((((((((Sharpshooter)))))))))

No one thinks you are of satan, My Friend....

sorry something like that was even mentioned on here.....

even though I am sure the party who said that ,was only kidding around.

Happy Belated Birthday, Sharp...hope Your Special Day was a Good one!!


Sharp...even though we don't agree on some matters,

doesn't make you any less My Friend....Ok?

And btw..I don't believe Eve ate an apple either....

In fact, that's not even found in scripture.

i think he's satan.....

every person is satan and god?

duh?

ying and yang?

duh?

holy spirit spirit of god?

duh?

tree of good and evil, tree of life?

duh?

black dog white dog?

duh?

good and bad?

duh?

night and day?

duh?

mind and heart?

duh?

fear and love?

duh?

conscious mind subconscious mind?

big duh?

if anything meet god it know it come as satan, as satan come as an angel of light, so god come in the EXACT OPPOSITE THAT EACH HUMAN THINK, as evil at first, AS THE BEGINNING OF "FEAR" BE THE BEGINNING OF WISDOM, and WHO is fear, SINCE PERFECT LOVE CAST IT OUT?

so there morning glory who's word tinkle the cymbols, and dull the drums....

In a sense what your trying to note is the dual nature of things in existence. Everyone does indeed share the same potential for better or for worse depending on the perspective from which all things are viewed. The potential remains the same for both regardless of whether a choice is viewed as good or evil. A good choice is a good choice from some other point of view it is an evil choice. The same is true of evil choices, it is good to some and evil to others. The real question is who or what sits in judgement of these choices if they are even judged at all by anyone other then mankind.

Of course he does, look around, beauty does not happen by accident...

Well said. Ditto.

Biological Evolution.

If God does not exist: no harm, no foul. We all live happily ever after, until of course we die and take nothing with us and fade back to dust; in that case, life is pointless really.

If God does exist: and if all that is in the Bible is true, then some will be with Him and some will not.

Everything written in the Bible has so far "come true" so to speak (was always true in my opinion). From Job saying that the stars were suspending in space 2000 yrs. before man and his need for proof made a telescope and found out for himself, to the study of cardio-vascular systems 4000 yrs. after the Bible said we had hearts. There is nothing scientific or historic that has been disproved by real science, i.e. laws of nature--not everyone's silly theories (which can be made up with mere visual observation by any tom, **** and harry).

But when it's all boiled down, it has to be by faith.. that's what He asks of us. And nothing else will get us there--He's already made sure of that, afterall, He is God. No amount of searching it out is ever going to produce the results non-believers seek, it's wasted time..wasted in the worst kind of way, the way that leads to eternal death.

Yeah that pesky physical evidence of early hominid development. Where can we hide it? Should we just re-bury it all? Dump it in the sea because it fails to go along with the biblical picture?

You cant be serious?

Absolutely.. until there is real proof otherwise, why not take the unfallible word of God? You can't disprove it with any truth you come up with, so you have to fall back on theory.. rather weak, imo......

Because the bible was written by men and is misogynist, full of contextual errors and contradictions and in no way represents the word of any divine creator. It does however, explicitly demonstrate the mindset of a bunch of agenda driven men.

That’s why I’m not simply taking the "word of god".

No one can prove that god doesn’t exist. No one can prove that he does either.

Does square one sounds familiar?



I just had to quote that one. Too funny.

There doesn't need to be a 'god' for there to be eternal life. Or to put that another way, we could be god.

The idea that there needs to be some external godhead simply isn't necessary.



If the biblical picture of God is true then that would be worst than atheism. And those who go to live with him will find themselves in eternal slavery with no free will of their own, for the Bible demands this.

We'd be far better off if atheism were true than if the biblical picture of God is true. There are no winners in the biblical picture. None. All humans are fated to lose their free will in the end. Because there will be no free will with the Biblical God. The bible makes that perfectly clear. Only Gods will shall be done!

So when you talk about life being pointless, how does the biblical picture of God make things any better?

To become the slave of a confessed egotistical male chauvinist God who will only accept mindless slaves who will forever only do HIS WILL without ever questioning his authority is pointless as far as I'm concerned. Atheism is actually a much more inviting picture.

The idea that we need an external God to give meaning to life is silly.

If the only thing that gives meaning to life is an external God then God's existence would be meaningless unless he too had an external God.

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But all of that is moot anyway, because really all you are attempting to suggest here is that ether the Bible is true, or there is no spiritual essence to humanity.

Well, excuse me, but there are a lot of other religions and philosophies that believe that humans are spirit.

The Bible doesn't hold the corner on the market for eternal life.

Pantheism if a far better picture of spirit.

In fact, to believe in the Bible you must necessarily believe that God is an egotistical jealous fool, for the Bible tells us so.

The Biblical God is a loser! For the Bible tells us so! During the Great Flood God lost all of humanity to Satan, save for a handful of souls.

The Biblical God is desperate! For the Bible tells us so! After the flood, in an act of pure desperation, God had to have his only begotten Son nailed to a pole to try to save more souls. That's a desperate God who is clearly losing his war with a fallen angel.

Jesus verified that the biblical God is a loser. Jesus clearly said that the path is straight and the gate is narrow that lead to the kingdom of God and few will make it.

Well, if few make it, then Satan wins the vast majority of souls that the biblical God creates.

The Bible demands that God is a big time loser losing the vast majority of souls that he creates.

The Biblical picture of God is a very depressing picture because it guarantees that most humans will go to hell, and very few will become eternal slave to do only God's will. And I'm not sure if they should even be considered winners since they will clearly no longer have any free will of their own.

Atheism looks really sweet in the face of the biblical picture. If I had to choose between atheism or the biblical picture of God, I would rather atheism be true! So what's my incentive to believe in a mean hateful loser God who just wants me to be as mindless eternal slave who will lick his boots and only do HIS WILL?

There's nothing attractive about that picture at all. I'd rather just die thank you.

Fortunately we don't need to believe in such an ugly picture of an egomaniac loser God.

Pantheism offers a very beautiful picture of the eternal spirit where there are no losers at all.

No one loses in pantheism. Humans don't lose, and God doesn't lose. There are no losers in pantheism.

Therefore if life has purpose then pantheism must be true because it's so divine.

People claim that it is impossible to prove that God does not exist. And I agree with this in the most abstract sense of God.

Moreover, I'm not an atheist anyway. I believe in spirit (not an egostistical Godhead like the Bible).

However, what can be shown to be false is the Biblical story.

In fact, I have shown a myriad of reasons why it can't be the word of any God. NOTE: This does not prove that God does not exist, it simply proves that the Bible cannot be the word of any God. The Bible contradicts itself in many ways which shows that it's the false made up lies of men.

So while it may be impossible to disprove the existence of a God in general, it's not impossible to show why the Bible is false.

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Below is a post I just wrote in another thread. Everything that I say below makes sense. Therefore at the VERY LEAST it shows why the Bible is most likely not true.



I see the Bible as a history of a culture that used God to excuse their poor behavior in many cases.

I concede that some of the authors of the Bible wrote things of inspiration that were intended to be uplifting. After all it's not truly a single book, it's a cannon of stories from many different authors (albeit they were familiar with the folklore that had preceded them)

None the less, much of it was nothing more than an excuse to claim that God condoned the murdering of heathens, and the male chauvinistic treatment of women.

I believe that much of the Bible was indeed written to keep people in line and try to manipulate people to stand up for the bible.

I personally don't believe that the creator of this universe is a jealous God. Nor do I believe that he's at war with a fallen angel.

The very idea that the creator of this universe would need to sacrifice his own son in a war with a fallen angel would truly have been a victory for the fallen angel.

Moreover, such an act would be a clear act of desperation on the part of a supposedly all-wise all-powerful God.

I see the Bible as being such a vividly absurd story of a supposedly all-wise creator. I just don't see the wisdom in asking people for blood sacrifices in the very first place.

Much less having a supposedly all-powerful God cowering down to a fallen angel by desperately sacrificing his own son.

Those concepts diminish the idea of an all-wise all-powerful creator to a seriously inept and desperate God, IMHO.

Moreover, the very idea that this God would egotistically be upset with people who refuse to believe that God could be so inept is itself an absurd idea.

Why would God be angry with anyone for rejecting such a clearly contradicting and inept picture of God.

God is going to send me to hell because I thought the creator of this universe should be wiser and more powerful than the what a bunch of male chauvinist men who lived in ancient times and had claimed?

That utterly absurd as well.

I mean to believe in this picture I necessarily must believe that God is inept, unwise, and totally heartless.

This is what the story requires the I accept in order to believe it.

I must believe that the creator of this universe is a male-chauvinist. And that he asked people to judge each other and stone each other to death as sinners. And I must believe that he hates heathens (anyone who refuses to believe this authors of the Bible!).

The Bible even had God telling people to murder the wives and children of heathens.

How many humans think that would be moral?

The whole idea that Jesus was the sacrificial lamb of this hateful bigoted male chauvinistic God is just so totally unreasonable as far as I'm concerned.

Moreover, look at Jesus. What did he do according to the Bible?

According to the Bible, Jesus denounced the teachings of the God of Abraham.

The God of Abraham had instructed people to judge others and stone them to death as sinners if they judged them to be sinners.

Clearly they were still obeying the God of Abraham in Jesus' day. And Jesus denounced the stoning of sinners, and even taught us not to judge others.

That's a completely ABOUT FACE!

This is supposed to be a stable unchanging creator?

The God of Abraham taught people to seek revenge, an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

Jesus denounced that violence and instead taught forgiveness and to turn the other cheek instead.

Again, that's 100% opposite of what the God of Abraham had taught.

So how could Jesus have possibly been the Son of the God of Abraham when he totally denounced the ways of that God?

Clearly this picture isn't even coherent.

You ask my verdict?

I believe that Jesus was a very spiritual man, and deeply interested in civil rights and he was a humanitarian.

The culture that wrote the Bible clearly had a missing gap in the life of Jesus from the time he was 12 until he was about 30.

I believe in those intervening decades he traveled to India, probably in search of wisdom and spiritual enlightenment. He learned of the pantheistic view (the view of Buddhism) and he became enlightened and knew that he and god are one in the same.

Then he returned to his home land and saw the violence continuing. People were still judging each other and stoning each other to death, and seeking revenge as an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

Well, he couldn't very well just say, "Ok everyone, this is all wrong and horrible, you've got to convert to Buddhism".

That would go over like a lead balloon and most likely get him stoned to death as a HEATHEN!

So what would a wise concerned humanitarian sage do in that case? Well, the only way to approach the problem was to try to teach the people using their own beliefs. The time was ripe because the Roman Oppression had people in a very desperate way. They were desperately in need of a savior and there were many rumors about the coming of a messiah.

So Jesus accepted the role. He taught the ways of the Buddha and denounced the violence of the Old Testament. He spoke as the "Son of God" which, in his mind as a pantheist was TRUTH".

Jesus didn't need to lie to say that he and the Father are one, because that's what Buddhism and pantheism teach. Jesus knew that he was God, as is everyone else!

In fact, Jesus even wanted to make sure that they knew it, and he taught "Ye are also Gods". He never claimed to be any different from anyone else.

Even when he said things along the lines of his teaching being the ONLY WAY to God, he didn't mean that only HIS teaching, but anyone's teachings that were in line with HIS. He was teaching pantheism!

But at the same time his teachings totally denounced the teachings of the God of Abraham as I had outlined above. Therefore he was accused of blaspheme and eventually crucified for it so the story goes.

But he was a every FAMOUS RABBI by that time! He had preached to the masses. This would be like crucifying Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., or Gandhi. It didn't go unnoticed by the masses.

Rumors began to flourish about the man from Nazarene, the man that so many looked up to as their savior. The man that many believed to the incarnation of God himself!

In fact, in the early going historians have evidence that many of the early "Christians" (followers of Jesus), had widely different opinions of who he was and what he stood for. Many did not believe that he was the God of Abraham nor his Son, but rather that he had actually denounced that dogma.

This arguing went on for some time before the actual gospels were written. It is my belief that the gospels were written specifically to restore the God of the Old Testament. Yet they had to contain these popular new views of Jesus (the pantheistic view of brotherly love).

So they wrote up (or distorted existing rumors) into a rumor that was compatible with supporting their original Old Testament. In other words, the nailed the crucified Jesus to the Old Testament! So this was his second crucifixion.

They claimed that he was the Son of the God of Abraham and that the Old Testament is still the valid word of God! And whosoever shall deny these Holy Scriptures shall be declared a heretic and beheaded!

And thus the Holy Bible as we know it today was born.

Jesus was nailed to it as tightly as he had been nailed to the cross.

This I believe.

I don't believe in a God who was so desperate that he had to sacrifice his only begotten son in a war with a stupid fallen angel. That implies that the angel was a serious threat to God. Any God who would need to sacrifice anything to beat a demon is in pretty bad shape.

That my friends is demagoguery.

Jesus tried to save people from the Old Testament. It was never his intent to be used to prop it up.

That's my verdict.

And I mean no one any disrespect by it. This is just one human's view and I offer it to my fellow man with all the sincerity I can offer. Let's get past the Old Testament once and for all. And that includes the New Testament as it is nothing more than demagoguery to support the Old.

There is no reason why I should give the Bible any respect whatsoever.

It's clearly the word of perverted men and shows no sign of being of any divine origin.

That is the most illogical and ridiculous question I have yet to see.

If you can show me what the infallible word of God is, and prove that it is God's infallible words I might, .......but if you can't prove that God exists then you can't possibly prove he has anything to say or that his word is infallible or what his word even is.

Where have all the thinkers gone?

Perhaps if Jesus would have left it alone and never returned to his homelands, the old testament would have died out naturally.

Yet it is understandable that if one discovers something positive that one wants to share it with his people. It is not always the case for few are greedy with knowledge, yet for Jesus's sake he did want to share the knowledge he received when traveling to India or to the person who shared excessive knowledge of enlightenment.

Actually the new testament probably wouldn't even exist if Jesus didn't come back to his homelands and the old testament would have died out perhaps.

One can only wonder what would the people then believe in if this would have happened?

It is amazing how one decision can change the course of history for better or for worse. Perhaps for worse as many of the wars are fought because of mediterrenean mythologies.

and now that I think about it perhaps if the new testament would have never existed then the Muslim religion may have never started either in the course of history. It is possible.

Im really sorry skad that the scientific truth does not match up with the biblical picture.

So, Scientific theories that have been repeatedly tested, and has become accepted as more then just a theory, No.

A Book that was written around 2000 years ago, and we can't tell what is real and what isn't, Yes.

If the word of God is supposed to be infallible then clearly the Bible is not the word of God, because it is extremely fallible.

No two humans can even agree on what it says.

The Jews and the Muslins don't believe that Jesus was the Son of the God of Abraham.

The Christians who have decided to take that view disagree with each other.

Catholism has a history of mass murdering people who disagree with it's views. How Christ-like of them!

The Protestants are just a bunch of rebellious heretics who can't even agree with each other.

No two Christians will agree on what the Bible says.

You call that infalliable?

I call it nonsense.

And I mean that quite literally. The Bible is nonsensical.

One minute the God is telling people to judge each other and stone sinners to death. The next minute he's renouncing his very own commands and teaching people not to judge and not to throw stones.

You call that infallible.

I call that a God who is either suffering from schizophrenia or who is too stupid to realize that sending mixed messages is a very unwise thing to do for a supposedly all-wise Heavenly Father.

Such a God is untrustworthy, he can't even make up his own mind and if he changed it once, maybe he'll change it again.

The Bible represents a totally unstable God who has no clue what he wants from us.

Not to meantion that he's a self-confessed jealous male chauvinist pig and hates anyone who doesn't believe it!

The biblical God hates far more people than he love.

He wouldn't be divine, or even sane.

In fact, talking about God being sane, here's what the Bible expects us to believe about our creator:

God commands people that it is their duty to murder heathens, and a heathen is anyone who disagrees with the word of God.

Fine.

But then what does the Bible claim that God does?

God sends his only begotten Son into the mob that commanded to murder heathens.

Then he has his son denounces the very things that he had commanded the people to do!

What a mixed message that would be!

So then the people crucify Jesus just as God had commanded them that they MUST DO!.

God couldn't blame anyone for having murdered Jesus, he COMMANDED them to do precisely that.

God couldn't blame anyone for rejecting Jesus as Jesus blasphemed the very teachings of the Old Testament.

Clearly!

For the Bible tells us so!

The Bible tells us that God must be an absolute idiot!

That's what the Bible DEMANDS.

You must believe that God is an idiot to believe that the Bible is the word of God.

You have no other choice.

The Bible doesn't leave you any other choice. Either believe that God is an idiot, or go to hell!

That's the choice that the Bible gives you.

Of course, there is a third choice!

You can realize that the Bible was written by idiots who weren't God.

And that's my choice.