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god was THE BIG BANG. its not a spirit in the sky.. its all of us.. god is everything around us..
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Edited by
Krimsa
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As a solstice lover, you have the freedom in America to put up anything you want, dearheart. As a "solstice lover," I would not presume to force my beliefs on anyone else in the community. It's not forcing, it's celebrating. There's been no such case, and probably because if you're there for a crime, you either did it or you didn't, and 10 commandments have nothing to do with whether you get a fair shake or not. Well if we did indeed observe the bible and Ten Commandments as part of our modern day legal code of conduct and legislation, then we might as well just take that Buddhist out to the parking lot and stone him right? Forget all of that "due process" malarkey. Let’s skip trial and proceed directly to stoning. #1--We don't observe all of it. Things like stealing and killing, yes. But we have no laws that govern "having no other gods before me". And #2--stoning isn't in the 10 commandments. Not real strong in history are you skad? The Code of Hammurabi is the best-preserved ancient law code, created in 1760 BC in ancient Babylon. It was enacted by the sixth Babylonian king, Hammurabi. This is what our modern legal system was inherited from. Dodged a bullet on that one.  This is just a comment: Thats interesting krimsa you state the code of hammurabi the best-preserved ancient law code ,and you say our modern legal system was inherited from . I not all too familiar with this code but i have read somewhere The babylonian code of hammuarbi stipulates plural/patriarchal marriages which allows a man to have multiple wives and concubines so long as he can take care of them. That it was only the Romans and the Greeks efforts to enforce monogamy for legitmate marriages. Polygamy was obviously practiced in ancient societies. Yet today it is prohibited in western civilization, although there are some communities like mormon who upholds it. I guess I would like to know if this was acceptable in ancient times under this ancient code where and why has it become intolerable? Not that I am for it or against it. I just trying to understand it.  Well we know that polygamy was practiced and condoned in the bible of course. Genesis 4 4:19 And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah. Lamech is the first of a long line of biblical men with more than one wife. Here yet again: Genesis 16:1-4 Now Sarai Abram's wife bare him no children: and she had an handmaid, an Egyptian, whose name was Hagar. And Sarai said unto Abram, Behold now, the LORD hath restrained me from bearing: I pray thee, go in unto my maid; it may be that I may obtain children by her. And Abram hearkened to the voice of Sarai. And Sarai ... gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife. And he went in unto Hagar, and she conceived. So that kind of closes that point I would assume. The Code of Hammurabi As a rule, polygamy is not allowed. If a barren wife gives to her husband a slave girl who bears children to him, then he may not marry another wife (section 144); otherwise he might do so (section 145). The slave given to the husband is bound to show due deference to her mistress; if she does not do this she loses her privileged position, but she may not be sold if she has borne a child to the husband (sections 146 f). Incurable disease of the wife is a ground for the marriage of another wife (sections 148 f). I will keep looking however as Polygamy was practiced in some of these ancient cultures and I don’t understand why it would not be in ancient Mesopotamia. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Wed 01/28/09 03:20 PM
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...any religious display on government property gives the appearance of government sponsored religion. It can't be allowed. If I say that my religion is based on the idea that Galileo was God incarnate, would that mean that images of Galileo should hereafter never be displayed in/on any publicly owned property? Or does the religion in question have to be “recognized” before it merits an objection based on freedom of religion? Seems more of a political issue than a religious one. Just a thought.  Hi Skyhook! I have never heard of a Galileo religion but if there was one, and you were peddling it on government property, yes. Whether is is "recognized" or not, if you are selling it as a religion, someone might object but maybe not since nobody probably has heard of it. Actually is IS a political issue. In order for this country to continue to allow freedom of religion, it must not give the appearance that it sponsors a particular religion. People can say that a display of religious symbols is harmless on government property and it may seem so if the government continues to insist on separation of church and state. But it is not harmless. It chips away at the idea of a country that allows all religions and favors or sponsors none. Things like displaying religious symbols ON GOVERNMENT OR PUBLIC PROPERTY have a way of creeping into the collective unconscious and impressing itself upon the next generation and before you know it, you have politicians in office who can't understand how to separate church and state because they have seen this kind of thing all their lives and probably believe that this is a "Christian" country or that our government should sponsor Christianity. A good example would be Skad, as she sees nothing harmful about it. It seems perfectly normal and harmless to her.(And of course it would, because it is a display of something she believes in. Why would she object to it? She just thinks its a celebration. I guess she does not see the religious significance of the symbols. Our freedoms (that we used to have) all disappeared very quietly without anyone noticing as we passed one law after another taking them away from us so that we could feel safe and protected by our government. So to, can freedom of religion if the ten commandments are allow to be displayed in courtrooms across the country. It makes a powerful statement. It can't be allowed to happen. |
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As a solstice lover, you have the freedom in America to put up anything you want, dearheart. As a "solstice lover," I would not presume to force my beliefs on anyone else in the community. It's not forcing, it's celebrating. There's been no such case, and probably because if you're there for a crime, you either did it or you didn't, and 10 commandments have nothing to do with whether you get a fair shake or not. Well if we did indeed observe the bible and Ten Commandments as part of our modern day legal code of conduct and legislation, then we might as well just take that Buddhist out to the parking lot and stone him right? Forget all of that "due process" malarkey. Let’s skip trial and proceed directly to stoning. #1--We don't observe all of it. Things like stealing and killing, yes. But we have no laws that govern "having no other gods before me". And #2--stoning isn't in the 10 commandments. Not real strong in history are you skad? The Code of Hammurabi is the best-preserved ancient law code, created in 1760 BC in ancient Babylon. It was enacted by the sixth Babylonian king, Hammurabi. This is what our modern legal system was inherited from. Dodged a bullet on that one. This is just a comment: Thats interesting krimsa you state the code of hammurabi the best-preserved ancient law code ,and you say our modern legal system was inherited from . I not all too familiar with this code but i have read somewhere The babylonian code of hammuarbi stipulates plural/patriarchal marriages which allows a man to have multiple wives and concubines so long as he can take care of them. That it was only the Romans and the Greeks efforts to enforce monogamy for legitmate marriages. Polygamy was obviously practiced in ancient societies. Yet today it is prohibited in western civilization, although there are some communities like mormon who upholds it. I guess I would like to know if this was acceptable in ancient times under this ancient code where and why has it become intolerable? Not that I am for it or against it. I just trying to understand it. Well we know that polygamy was practiced and condoned in the bible of course. Genesis 4 4:19 And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah. Lamech is the first of a long line of biblical men with more than one wife. Here yet again: Genesis 16:1-4 Now Sarai Abram's wife bare him no children: and she had an handmaid, an Egyptian, whose name was Hagar. And Sarai said unto Abram, Behold now, the LORD hath restrained me from bearing: I pray thee, go in unto my maid; it may be that I may obtain children by her. And Abram hearkened to the voice of Sarai. And Sarai ... gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife. And he went in unto Hagar, and she conceived. So that kind of closes that point I would assume. The Code of Hammurabi As a rule, polygamy is not allowed. If a barren wife gives to her husband a slave girl who bears children to him, then he may not marry another wife (section 144); otherwise he might do so (section 145). The slave given to the husband is bound to show due deference to her mistress; if she does not do this she loses her privileged position, but she may not be sold if she has borne a child to the husband (sections 146 f). Incurable disease of the wife is a ground for the marriage of another wife (sections 148 f). I will keep looking however as Polygamy was practiced in some of these ancient cultures and I don’t understand why it would not be in ancient Mesopotamia. If polygamy is not allowed or should not be allowed then that means the old testament ancient laws are obsolete. How could any part of the ancient laws stand today if one part of it doesnt?
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Are you asking why do Mormons still practice Polygamy? They don’t. The Fundamentalist LDS do. It has been criminalized to some extent but something like that is difficult to enforce. Utah and Arizona are always having trouble with it. The issue is the rights of these very young women who are forced into marriage and essentially raped by old men.
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"Laws are higher and better than theories, but you're young--and most people don't pay attention in class at your age. I'll give you some slack.. "
Laws are generalizations that describe phenomena, whereas theories explain phenomena. For example, the laws of thermodynamics describe what will happen under certain circumstances; thermodynamics theories explain why these events occur. Again: A law states. A theory explains. Ergo, a theory will usually be of greater value than a law. While adorable, your ignorance of these basic concepts is nonetheless contemptible. |
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As to the topic of God, it matters not. Humanity will never know one way or another, and even theists will recognize that belief in God requires a leap of faith. Reason and faith are incompatible, simple as that. The squabbling around this main issue is simply a series of red herrings.
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