Topic: Christianity is it a religion, a lie, or simply the truth?
Nubby's photo
Sun 01/18/09 06:13 AM


I am not trying to be mean seamonster, but that man is not a scholar, I do not know of any scholar or theologian that would agree with Him. Even if the time lines did not add up, although they do, it still does not disprove the ressurection.



So as Skyhook has said many times, it appears that "truth" depends upon agreement.. and now, according to you, you seek and sight those who agree with your assertion.

I don't agree with your assertions. I don't believe there is any proof that Jesus was anything other than a fictional character.

Even if a real man existed whose life was vaguely similar to the description of the character Jesus, the claim that he was crucified for the reasons stated, the claim that he was born of a virgin, the claim that he actually died and was resurrected cannot by the wildest stretch of the imagination be proven or verified.

The story is representational of many myths that came prior to Christianity that were the basis of different religious beliefs about the life giving sun in the sky above our heads, and the pagan sun worshipers.

It is silly to challenge someone to "disprove" the resurrection. It is the people who claim that this fictional myth is true who have the burden of proving it.

Yes, it was written, but that does not make it anything but a story. That it was written does not make it true.

Stories and myths and legends have been told over and over, until they began to be written down on paper. The act of writing it did not make it true. It is still just a fictional tale, not history until you can actually prove every aspect of the story.

If you want to admit that it is held to be true on faith alone I will accept that, but do not claim proof. You do not have it.

The resurrection has to do with the sun, not a real person.







I qouted many liberal scholars who agree with my four facts.

Seamonster's photo
Sun 01/18/09 06:17 AM

The TRUTH... but anyone can find that out by reading & testing it for themselves. :smile:


tell that to the next parents of a child that died in pain from cancer after they prayed over them.

I think they did test and the test faild.

There is no REAL evidence for any of this in fact the evidence points the other way.

Krimsa's photo
Sun 01/18/09 06:30 AM
Test what? There is nothing to test. The bible was written by men.

Nubby's photo
Sun 01/18/09 06:35 AM


The TRUTH... but anyone can find that out by reading & testing it for themselves. :smile:


tell that to the next parents of a child that died in pain from cancer after they prayed over them.

I think they did test and the test faild.

There is no REAL evidence for any of this in fact the evidence points the other way.




God has taken that life to be with Him in Paradise.

TBRich's photo
Sun 01/18/09 06:37 AM
i thin he is referring to the effects of word of faith and prosperity teachers who tell people that if they had enough faith they would have been healed, because as you know, by his stripes you are already healed.

Seamonster's photo
Sun 01/18/09 06:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqcm7EdC9WM

The bible cant even get it right.

Heres another short vid that blows holes all threw your so called facts and again it's all from the bible.

Krimsa's photo
Sun 01/18/09 06:38 AM
Edited by Krimsa on Sun 01/18/09 06:38 AM
Nubby,

If that makes you feel better than it doesn’t hurt anyone else. I tend to believe in reincarnation.

Nubby's photo
Sun 01/18/09 06:45 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqcm7EdC9WM

The bible cant even get it right.

Heres another short vid that blows holes all threw your so called facts and again it's all from the bible.


Apparent Contradictions? Blows holes in my facts?

Krimsa's photo
Sun 01/18/09 06:47 AM
Uhh, they only ever see what they post. Its truly amazing. They have "selective blindness." laugh

TBRich's photo
Sun 01/18/09 06:49 AM
Told you

Seamonster's photo
Sun 01/18/09 06:55 AM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqcm7EdC9WM

The bible cant even get it right.

Heres another short vid that blows holes all threw your so called facts and again it's all from the bible.


Apparent Contradictions? Blows holes in my facts?


yes because they are not facts, the bible can not get the story strait and is supossedly the word of god.
So these "eye witnesses" can not be trusted.
There are many people that say they have seen alien space ships but does that make it so?
And there are alot of people that say they have been on them, there are many people that say they have been cured of illnesses because they touched a stain that if you looked at it from the left and scwinted it kinda looked like the virgin mary, is that real?
What you have are not facts.

And those were not Apparent Contradictions they were Glareing Cnotradictions.

Krimsa's photo
Sun 01/18/09 06:57 AM
The bible is jammed packed full of contradictions. Its a contradiction of a contradiction in some cases.

Nubby's photo
Sun 01/18/09 06:58 AM
Edited by Nubby on Sun 01/18/09 07:01 AM



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqcm7EdC9WM

The bible cant even get it right.

Heres another short vid that blows holes all threw your so called facts and again it's all from the bible.


Apparent Contradictions? Blows holes in my facts?


yes because they are not facts, the bible can not get the story strait and is supossedly the word of god.
So these "eye witnesses" can not be trusted.
There are many people that say they have seen alien space ships but does that make it so?
And there are alot of people that say they have been on them, there are many people that say they have been cured of illnesses because they touched a stain that if you looked at it from the left and scwinted it kinda looked like the virgin mary, is that real?
What you have are not facts.

And those were not Apparent Contradictions they were Glareing Cnotradictions.


A Christian does not have to believe in the inerrancy of scripture to believe Christ rose from the dead. That is why apparent contradictions have nothing to do with the four facts.

no photo
Sun 01/18/09 07:00 AM

God has taken that life to be with Him in Paradise.


He sure likes to take most of them in the most hideous of ways. You would think a so called compassionate god would find a simpler way to remove someone, rather than horrible accidents and murder and such.

I suppose it's fine if you wish to make up this excuse, but it's hardly satisfying when you see how people are taken to him in paradise.

Krimsa's photo
Sun 01/18/09 07:02 AM
Edited by Krimsa on Sun 01/18/09 07:06 AM
They probably went to the wrong tomb. All of those stone caves would have looked similar. There is nothing to substantiate that any human flesh was reanimated.

Nubby's photo
Sun 01/18/09 07:05 AM


The TRUTH... but anyone can find that out by reading & testing it for themselves. :smile:


tell that to the next parents of a child that died in pain from cancer after they prayed over them.

I think they did test and the test faild.

There is no REAL evidence for any of this in fact the evidence points the other way.




I have a question. What does the Atheist say to the parents of that child. So what, thats it, to bad. ?????????

Seamonster's photo
Sun 01/18/09 07:08 AM




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqcm7EdC9WM

The bible cant even get it right.

Heres another short vid that blows holes all threw your so called facts and again it's all from the bible.


Apparent Contradictions? Blows holes in my facts?


yes because they are not facts, the bible can not get the story strait and is supossedly the word of god.
So these "eye witnesses" can not be trusted.
There are many people that say they have seen alien space ships but does that make it so?
And there are alot of people that say they have been on them, there are many people that say they have been cured of illnesses because they touched a stain that if you looked at it from the left and scwinted it kinda looked like the virgin mary, is that real?
What you have are not facts.

And those were not Apparent Contradictions they were Glareing Cnotradictions.


I believe the Bible is the word of God, but a Christian does not have to believe in the inerrancy of scripture to believe Christ rose from the dead. That is why apparent contradictions have nothing to do with the four facts.


your facts are based on hearsay and rumour.
That is not how we get facts.

And jesus was not the first to die and rise from the dead 3 days later it has been in religions thousands of yrs before jesus.
So it is realy nothing that special or diffrent anyway.

Krimsa's photo
Sun 01/18/09 07:09 AM
Edited by Krimsa on Sun 01/18/09 07:10 AM



The TRUTH... but anyone can find that out by reading & testing it for themselves. :smile:


tell that to the next parents of a child that died in pain from cancer after they prayed over them.

I think they did test and the test faild.

There is no REAL evidence for any of this in fact the evidence points the other way.




I have a question. What does the Atheist say to the parents of that child. So what, thats it, to bad. ?????????


I can’t speak for Atheists but they do not believe in god. They believe that life has a time and purpose and that is here in the material world. They honor the earth. They do not fear it and they do not make excuses to offset their own insecurities.

Seamonster's photo
Sun 01/18/09 07:11 AM



The TRUTH... but anyone can find that out by reading & testing it for themselves. :smile:


tell that to the next parents of a child that died in pain from cancer after they prayed over them.

I think they did test and the test faild.

There is no REAL evidence for any of this in fact the evidence points the other way.




I have a question. What does the Atheist say to the parents of that child. So what, thats it, to bad. ?????????


they console them, instead of hey we prayed god must just not like you or your child.
The bottom line is god did nothing to help the child.
So I prayers go unanswerd because had had some other plan then there is no use in praying.

Seamonster's photo
Sun 01/18/09 07:12 AM




The TRUTH... but anyone can find that out by reading & testing it for themselves. :smile:


tell that to the next parents of a child that died in pain from cancer after they prayed over them.

I think they did test and the test faild.

There is no REAL evidence for any of this in fact the evidence points the other way.




I have a question. What does the Atheist say to the parents of that child. So what, thats it, to bad. ?????????


I can’t speak for Atheists but they do not believe in god. They believe that life has a time and purpose and that is here in the material world. They honor the earth. They do not fear it and they do not make excuses to offset their own insecurities.


nicely put.