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Topic: Why I believe In God.
Seamonster Joined Mon 11/03/08 Posts: 902	Fri 01/23/09 02:14 AM Edited by Seamonster on Fri 01/23/09 02:24 AM
" God makes sense of the origin of the universe. Have you ever asked yourself where the universe came from? Why everything exists instead of just nothing? "Nubby" ..if you say that the universe couldn't have just pop out of nothingness and therefore have to had been created then do the same logic apply to the existence of God ... if not then could you explain in a brief synopsis rationally why not ... There must be a fist cause, the cosmological argument asks for anything that BEGINS to exist must have a cause. double post

Seamonster Joined Mon 11/03/08 Posts: 902	Fri 01/23/09 02:23 AM Edited by Seamonster on Fri 01/23/09 02:25 AM
" God makes sense of the origin of the universe. Have you ever asked yourself where the universe came from? Why everything exists instead of just nothing? "Nubby" ..if you say that the universe couldn't have just pop out of nothingness and therefore have to had been created then do the same logic apply to the existence of God ... if not then could you explain in a brief synopsis rationally why not ... There must be a fist cause, the cosmological argument asks for anything that BEGINS to exist must have a cause. Whats the BEGINNING cause of God? If everything that begins must have a cause then what caused god? And even if the universe had a cause, that cause did not have to be a god. So it proves nothing.

MahanMahan Joined Wed 01/21/09 Posts: 5844	Fri 01/23/09 03:33 AM
God is as real as the Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny and Santa Clause. "And then Man created God in his own image..." If there is a god though, he should be put on trial and be held accountable for all the misery and pain that has been inflicted on mankind throughout our pathetic existance here on Earth. And here are some quotes from other folks who see it as I do: "When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion." - Robert Pirsig "I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world." - Richard Dawkins "I distrust those people who know so well what god wants them to do because I notice that it always coincides with their own desires." -Susan B. Anthony "Believing there is no God gives me more room for belief in family, people, love, truth, beauty, sex, Jell-o, and all the other things I can prove and that make this life the best life I will ever have." - Penn Jillette

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Fri 01/23/09 05:33 AM
There is no "proof" that Jesus rose from anywhere. There is nothing to substantiate the premise behind reanimation of dead flesh. There is some evidence to indicate that they simply went back to the wrong tomb. All those caves looked similar and people have been known to make mistakes.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 01/23/09 05:44 AM
The argument of a First Cause is logically flawed, where did you study philosophy? You believe in g-d as an individual phenomenological experience from what I can gather. this is how most people come to believe in g-d. Not everyone believes in the Xian g-d. I agree ...first cause can only apply to that which existence is not questionable ... God's existence rely on faith and is therefore questionable which is why first cause cannot be applied Is Premise 1 correct? "Nubby" you are assuming the universe has a cause when it could simply be an end result that have no further use for example ...the end results of a cigarette is ashes but the ashes existence was not that of cause and the ashes supply no benefit to the cigarette it's creator but yet the ashes existence are not questionable ...God's existence is questionable which is why first cause in the case of God existence implies delusion or need not cause which means your belief in God is not because of cause but because of need and/or delusion

Nubby Joined Wed 01/07/09 Posts: 648	Fri 01/23/09 05:49 AM
" God makes sense of the origin of the universe. Have you ever asked yourself where the universe came from? Why everything exists instead of just nothing? "Nubby" ..if you say that the universe couldn't have just pop out of nothingness and therefore have to had been created then do the same logic apply to the existence of God ... if not then could you explain in a brief synopsis rationally why not ... There must be a fist cause, the cosmological argument asks for anything that BEGINS to exist must have a cause. double post God by definition is uncaused, timeless, changeless. Premise #1 calls for everything that begins to exist.

Jill298 Joined Fri 11/09/07 Posts: 16316	Fri 01/23/09 05:49 AM
If the bible was written now, instead of then, we would all think Jesus was a crack pot. In the times that the bible was written, everyone blamed everything on God / Gods. Gods for thunder, rain, ruled the ocean, fertility, love, etc etc. The simply had no way else to explain anything that happened. When the storms came in, the Gods were angry. When a drought came, which caused famine, someone must have pissed off the Gods. So why is it that you have all decided all of these other Gods are myths except this one?

Nubby Joined Wed 01/07/09 Posts: 648	Fri 01/23/09 05:50 AM
There is no "proof" that Jesus rose from anywhere. There is nothing to substantiate the premise behind reanimation of dead flesh. There is some evidence to indicate that they simply went back to the wrong tomb. All those caves looked similar and people have been known to make mistakes. The best explanation for the four facts I presented is Jesus rose from the dead.

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Fri 01/23/09 05:52 AM
That was all refuted from what I recall on another thread.

Seamonster Joined Mon 11/03/08 Posts: 902	Fri 01/23/09 05:53 AM
There is no "proof" that Jesus rose from anywhere. There is nothing to substantiate the premise behind reanimation of dead flesh. There is some evidence to indicate that they simply went back to the wrong tomb. All those caves looked similar and people have been known to make mistakes. The best explanation for the four facts I presented is Jesus rose from the dead. you presented 4 opinions they were not facts.

Nubby Joined Wed 01/07/09 Posts: 648	Fri 01/23/09 05:56 AM
That was all refuted from what I recall on another thread. No it was not. A video was pulled up from you tube that most people pry do not understand. I cant respond to that video, I will leave that to the scholars who defend the argument.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 01/23/09 05:56 AM
God by definition is uncaused, timeless, changeless. Premise #1 calls for everything that begins to exist. "Nubby" ...a definition of something doesn't prove existence.... you're not debating.. you're preaching it appears your first cause is the "google cut and paste" for the bible

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Fri 01/23/09 06:00 AM
That was all refuted from what I recall on another thread. No it was not. A video was pulled up from you tube that most people pry do not understand. I cant respond to that video, I will leave that to the scholars who defend the argument. That sounds like a cop out.

Nubby Joined Wed 01/07/09 Posts: 648	Fri 01/23/09 06:04 AM
I like taco argument that krimsa presented. I am going to start to use that.

Nubby Joined Wed 01/07/09 Posts: 648	Fri 01/23/09 06:05 AM
That was all refuted from what I recall on another thread. No it was not. A video was pulled up from you tube that most people pry do not understand. I cant respond to that video, I will leave that to the scholars who defend the argument. That sounds like a cop out. May be so, I am not a scholar.

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Fri 01/23/09 06:06 AM
I like taco argument that krimsa presented. I am going to start to use that. Whats the taco argument? The Jesus profile in the tortilla you mean? Yeah, that has not been refuted by anyone yet. Especially when they draw that line in case you missed the Jesus profile.

Nubby Joined Wed 01/07/09 Posts: 648	Fri 01/23/09 06:07 AM
God by definition is uncaused, timeless, changeless. Premise #1 calls for everything that begins to exist. "Nubby" ...a definition of something doesn't prove existence.... you're not debating.. you're preaching it appears your first cause is the "google cut and paste" for the bible God does not apply to the argument because by definition He is uncaused.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 01/23/09 06:09 AM
I like taco argument that krimsa presented. I am going to start to use that. "Nubby" that may be the problem ..you keep using everyone's argument but your own come on ...use your own thoughts...it's scary at first ...but you gotta have faith ...oops I meant go for it

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 01/23/09 06:12 AM
God by definition is uncaused, timeless, changeless. Premise #1 calls for everything that begins to exist. "Nubby" ...a definition of something doesn't prove existence.... you're not debating.. you're preaching it appears your first cause is the "google cut and paste" for the bible God does not apply to the argument because by definition He is uncaused. God is not uncause ...God is unprovable before you can say that God has a first cause or God is uncause ...you would first have to prove God existence ....do the tooth fairy have first cause also

Nubby Joined Wed 01/07/09 Posts: 648	Fri 01/23/09 06:25 AM
I like taco argument that krimsa presented. I am going to start to use that. "Nubby" that may be the problem ..you keep using everyone's argument but your own come on ...use your own thoughts...it's scary at first ...but you gotta have faith ...oops I meant go for it Why dont we talk about the argument. I use scholarship to strengthen my faith, there is nothing wrong with that.