talk of military action was a serious matter and political candidates and commentators should "show responsibility".

White House spokesman Tony Snow defended Pakistan's leadership, saying it was working hard to fight al-Qaeda and Taleban fighters within its borders.

Gen Musharraf has been a key US ally in its so-called "war on terror" since the 11 September 2001 terrorist attacks.

But US officials have publicly said recently that they believe Pakistan has let al-Qaeda and Taleban militants reorganise themselves in tribal areas bordering Afghanistan.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6926663.stm

Funny how he continues to do exactly what he said he would.
Finally a President who says what he means and does what he says.

You go Mr.. President. Take the war to those who attacked us!







But to attack a soverign nation pre-emptively is against the UN and international laws... besides, these men don't pose any threat to us..they are sitting in little huts in the mountains..not on the shores of the USA.. Looks like your guy is following in the footsteps of that guy you hated so much before him...

Yeah and he really followed through on his campaing promises and does what he says...no lobbiests, he has two...most ethical administration..he has two tax evaders for his choices for leadership positions..tax breaks for the poor...they don't even pay income taxes.. and he is just getting started...

Winx's photo
Sat 01/31/09 10:10 AM
Edited by Winx on Sat 01/31/09 10:13 AM
Since when don't the poor pay taxes?

They pay taxes on their income. They pay sales tax, personal property tax, and they pay real estate taxes if they own a home. They still pay real estate taxes if they rent too. The owner includes it in the rent cost.