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Edited by
Eljay
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Explain how it is they can't know. Christians worship a book as the "word of God". But that book has been shown to be so self-contradictive and self-inconsistent that it couldn't possibly be the word of any God. So whether or not "a God" might exist abstractly is irrelavent. What we can know is that the biblical account of God can't be true because the biblical stories are self-conflicting. I think atheists clearly have the upper hand when it comes to proof. Especially in light of the new Inflation theories that show how the universe could indeed start from nothing without violating the known laws of physics. There's no longer a need to have a God create it all from nothing. Your post does nothing to explain how a person can't know there is a God. And if there is any group of thinkers lacking proof to their beliefs - it's Atheists. They can do nothing to support their conjector that there is no God. Impossible to prove. Even you know that. I can't prove that Thor does not exist so does that mean he does? And Athiests do not have anything to prove because they are not the ones makeing the claim. Your not explaining how it is I can't know there is a God. Would you just rather retract your statement? again, You have no evidence what so ever so you can not know there is a god. Well and be honest anyway, but I doubt you will let that detail stand in your way of makeing claims.If you are religious then honesty and evidence are your enemy. I'm not "religious". What does that even mean? I believe there is a God - and I believe God. The evidence I have is that there are promises He makes in his word, and He fullfills them. That is my evidence. I actually have more evidence for God than I do for any president I've ever had - none of whom have been able to keep their word, as well as any employer I've had - and even most of my friends. None of whom have been able to keep their promises. That's enough evidence for me. He keeps His promises. So again I ask - how is it I cannot know there is a God? |
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Saying there is no God, would be equivilent to a cell in your colon saying that you don't exist.
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Eljay, Atheists are not in a position to have to prove anything. They make no claims other than the fact that they dont see the point in worship of a godhead. That would include any sort of mystical concept of a creator and not just the god of the bible. Its not as if they single out Christians. They do very often take the position however that people are routinely killed in the name of these world religions and they are fed up with that. So that being the case - Atheists do not have the upper hand in proving anything, since they don't have to. Which is the object of the statement of my original post. So you are agreeing with me then. That sounds as if you have done some miraculous twisting yet Atheists never took the upper hand as far as I know. Atheism, as an explicit position, can be either the affirmation of the nonexistence of gods, or the rejection of theism. It is also defined more broadly as an absence of belief in deities, or nontheism. In that sense, I would say that the Atheist has a much more solid foundation for believability. Unless you just want to take the position that you don’t care what others think in which case I don’t care what you think. You have no proof and you would require that. You have lost all credibility. |
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Edited by
Seamonster
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Sat 01/10/09 06:38 AM
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Explain how it is they can't know. Christians worship a book as the "word of God". But that book has been shown to be so self-contradictive and self-inconsistent that it couldn't possibly be the word of any God. So whether or not "a God" might exist abstractly is irrelavent. What we can know is that the biblical account of God can't be true because the biblical stories are self-conflicting. I think atheists clearly have the upper hand when it comes to proof. Especially in light of the new Inflation theories that show how the universe could indeed start from nothing without violating the known laws of physics. There's no longer a need to have a God create it all from nothing. Your post does nothing to explain how a person can't know there is a God. And if there is any group of thinkers lacking proof to their beliefs - it's Atheists. They can do nothing to support their conjector that there is no God. Impossible to prove. Even you know that. I can't prove that Thor does not exist so does that mean he does? And Athiests do not have anything to prove because they are not the ones makeing the claim. Your not explaining how it is I can't know there is a God. Would you just rather retract your statement? again, You have no evidence what so ever so you can not know there is a god. Well and be honest anyway, but I doubt you will let that detail stand in your way of makeing claims.If you are religious then honesty and evidence are your enemy. I'm not "religious". What does that even mean? I believe there is a God - and I believe God. The evidence I have is that there are promises He makes in his word, and He fullfills them. That is my evidence. I actually have more evidence for God than I do for any president I've ever had - none of whom have been able to keep their word, as well as any employer I've had - and even most of my friends. None of whom have been able to keep their promises. That's enough evidence for me. He keeps His promises. So again I ask - how is it I cannot know there is a God? if anyone says they know that leprechauns exist, they are just as valid as you saying you know your god does. So I guess on that level you can, because you have just as much evidence. |
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There is actually more evidence to support the existence of the Chupacabra than the god
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Edited by
davidben1
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Sat 01/10/09 10:46 AM
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the greatest issue with the knowing HOW text be true, is the PICTURE it actually paint, as it is so big and so good, if one is not reading it by defining each thing as either a good or evil.....
the same as self, being within the fish tank, cannot with it's mind, ever lift itself OUT of the tank, to look DOWN INTO IT, so all the fish, that are different than self, make it appear as not so good, lol....... no doubt text has been used to define WHO is good, and who is evil, what is good, and what is evil, when of course, primitive man to modern man, was simply awareness "growing up", or being added to, by living out both "good and bad"? would not awareness need both "points of reference", as in both doing good and bad? if awareness, need NOT JUST ONE HALF OF DATA, BUT BOTH SIDES, in all thoughts, words, and actions, lived out, to HAVE A BALANCED AWARENESS? text only say, when human came here, for more adding, it was without BOTH SIDES, so had pride, which what be pride, BUT SIMPLY THINKING SOMETHING, because of not knowing it in reality, so a "prideful perception", really innocence then? if one does not like a lie, did not one have to be lied to, then lie itself, feeling all aspects of a lie, not just come notion of lie is bad? how is not all "human life" as the same? it is most difficult for the "conscious mind" to know how it would not know, less it had seen the maximum proposed evil, and also the maximum proposed good, then "consciously lived out", CREATING AWARENESS, WHICH IS ALL TEXT IS DESCRIBING, until enough actual doing of these two opposite spectrums? as if, i am to KNOW, not just be told, what good is, then i must first FEEL the oppossite..... to know the better of not falling off the bike, to feel the joy of riding, without falling? but if one is constantly being pumped FEAR, of falling by others, it would be most righteouss, to tell them to shut the hell up, and let me learn, what YOU ALREADY HAD OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN? stop being a damn control freak, and stealing my JOY OF LEARNING? and, IF ONE REALLY BELIEVES THE WORDS OF THE POISON OF FEAR, this one now has UNHEALTHY FEAR, AND WILL FAIL MUCH MORE, the more, the more FEAR is ADDED, and religion LOVE to add FEAR? fundementalism? bigotry? distain? what create HATE? WHAT MAKE HATE? WHO CREATE HATE? all things MOST NOT GOOD, for the purest learning? it does not really matter IF anything within text is true or not, as this has no bearing on what is real or not real, true or not true? if it is heard, then seen thru such perception, then text is easily seen to be the same in principle of any parent, putting together a photo album, of a childs life, all that "felt" good, and all the "felt" bad? and this photo album, contain the coming and going of just normal people, of all the world, DISCOVERING, each for oneself, and all collectively, what was most good, by first doing what was not most good, OR WHAT MAKE ONE REALLY HAPPY? why is past days, of course, THEY DID NOT HAVE ALL OF HISTORY, AS WE DO, to see more what is good, so many time, bad others were killed, but these others, were trying to also kill? so WHO is most right? both are just learning, and the text only most tell the MINDS THOUGHTS, OF IT'S OWN ACTIONS, speaking this and writing it? being then most, WHAT THE MIND TOLD SELF, THE LAW, THEN WHAT THE HEART SAID? what did pious holy leaders use to enslave the peoples, creating DIVIDED PEOPLE, BY ALL WORDS? HATE? if we have people sneaking into homes, killing our women and children, should we leave them alone, saying TEXT SAY TO TURN THE OTHER CHEEK? did not text ALSO say "vengence is mine sayeth the lord"? did it not say the TRUTH IS LORD? and god is within, and truth come from god, so inner natural desire is GOD? subverted natrual desire, is turned to evil? text say that "god give the each the desires of their heart"? so the desire of the heart, is what one wish, BUT OTHERS CONVICE IT IS EVIL DESIRE, most onnly because they ARE AFRAID TO HAVE SEX, TO DRINK A BEER, TO GET ANGRY, TO DIVORCE ONE THEY ARE NOT HAPPY WITH, TO NOT GO TO CHURCH TO FIND GOD, WHEN TI SAY GOD BE WITHIN? everything being as turned around, TO MAKE A "TOP OF RIGHTEOUSS PEOPLE", to make others as satan, and the bottem? what did holy leaders speak then, the mind or the heart? so truth within, see NOT TO TURN THE OTHER CHEEK, in this situation? THIS BE WHY TEXT SAY, "the carnel mind wish for a sign, and why NO SIGN SHALL BE GIVEN"? what is the sign RELIGION SEEK? "HOLY ACTIONS"? this is WHAT RELIGION MAKE AS GOD, as the graven image, as what they call the GOLDEN RULE, THE GOLDEN CALF, saying do this, and you will be GOOD TO GOD? when THIS perception cannot ever even have ture MOST SANITY? it is a case by case, IN EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD? "what be sin for one, is not sin for another" so no def of sin possible, if in most wisdom, which be only most truth KNOWN AT THE TIME? does not a child easily think that HAPPY IS A WHOLE BAG OF MARSHMELLOWS? so does each thing born? but, when the child, ALLOWED INTENTIONALLY TO EAT THE WHOLE BAG, "IF" not told to eat the "whole bag" is WRONG, will ITSELF, monitoring it's OWN happiness, from body, mental, and energy or spirit, know what is better? perpetual awareness, with no ending or beginning, learns as this, so BOTH things as what human call good and bad, are OF VITAL INPUT INTO AWARENESS, to make such assessments? if it is real data, and REAL TO SELF, then it must be KNOWN BY LIVING IT? true reality? not some other's PROPOSED GOOD OR BAD? seems the CRITICAL REASON, text said "what is sin for one, is NOT sin for another"? just this ONE SENTENCE THEN, destroy notions of text being used to say WHO IS SINNING, WHAT IS SIN, AND WHO IS OF GOD, OR NOT OF GOD? but of course, it is readily apparent that this is what it has been used for, and WHY SUCH PRACTICES WERE CURSED BY THE BOOK? saying anyone that use it, to access WHO IS GOOD, AND WHO IS NOT, IS DAMNED TO IGNORANCE, BLINDNESS, OF WHAT THE "GOOD NEWS", OR fabulous picture of ultimate good is, AS IS NOT GOD SUPPOSED TO BE ULTIMATE GOOD, OR ECSTACY? ultimate bliss...... of course, it has been used to MAKE A BOTTOM, CURSING OTHERS, JUDGING OTHERS, to make and establish SELF AS A TOP? this is the very reason it was spoken "to try to save one's life, is to lose it, but to lay it down, is to gain it"? but the word "life" either as, or as not, is ONLY possible when HUMAN? as before or after this, LIFE IS NOT AS WE KNOW IT, ENDING AND BEGINNING, BUT IMMORTAL, OR NO BEGINNING OR NO ENDING, so to lose "life" while human, IS ONLY TO LOSE THE "FEELING" OF BEING MOST ALIVE, emotionally, physically, and these mixed together, then as spiritually? to FEEL GOOD IN THE BODY, AND IN THE MIND, TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME, BEING WHAT TEXT CALL "LIFTED UP"....... not seeing all things thru just good and bad, but as ONE....... without this, human life come to feel as stagnet, as not being "fun" anymore, as the persuit of JUST good, when ANYTHING HERE, IS PURPOSED TO "FEEL" BOTH, comes to "feel" as if one cannot find happiness, or perfect peace, or no ssatisfaction....... anywho, all who have mislead others to believe, that anything not matching thier own moral code, using text to do this, are said to be burned in hell, and can't get out, until all the one's they have stumbled, have decided to forgive them.... but then anyone who see others truly, knows they have done the same, so one only ALLOW another to continue such "suffering" as hell, until there is KNOWING that this is WHAT IT IS DOING? free will allowed to teach..... the same as seeing a child, who keeps beating up others at school, knowing this one, will need to get BEAT UP, to know HOW such feel, so to make text some law, that SHOULD FORGIVE, AS A LAW, is cursed from actual learning, as to forgive something, to not make it suffer the true reaction from others, is actually only DIGGING the pit of another as deeper..... text show how good and bad, is to be used for BOTH GOOD...... HOW CAN ANYTHING BECOME MORE AWARE, knowing both the good and bad feeling, to make true knowing, if one is KEPT by some law, from all bad, AS IF WHEN A CHILD, SMALL BAD, AS NOT GOOD, TEACHING CAUSE AND EFFECT, is allowed, and input into the conscious mind, this one will NEVER NEED to walk thru HUGE BAD? but the constant telling, of how SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF SELF, god said to be "inner self", is the GUIDE of good and bad, is as the most daming practice to any good learning spieces..... it is NOT USED IN ANY OF NATURE, ANY OF THE UNINVERSE ANYWHERE, but ONLY BY RELIGION? this BE WHY RELIGION WAS CALLED THE DRAGON, THAT BREATH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE? breath to speak and say such things, using not natural FEAR, BUT INPUTTING MORE UNNATURAL FEAR, to try to make good, was the only "satan" description given, calling such things as controlling, hypocrisy, double minded, self righteouss, mouths of serpents, and ALL THE MOUTHS OF SERPENTS TOGETHER, MAKING THE GREAT DRAGON? the thing that LOOK AND TELL SOMETHING, JUST LIKE IN THE BEGINNING OF THE STORY, OF ADAM AND EVE, THAT "IF" YOU DO THIS, YOU WILL SURELY DIE? the voice of logic and reason, complete this statment, as GOD WITHIN, as NOTHING FROM WITHOUT IS GOD, but satan, so ADAM AND EVE, or just MALE AND FEMALE, HEARD THIS IN THE MIND, and THOUGTH IT WAS GOD? but was it? jesus told the mind, that brought scriptures to him, TO TRY TO CONTROL HIS ACTIONS, and called this SATAN? so then it is clear, which be GOD, OR WISDOM, OR LOVE, AND WHICH BE SATAN, AND FEAR, AND IGNORANCE? this BE WHAT CREATE DOCTRINE, as what does doctrine CARE ABOUT OTHERS HAPPINESS, BUT ONLY WITH ITSELF AS RIGHT, and this, the holy perception that think ALL OTHERS ARE WRONG, and self is RIGHT, is damned and cursed, to simply NOT BEING ABLE TO FIND HAPPINESS? that is all, as this lack of happiness, make anything do what? not WANT TO LIVE, so then, LOSING THE ZEST AND LOVE OF LIFE, WHICH IS TO LOSE THE LOVE OF OTHERS, BY THIS DAMNED PERCPETION OF ALL OTHERS AS SOMEHOW LESS THAN SELF, which steal and rob all the love that is really inside, that truly wishes to love and dance and sing and hang out and enjoy others, but religion say, THEY ARE BAD? how this can be done, with no sight of it, when the greatest thing said, to find happiness, was to love the enemey, love the neighbor, is really the more difficult thing to understand, UNTIL IT IS SEEN, THAT WITHOUT FIRST DOING THIS, NOTHING COULD SEE THE BETTER OF NOT DOING IT, and that BOTH of these done for a time, IS NEEDED, for true self knowing, HOW TO NOT LET LOVE BE STOLEN, by some dogma, some creed, some religion, some idea, of holy leaders, just to try to make self good? WHAT UNITY, WHAT PEACE, WHAT UNDERSTANDING, WHAT LOVE, WHAT BROTHERHOOD, WHAT COMPASSION, WHAT CARING, WHAT KINDNESS, could ever come, IF ONE IS CONNECTED TO INNER SELF, WHICH BE LOVE, by saying I AM OF GOD, AND YOU ARE NOT? oh my god, that is no different tah saying, i am smart, and you are not? it seems to most be the definition of blind leading the blind, and it was spoken then as a good or bad state of being, AS GOOD OR EVIL, but WHAT it was, then HOW this could never make LOVE........ FUNDEMENTALISM....... a top to make a bottom, to LIFT SELF HIGH...... to debate text as true or not true, without any seeing what actually make happiness, which is good? but if anything wish to know god, humble thyself before GOD AND MAN? god and man is one, if text is applied to things? god said to "reside in the hearts of man"? satan said to be the way the "natural inclination" of the mind, to say of others, THEY ARE NOT GOD, OR FOLLOW GOD, BUT I DO? to say self be a "christian" and others are not? THE GREATEST DECEPTION TO BEFALL A INTELLIGENT SPIECES CALLED MAN........ OK, I BETTER SHUT UP, BEFORE HOLY LEADERS SEND THE MOD SQUAD TO KILL MY CHILDREN AND FRIENDS....... the only thing that kills, it one exposed to such crap, even thought is WILL MAKE GOOD IN THE END, but still, no good till crap it called for the **** it is, that DESTROY ALL LOVE AND UNITY... anywho, just ignorant dumb ideas by a devil........ |
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Explain how it is they can't know. Christians worship a book as the "word of God". But that book has been shown to be so self-contradictive and self-inconsistent that it couldn't possibly be the word of any God. So whether or not "a God" might exist abstractly is irrelavent. What we can know is that the biblical account of God can't be true because the biblical stories are self-conflicting. I think atheists clearly have the upper hand when it comes to proof. Especially in light of the new Inflation theories that show how the universe could indeed start from nothing without violating the known laws of physics. There's no longer a need to have a God create it all from nothing. Your post does nothing to explain how a person can't know there is a God. And if there is any group of thinkers lacking proof to their beliefs - it's Atheists. They can do nothing to support their conjector that there is no God. Impossible to prove. Even you know that. I can't prove that Thor does not exist so does that mean he does? And Athiests do not have anything to prove because they are not the ones makeing the claim. Your not explaining how it is I can't know there is a God. Would you just rather retract your statement? again, You have no evidence what so ever so you can not know there is a god. Well and be honest anyway, but I doubt you will let that detail stand in your way of makeing claims.If you are religious then honesty and evidence are your enemy. I'm not "religious". What does that even mean? I believe there is a God - and I believe God. The evidence I have is that there are promises He makes in his word, and He fullfills them. That is my evidence. I actually have more evidence for God than I do for any president I've ever had - none of whom have been able to keep their word, as well as any employer I've had - and even most of my friends. None of whom have been able to keep their promises. That's enough evidence for me. He keeps His promises. So again I ask - how is it I cannot know there is a God? if anyone says they know that leprechauns exist, they are just as valid as you saying you know your god does. So I guess on that level you can, because you have just as much evidence. Surely you can at least come up with a plausable analogy. And one of these posts maybe you'll answer my question. I doubt it though. Would you rather retract your statement? |
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the greatest issue with the knowing HOW text be true, is the PICTURE it actually paint, as it is so big and so good, if one is not reading it by defining each thing as either a good or evil..... the same as self, being within the fish tank, cannot with it's mind, ever lift itself OUT of the tank, to look DOWN INTO IT, so all the fish, that are different than self, make it appear as not so good, lol....... no doubt text has been used to define WHO is good, and who is evil, what is good, and what is evil, when of course, primitive man to modern man, was simply awareness "growing up", or being added to, by living out both "good and bad"? would not awareness need both "points of reference", as in both doing good and bad? if awareness, need NOT JUST ONE HALF OF DATA, BUT BOTH SIDES, in all thoughts, words, and actions, lived out, to HAVE A BALANCED AWARENESS? text only say, when human came here, for more adding, it was without BOTH SIDES, so had pride, which what be pride, BUT SIMPLY THINKING SOMETHING, because of not knowing it in reality, so a "prideful perception", really innocence then? if one does not like a lie, did not one have to be lied to, then lie itself, feeling all aspects of a lie, not just come notion of lie is bad? how is not all "human life" as the same? it is most difficult for the "conscious mind" to know how it would not know, less it had seen the maximum proposed evil, and also the maximum proposed good, then "consciously lived out", CREATING AWARENESS, WHICH IS ALL TEXT IS DESCRIBING, until enough actual doing of these two opposite spectrums? as if, i am to KNOW, not just be told, what good is, then i must first FEEL the oppossite..... to know the better of not falling off the bike, to feel the joy of riding, without falling? but if one is constantly being pumped FEAR, of falling by others, it would be most righteouss, to tell them to shut the hell up, and let me learn, what YOU ALREADY HAD OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN? stop being a damn control freak, and stealing my JOY OF LEARNING? and, IF ONE REALLY BELIEVES THE WORDS OF THE POISON OF FEAR, this one now has UNHEALTHY FEAR, AND WILL FAIL MUCH MORE, the more, the more FEAR is ADDED, and religion LOVE to add FEAR? fundementalism? bigotry? distain? what create HATE? WHAT MAKE HATE? WHO CREATE HATE? all things MOST NOT GOOD, for the purest learning? it does not really matter IF anything within text is true or not, as this has no bearing on what is real or not real, true or not true? if it is heard, then seen thru such perception, then text is easily seen to be the same in principle of any parent, putting together a photo album, of a childs life, all that "felt" good, and all the "felt" bad? and this photo album, contain the coming and going of just normal people, of all the world, DISCOVERING, each for oneself, and all collectively, what was most good, by first doing what was not most good, OR WHAT MAKE ONE REALLY HAPPY? why is past days, of course, THEY DID NOT HAVE ALL OF HISTORY, AS WE DO, to see more what is good, so many time, bad others were killed, but these others, were trying to also kill? so WHO is most right? both are just learning, and the text only most tell the MINDS THOUGHTS, OF IT'S OWN ACTIONS, speaking this and writing it? being then most, WHAT THE MIND TOLD SELF, THE LAW, THEN WHAT THE HEART SAID? what did pious holy leaders use to enslave the peoples, creating DIVIDED PEOPLE, BY ALL WORDS? HATE? if we have people sneaking into homes, killing our women and children, should we leave them alone, saying TEXT SAY TO TURN THE OTHER CHEEK? did not text ALSO say "vengence is mine sayeth the lord"? did it not say the TRUTH IS LORD? and god is within, and truth come from god, so inner natural desire is GOD? subverted natrual desire, is turned to evil? text say that "god give the each the desires of their heart"? so the desire of the heart, is what one wish, BUT OTHERS CONVICE IT IS EVIL DESIRE, most onnly because they ARE AFRAID TO HAVE SEX, TO DRINK A BEER, TO GET ANGRY, TO DIVORCE ONE THEY ARE NOT HAPPY WITH, TO NOT GO TO CHURCH TO FIND GOD, WHEN TI SAY GOD BE WITHIN? everything being as turned around, TO MAKE A "TOP OF RIGHTEOUSS PEOPLE", to make others as satan, and the bottem? what did holy leaders speak then, the mind or the heart? so truth within, see NOT TO TURN THE OTHER CHEEK, in this situation? THIS BE WHY TEXT SAY, "the carnel mind wish for a sign, and why NO SIGN SHALL BE GIVEN"? what is the sign RELIGION SEEK? "HOLY ACTIONS"? this is WHAT RELIGION MAKE AS GOD, as the graven image, as what they call the GOLDEN RULE, THE GOLDEN CALF, saying do this, and you will be GOOD TO GOD? when THIS perception cannot ever even have ture MOST SANITY? it is a case by case, IN EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD? "what be sin for one, is not sin for another" so no def of sin possible, if in most wisdom, which be only most truth KNOWN AT THE TIME? does not a child easily think that HAPPY IS A WHOLE BAG OF MARSHMELLOWS? so does each thing born? but, when the child, ALLOWED INTENTIONALLY TO EAT THE WHOLE BAG, "IF" not told to eat the "whole bag" is WRONG, will ITSELF, monitoring it's OWN happiness, from body, mental, and energy or spirit, know what is better? perpetual awareness, with no ending or beginning, learns as this, so BOTH things as what human call good and bad, are OF VITAL INPUT INTO AWARENESS, to make such assessments? if it is real data, and REAL TO SELF, then it must be KNOWN BY LIVING IT? true reality? not some other's PROPOSED GOOD OR BAD? seems the CRITICAL REASON, text said "what is sin for one, is NOT sin for another"? just this ONE SENTENCE THEN, destroy notions of text being used to say WHO IS SINNING, WHAT IS SIN, AND WHO IS OF GOD, OR NOT OF GOD? but of course, it is readily apparent that this is what it has been used for, and WHY SUCH PRACTICES WERE CURSED BY THE BOOK? saying anyone that use it, to access WHO IS GOOD, AND WHO IS NOT, IS DAMNED TO IGNORANCE, BLINDNESS, OF WHAT THE "GOOD NEWS", OR fabulous picture of ultimate good is, AS IS NOT GOD SUPPOSED TO BE ULTIMATE GOOD, OR ECSTACY? ultimate bliss...... of course, it has been used to MAKE A BOTTOM, CURSING OTHERS, JUDGING OTHERS, to make and establish SELF AS A TOP? this is the very reason it was spoken "to try to save one's life, is to lose it, but to lay it down, is to gain it"? but the word "life" either as, or as not, is ONLY possible when HUMAN? as before or after this, LIFE IS NOT AS WE KNOW IT, ENDING AND BEGINNING, BUT IMMORTAL, OR NO BEGINNING OR NO ENDING, so to lose "life" while human, IS ONLY TO LOSE THE "FEELING" OF BEING MOST ALIVE, emotionally, physically, and these mixed together, then as spiritually? to FEEL GOOD IN THE BODY, AND IN THE MIND, TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME, BEING WHAT TEXT CALL "LIFTED UP"....... not seeing all things thru just good and bad, but as ONE....... without this, human life come to feel as stagnet, as not being "fun" anymore, as the persuit of JUST good, when ANYTHING HERE, IS PURPOSED TO "FEEL" BOTH, comes to "feel" as if one cannot find happiness, or perfect peace, or no ssatisfaction....... anywho, all who have mislead others to believe, that anything not matching thier own moral code, using text to do this, are said to be burned in hell, and can't get out, until all the one's they have stumbled, have decided to forgive them.... but then anyone who see others truly, knows they have done the same, so one only ALLOW another to continue such "suffering" as hell, until there is KNOWING that this is WHAT IT IS DOING? free will allowed to teach..... the same as seeing a child, who keeps beating up others at school, knowing this one, will need to get BEAT UP, to know HOW such feel, so to make text some law, that SHOULD FORGIVE, AS A LAW, is cursed from actual learning, as to forgive something, to not make it suffer the true reaction from others, is actually only DIGGING the pit of another as deeper..... text show how good and bad, is to be used for BOTH GOOD...... HOW CAN ANYTHING BECOME MORE AWARE, knowing both the good and bad feeling, to make true knowing, if one is KEPT by some law, from all bad, AS IF WHEN A CHILD, SMALL BAD, AS NOT GOOD, TEACHING CAUSE AND EFFECT, is allowed, and input into the conscious mind, this one will NEVER NEED to walk thru HUGE BAD? but the constant telling, of how SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF SELF, god said to be "inner self", is the GUIDE of good and bad, is as the most daming practice to any good learning spieces..... it is NOT USED IN ANY OF NATURE, ANY OF THE UNINVERSE ANYWHERE, but ONLY BY RELIGION? this BE WHY RELIGION WAS CALLED THE DRAGON, THAT BREATH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE? breath to speak and say such things, using not natural FEAR, BUT INPUTTING MORE UNNATURAL FEAR, to try to make good, was the only "satan" description given, calling such things as controlling, hypocrisy, double minded, self righteouss, mouths of serpents, and ALL THE MOUTHS OF SERPENTS TOGETHER, MAKING THE GREAT DRAGON? the thing that LOOK AND TELL SOMETHING, JUST LIKE IN THE BEGINNING OF THE STORY, OF ADAM AND EVE, THAT "IF" YOU DO THIS, YOU WILL SURELY DIE? the voice of logic and reason, complete this statment, as GOD WITHIN, as NOTHING FROM WITHOUT IS GOD, but satan, so ADAM AND EVE, or just MALE AND FEMALE, HEARD THIS IN THE MIND, and THOUGTH IT WAS GOD? but was it? jesus told the mind, that brought scriptures to him, TO TRY TO CONTROL HIS ACTIONS, and called this SATAN? so then it is clear, which be GOD, OR WISDOM, OR LOVE, AND WHICH BE SATAN, AND FEAR, AND IGNORANCE? this BE WHAT CREATE DOCTRINE, as what does doctrine CARE ABOUT OTHERS HAPPINESS, BUT ONLY WITH ITSELF AS RIGHT, and this, the holy perception that think ALL OTHERS ARE WRONG, and self is RIGHT, is damned and cursed, to simply NOT BEING ABLE TO FIND HAPPINESS? that is all, as this lack of happiness, make anything do what? not WANT TO LIVE, so then, LOSING THE ZEST AND LOVE OF LIFE, WHICH IS TO LOSE THE LOVE OF OTHERS, BY THIS DAMNED PERCPETION OF ALL OTHERS AS SOMEHOW LESS THAN SELF, which steal and rob all the love that is really inside, that truly wishes to love and dance and sing and hang out and enjoy others, but religion say, THEY ARE BAD? how this can be done, with no sight of it, when the greatest thing said, to find happiness, was to love the enemey, love the neighbor, is really the more difficult thing to understand, UNTIL IT IS SEEN, THAT WITHOUT FIRST DOING THIS, NOTHING COULD SEE THE BETTER OF NOT DOING IT, and that BOTH of these done for a time, IS NEEDED, for true self knowing, HOW TO NOT LET LOVE BE STOLEN, by some dogma, some creed, some religion, some idea, of holy leaders, just to try to make self good? WHAT UNITY, WHAT PEACE, WHAT UNDERSTANDING, WHAT LOVE, WHAT BROTHERHOOD, WHAT COMPASSION, WHAT CARING, WHAT KINDNESS, could ever come, IF ONE IS CONNECTED TO INNER SELF, WHICH BE LOVE, by saying I AM OF GOD, AND YOU ARE NOT? oh my god, that is no different tah saying, i am smart, and you are not? it seems to most be the definition of blind leading the blind, and it was spoken then as a good or bad state of being, AS GOOD OR EVIL, but WHAT it was, then HOW this could never make LOVE........ FUNDEMENTALISM....... a top to make a bottom, to LIFT SELF HIGH...... to debate text as true or not true, without any seeing what actually make happiness, which is good? but if anything wish to know god, humble thyself before GOD AND MAN? god and man is one, if text is applied to things? god said to "reside in the hearts of man"? satan said to be the way the "natural inclination" of the mind, to say of others, THEY ARE NOT GOD, OR FOLLOW GOD, BUT I DO? to say self be a "christian" and others are not? THE GREATEST DECEPTION TO BEFALL A INTELLIGENT SPIECES CALLED MAN........ OK, I BETTER SHUT UP, BEFORE HOLY LEADERS SEND THE MOD SQUAD TO KILL MY CHILDREN AND FRIENDS....... the only thing that kills, it one exposed to such crap, even thought is WILL MAKE GOOD IN THE END, but still, no good till crap it called for the **** it is, that DESTROY ALL LOVE AND UNITY... anywho, just ignorant dumb ideas by a devil........ Although I was not raised with religious doctrine, today I'm starting to see how an almost automatic "doctrine" including "right" and "wrong" has seemed to be automatically inserted into my life programming... Although a well defined concept of God was not purposely taught directly to me by family, I learned of God that seemed to continuously be forsaking me. Throughout my young life (and also as an adult), situations occurred that painted a moving picture of either good or bad, either placing me on the "bad" end or "good" end. It seemed almost as if I absolutely HAD to determine my own fault or lack of fault in all cases. At around the ages of 3, 5, 7 and 9 some things happened that a very young girl would automatically conclude to be very bad. My automatic response was to see myself as directly related to and responsible for (as any child sees oneself at the center of the universe) these events as either the cause or victim of... Because I didn't yet have the vocabulary to articulate any of my assumptions to any adults, I developed my own private "truth"... my doctrine. Later in life, my study of Psychology only took me so far. Outside of perpetually attempting to find happiness in sex and romantic love, it seemed my relationship with "God" or any sense of Spiritual connection was the only direction left for me to turn. Perhaps just by being human, I automatically fell into the same pattern as any human naturally would, regardless of whether or not any religious dogma was involved. I continued to live my life through the years, feeling life coming at me in sometimes overwhelming doses while continuing to develop a sense of guilt and pride. The same so-called "fear of God" that someone raised on religion may have acquired, I too carried into each new life situation, deeming myself better than or less than another. Thus perpetuating my own feeling of misery and separation. Recently, I've been judging someone in my life as wrong and totally stupid for possibly bringing potential "bad" into his life by doing something that could ultimately lead to a lot of (legal) trouble. Long story short... I've been seeing this person as going in a bad direction and thinking I have some sort of responsibility to set him straight (as if I know better than him). Ultimately, I've been thinking that what he's entertaining is just (plain-old) wrong and that I'm better and smarter than him. Keeping silent about this doesn't seem to help anyone. Yet, I don't feel compelled to step up. Any number of so-called "good" excuses for deeming this guy stupid will never equalize the situation enough to bring any peace to anyone's heart. Perhaps his learning curve doesn't require any intervention. Who do I think I am, anyway? God? Well, if each one of us was God, don't you think it sure as Hell would help distribute some of this weight a little more evenly? LOL Couldn’t each one of us individuals be considered Fundamentalists? Don’t we all exhibit strict adherence to our own unique home-made principles (with or without Religion)? |
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Couldn’t each one of us individuals be considered Fundamentalists? Don’t we all exhibit strict adherence to our own unique home-made principles (with or without Religion)? I don't think so, personally. I am not stuck in any particular belief, so if some idea comes along that would help me in life, I will adopt that idea. When and if it no longer works for me I am open to another. Religion doesn't appear allow for this. If it does enlighten me. |
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Couldn’t each one of us individuals be considered Fundamentalists? Don’t we all exhibit strict adherence to our own unique home-made principles (with or without Religion)? I don't think so, personally. I am not stuck in any particular belief, so if some idea comes along that would help me in life, I will adopt that idea. When and if it no longer works for me I am open to another. Religion doesn't appear allow for this. If it does enlighten me. I'm not saying Religion will allow for this. I'm just expressing how, even without religion, I've still felt a pull to adhere to ideas of right and wrong. Guess I have noticed a feeling of being stuck at times in my own self-developed beliefs... even w/out religion. |
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Explain how it is they can't know. Christians worship a book as the "word of God". But that book has been shown to be so self-contradictive and self-inconsistent that it couldn't possibly be the word of any God. So whether or not "a God" might exist abstractly is irrelavent. What we can know is that the biblical account of God can't be true because the biblical stories are self-conflicting. I think atheists clearly have the upper hand when it comes to proof. Especially in light of the new Inflation theories that show how the universe could indeed start from nothing without violating the known laws of physics. There's no longer a need to have a God create it all from nothing. Your post does nothing to explain how a person can't know there is a God. And if there is any group of thinkers lacking proof to their beliefs - it's Atheists. They can do nothing to support their conjector that there is no God. Impossible to prove. Even you know that. I can't prove that Thor does not exist so does that mean he does? And Athiests do not have anything to prove because they are not the ones makeing the claim. Your not explaining how it is I can't know there is a God. Would you just rather retract your statement? again, You have no evidence what so ever so you can not know there is a god. Well and be honest anyway, but I doubt you will let that detail stand in your way of makeing claims.If you are religious then honesty and evidence are your enemy. I'm not "religious". What does that even mean? I believe there is a God - and I believe God. The evidence I have is that there are promises He makes in his word, and He fullfills them. That is my evidence. I actually have more evidence for God than I do for any president I've ever had - none of whom have been able to keep their word, as well as any employer I've had - and even most of my friends. None of whom have been able to keep their promises. That's enough evidence for me. He keeps His promises. So again I ask - how is it I cannot know there is a God? if anyone says they know that leprechauns exist, they are just as valid as you saying you know your god does. So I guess on that level you can, because you have just as much evidence. Surely you can at least come up with a plausable analogy. And one of these posts maybe you'll answer my question. I doubt it though. Would you rather retract your statement? that analogy works fine. So no, no retraction here. Maybe you would like to retract yours. |
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I dont see a problem with that analogy either. To a perosn who doesnt believe in all this, the concept of god being real is about as plausible as leprechauns existing. They might but no one can substantiate that and the bible simply makes it even more unlikely.
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Lovely racially inspired characterization on your profile there.That's sure not to upset anyone.
 You are throwing fuel on the fire with that kind of nonsense!
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Explain how it is they can't know. Christians worship a book as the "word of God". But that book has been shown to be so self-contradictive and self-inconsistent that it couldn't possibly be the word of any God. So whether or not "a God" might exist abstractly is irrelavent. What we can know is that the biblical account of God can't be true because the biblical stories are self-conflicting. I think atheists clearly have the upper hand when it comes to proof. Especially in light of the new Inflation theories that show how the universe could indeed start from nothing without violating the known laws of physics. There's no longer a need to have a God create it all from nothing. Your post does nothing to explain how a person can't know there is a God. And if there is any group of thinkers lacking proof to their beliefs - it's Atheists. They can do nothing to support their conjector that there is no God. Impossible to prove. Even you know that. I can't prove that Thor does not exist so does that mean he does? And Athiests do not have anything to prove because they are not the ones makeing the claim. Your not explaining how it is I can't know there is a God. Would you just rather retract your statement? again, You have no evidence what so ever so you can not know there is a god. Well and be honest anyway, but I doubt you will let that detail stand in your way of makeing claims.If you are religious then honesty and evidence are your enemy. I'm not "religious". What does that even mean? I believe there is a God - and I believe God. The evidence I have is that there are promises He makes in his word, and He fullfills them. That is my evidence. I actually have more evidence for God than I do for any president I've ever had - none of whom have been able to keep their word, as well as any employer I've had - and even most of my friends. None of whom have been able to keep their promises. That's enough evidence for me. He keeps His promises. So again I ask - how is it I cannot know there is a God? if anyone says they know that leprechauns exist, they are just as valid as you saying you know your god does. So I guess on that level you can, because you have just as much evidence. Surely you can at least come up with a plausable analogy. And one of these posts maybe you'll answer my question. I doubt it though. Would you rather retract your statement? that analogy works fine. So no, no retraction here. Maybe you would like to retract yours. Perhaps in your mind leprechauns are analogious to Jesus. That just demonstrates to me how little you know about Jesus. Once again - you demonstrate an incapabality to responding to the direct question of "How a person can't know God?". I've wasted enough time asking it - it's obvious you have no clue what the answer to your own statement is, so retracting your statement isn't necessary, you've easily disqualified yourself from having your opinion even considered. |
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I dont see a problem with that analogy either. To a perosn who doesnt believe in all this, the concept of god being real is about as plausible as leprechauns existing. They might but no one can substantiate that and the bible simply makes it even more unlikely. I'm not surprised. I don't suspect you know any more about Jesus than he does. |
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I dont see a problem with that analogy either. To a perosn who doesnt believe in all this, the concept of god being real is about as plausible as leprechauns existing. They might but no one can substantiate that and the bible simply makes it even more unlikely. I'm not surprised. I don't suspect you know any more about Jesus than he does. Yeah I guess I know about as much of Jesus as you know about Neanderthal man and basic Paleontology. The stuff they start teaching second graders. 
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I dont see a problem with that analogy either. To a perosn who doesnt believe in all this, the concept of god being real is about as plausible as leprechauns existing. They might but no one can substantiate that and the bible simply makes it even more unlikely. I'm not surprised. I don't suspect you know any more about Jesus than he does.   ... ...I see we're still pouncing... |
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double post
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double post sounds like a passing route in football...have you been stealing the signals young lady ?...lol |
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Thank you. I just wanted that filthy thing off. You arent a racist are you? Thats hideous.
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