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The argument of a First Cause is logically flawed, where did you study philosophy? You believe in g-d as an individual phenomenological experience from what I can gather. this is how most people come to believe in g-d. Not everyone believes in the Xian g-d.
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The argument of a First Cause is logically flawed, where did you study philosophy? You believe in g-d as an individual phenomenological experience from what I can gather. this is how most people come to believe in g-d. Not everyone believes in the Xian g-d. I agree ...first cause can only apply to that which existence is not questionable ... God's existence rely on faith and is therefore questionable which is why first cause cannot be applied |
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They have found the profile of Jesus in a tortilla in Mexico. So there.   I thought I saw Jesus on TV! It turned out to be George Carlin. George Carlin made his career virtually from making fun of the Catholic Church. He was raised Catholic.  I think they are honestly taking some liberties there with that line outlining the profile. I don’t see the face of Jesus at all. I’m very disappointed. |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Yamin,
Pantheism is a belief that God is in everything. It makes god an abstract concept instead of a personalized deity that meddles and is involved in the affairs of humans like the Christians believe. It doesn’t really distinguish between the universe, or nature, or god and they are viewed as equivalents. |
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22. Fact # 1: On the Sunday following his crucifixion, Jesus' tomb was found empty by a group of his women followers. According to Jacob Kremer, an Austrian scholar who has specialized in the study of the resurrection, "By far most scholars hold firmly to the reliability of the Biblical statements about the empty tomb."{14} According to the New Testament critic, D.H. van Daalen, it is extremely difficult to object to the empty tomb on historical grounds; those who deny it do so on the basis of theological or philosophical assumptions. 23. Fact # 2: On separate occasions different individuals and groups saw appearances of Jesus alive after his death. According to the prominent, skeptical German New Testament critic Gerd Ludemann, "It may be taken as historically certain that...the disciples had experiences after Jesus' death in which Jesus appeared to them as the risen Christ."{15} These appearances were witnessed not only by believers, but also by unbelievers, skeptics, and even enemies. 24. Fact # 3: The original disciples suddenly came to believe in the resurrection of Jesus despite having every predisposition to the contrary. Jews had no belief in a dying, much less a rising, Messiah, and Jewish beliefs about the afterlife precluded anyone's rising from the dead prior to the end of the world. Luke Johnson, a New Testament scholar at Emory University, muses, "Some sort of powerful, transformative experience is required to generate the sort of movement earliest Christianity was..."{16} N. T. Wright, an eminent British scholar, concludes, "That is why, as an historian, I cannot explain the rise of early Christianity unless Jesus rose again, leaving an empty tomb behind him."{17} On the first page you asked Abra for his best argument. If you can support the above FACTS with anything historical, other than scripture, one might attempt to argue. Until then, your FACTS are not fact accredited. Arguing over over something invalid is futile attempt to pass time that might be spent learning something more beneficial. |
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On the first page you asked Abra for his best argument. If you can support the above FACTS with anything historical, other than scripture, one might attempt to argue. Until then, your FACTS are not fact accredited. Arguing over over something invalid is futile attempt to pass time that might be spent learning something more beneficial. But mommy, it says right on page 18 that the Big Bad Wolf ate Little Red Riding Hood! How can you argue with that? 
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THE PROOF THAT JESUS ROSE AGAIN ....
AND THAT JESUS OUR REDEEEMER LIVES... IS THIS: THIS RISEN SAVIOUR NOW LIVES IN THE BELIEVERS'S HEARTS.    AND YOU TOO...PRECIOUS PEOPLE HERE..... CAN HAVE THIS SAME PROOF ..... WHICH, BTW, WILL BE THE ONLY PROOF YOU WILL EVER EVER NEED.... THAT OUR REDEEMER TRULY LIVES ... WHEN YOU TOO... ASK THIS RISEN SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST... INTO YOUR HEARTS TOO.
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THE PROOF THAT JESUS ROSE AGAIN .... AND THAT JESUS OUR REDEEEMER LIVES... IS THIS: THIS RISEN SAVIOUR NOW LIVES IN THE BELIEVERS'S HEARTS. AND YOU TOO...PRECIOUS PEOPLE HERE..... CAN HAVE THIS SAME PROOF ..... WHICH, BTW, WILL BE THE ONLY PROOF YOU WILL EVER EVER NEED.... THAT OUR REDEEMER TRULY LIVES ... WHEN YOU TOO... ASK THIS RISEN SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST... INTO YOUR HEARTS TOO.
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Edited by
Abracadabra
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Thu 01/22/09 08:44 PM
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YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT MORNINGSONG... WE CREATE OUR OWN IMAGE OF GOD... THE GOD I HAVE CREATED LIVES IN MY HEART... THE GOD YOU HAVE CREATED LIVES IN YOUR HEART... THIS IS WHERE GOD HAS ALWAYS BEEN... THOSE WHO NEED REDEEMED CREATE A REDEEMER... THOSE WHO ARE PURE OF HEART CREATE LOVE... THERE IS NO NEED TO PROVE ANYTHING... THERE IS NO NEED TO RAM BIGOTRY DOWN THE THROATS OF OTHERS IN THE NAME OF ANY GOD... I LOVE GOD AS I KNOW GOD... YOU LOVE GOD AS YOU KNOW GOD... AND THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS... NO NEED TO JUDGE ANOTHER... AND NOW FOR SOME MUSIC TO MAKE LOVE WITH GOD... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.csonline.net/designer/ideas/peace.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~   |
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YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT MORNINGSONG... WE CREATE OUR OWN IMAGE OF GOD... THE GOD I HAVE CREATED LIVES IN MY HEART... THE GOD YOU HAVE CREATED LIVES IN YOUR HEART... THIS IS WHERE GOD HAS ALWAYS BEEN... THOSE WHO NEED REDEEMED CREATE A REDEEMER... THOSE WHO ARE PURE OF HEART CREATE LOVE... THERE IS NO NEED TO PROVE ANYTHING... THERE IS NO NEED TO RAM BIGOTRY DOWN THE THROATS OF OTHERS IN THE NAME OF ANY GOD... I LOVE GOD AS I KNOW GOD... YOU LOVE GOD AS YOU KNOW GOD... AND THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS... NO NEED TO JUDGE ANOTHER... AND NOW FOR SOME MUSIC TO MAKE LOVE WITH GOD... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.csonline.net/designer/ideas/peace.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
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Beautiful Music, Abra.
You Definitely Are Gifted.
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Abra.....
gonna share something here with you.... that hopefully will help make the gospel message ,more clearer for you. Abra... when Adam and Eve allowed satan to tempt them in the garden..... satan thought he had won. See....God had also created lucifer with a free will... but then lucifer rebelled against God... cause he wanted to BE God himself. That's why the enemy came to tempt adam and eve... his plan was already under way...to BE God himself. Now Abra...just because lucifer rebelled against God, doesn't mean that God could now just step in..... and Go agaisnt lucifer(satan's) free will... and bind him up and put a stop to what he is doing. Why not? Well.... To do that, God would have had to go against His Word. But God will NEVER go agaisnt His Word. See? If God created lucifer with a free will, God couldn't NOW just step in, and go AGAINST lucifer's free will ... The same way God WON'T come agaisnt man's free will either... and MAKE man come to God. No....God will never do that. BUT...what God DID do.. to JUSTLY overcome satan.... and NOT therefore Go agaisnt His Word... was this. God sent us a SECOND ADAM... Jesus Christ... who became the JUST Way for God to overcome .... what satan did to the first adam. See? What God did thru sending us His Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ, God did JUSTLY... and did not therefore, go agaisnt satan's free will. Now...Why did God have to send us Jesus, His son then? Cause God could NOT come here any other way.... God had to be born in the flesh here... or else God would have been an ILLEGAL INTRUDER!! The same way God cannot come into our hearts now... except by Invitation... otherwise, God would be an INTRUDER against our own free will. So you see, Abra.. thru Jesus coming here in the flesh,by being BORN here.... (this way God coming to dwell among us was NOT ILLEGAL...cause he was BORN here in the FLESH ).... God now was JUSTLY able to OVERCOME the enemy... and again..do it in a JUST WAY !!! See...again..God Cannot and will NOT go against His WORD!! IF he gave a free will to satan and to man also.... God can NEVER go against that free will. But thru Jesus being born here in the FLESH... and becoming the perfect sacrifice for our sins .... and paying the price for our sins in FULL... we are now able to come back to God. And all we have to do is.... WILLINGLY CHOOSE to ACCEPT Jesus into our hearts as our Personal Saviour.... the One who paid for our sins.....so we did not have to !! And when we do, we too become OVERCOMERS, of what the enemy did to adam....and to us (because we are all are born of adam). When we accept Jesus as Our Personal Saviour, we THEN become BORN of the SECOND ADAM...Jesus Christ....... and the enemy no longer has any hold or power over us... cause we are now free..... free from sin...and forgiven... and not only free of sin.....and forgiven.... but we now are also brought back into FELLOWSHIP with God Himself.... just like it was in the beginning, before the fall. See now, Abra? See ? |
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THE PROOF THAT JESUS ROSE AGAIN .... AND THAT JESUS OUR REDEEEMER LIVES... IS THIS: THIS RISEN SAVIOUR NOW LIVES IN THE BELIEVERS'S HEARTS. AND YOU TOO...PRECIOUS PEOPLE HERE..... CAN HAVE THIS SAME PROOF ..... WHICH, BTW, WILL BE THE ONLY PROOF YOU WILL EVER EVER NEED.... THAT OUR REDEEMER TRULY LIVES ... WHEN YOU TOO... ASK THIS RISEN SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST... INTO YOUR HEARTS TOO. 
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If the gospel message gets any clearer I'm going to throw up. Please MorningSong, accept what I'm saying: I don't believe that the male chuavinistic pigs who wrote the Bible spoke for the creator of this universe. Period. It has nothing to do with rejecting "god" or "free will". The men who wrote the Bible were jerks. Plain and simple. The creator of this unviverse wouldn't be a jerk. End of Story. The Bible has nothing to do with God. |
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The argument of a First Cause is logically flawed, where did you study philosophy? You believe in g-d as an individual phenomenological experience from what I can gather. this is how most people come to believe in g-d. Not everyone believes in the Xian g-d. Why is it logically flawed? May be you can explain. |
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The argument of a First Cause is logically flawed, where did you study philosophy? You believe in g-d as an individual phenomenological experience from what I can gather. this is how most people come to believe in g-d. Not everyone believes in the Xian g-d. I agree ...first cause can only apply to that which existence is not questionable ... God's existence rely on faith and is therefore questionable which is why first cause cannot be applied Is Premise 1 correct? |
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22. Fact # 1: On the Sunday following his crucifixion, Jesus' tomb was found empty by a group of his women followers. According to Jacob Kremer, an Austrian scholar who has specialized in the study of the resurrection, "By far most scholars hold firmly to the reliability of the Biblical statements about the empty tomb."{14} According to the New Testament critic, D.H. van Daalen, it is extremely difficult to object to the empty tomb on historical grounds; those who deny it do so on the basis of theological or philosophical assumptions. 23. Fact # 2: On separate occasions different individuals and groups saw appearances of Jesus alive after his death. According to the prominent, skeptical German New Testament critic Gerd Ludemann, "It may be taken as historically certain that...the disciples had experiences after Jesus' death in which Jesus appeared to them as the risen Christ."{15} These appearances were witnessed not only by believers, but also by unbelievers, skeptics, and even enemies. 24. Fact # 3: The original disciples suddenly came to believe in the resurrection of Jesus despite having every predisposition to the contrary. Jews had no belief in a dying, much less a rising, Messiah, and Jewish beliefs about the afterlife precluded anyone's rising from the dead prior to the end of the world. Luke Johnson, a New Testament scholar at Emory University, muses, "Some sort of powerful, transformative experience is required to generate the sort of movement earliest Christianity was..."{16} N. T. Wright, an eminent British scholar, concludes, "That is why, as an historian, I cannot explain the rise of early Christianity unless Jesus rose again, leaving an empty tomb behind him."{17} On the first page you asked Abra for his best argument. If you can support the above FACTS with anything historical, other than scripture, one might attempt to argue. Until then, your FACTS are not fact accredited. Arguing over over something invalid is futile attempt to pass time that might be spent learning something more beneficial. I am using the best liberal and conservative scholarship I can find. |
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Points 21,22,23, are solid.
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