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Topic: Your child is smoking pot
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Thu 03/05/09 04:24 AM

Yeah, but if they try pot...they are guaranteed to be addicted to harder drugs.ohwell grumble ohwell


That is bullsh*t...explode
That's like saying if you have a drink your guaranteed to be addicted.
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Thu 03/05/09 04:29 AM

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Thu 03/05/09 06:25 AM



Yeah, but if they try pot...they are guaranteed to be addicted to harder drugs.ohwell grumble ohwell


Unfounded claim, never been proven. Pot has never been definitely proven to be a gateway drug. Here, let me explain how it is labeled a gateway drug real quick: Gateway drug-a drug (as alcohol or marijuana) whose use is thought to lead to the use of and dependence on a harder drug (as cocaine or heroin); now we take a drug (the typical first drug a kids has is cough medicine) and we have this drug that we will call A. Now we have A, person ingests A and according to the theory of gateway drug person will move onto B, C, and D respectively.

Here is the trick, definition of drug: 1 aobsolete : a substance used in dyeing or chemical operations b: a substance used as a medication or in the preparation of medication caccording to the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (1): a substance recognized in an official pharmacopoeia or formulary (2): a substance intended for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease (3): a substance other than food intended to affect the structure or function of the body (4): a substance intended for use as a component of a medicine but not a device or a component, part, or accessory of a device
2: a commodity that is not salable or for which there is no demand —used in the phrase drug on the market
3: something and often an illegal substance that causes addiction, habituation, or a marked change in consciousness
— drug·gy also drug·gie \ˈdrə-gē\ adjective

Drug is defined as (2): a substance intended for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease (common cold). Therefore with the gateway drug theory, the true gateway drug would in fact be cough medicine...as I said before, they always start with cough medicine.


Wow. I guess nobody bothers to read my posts. I have numerous posts in this thread about how pot is NOT a gateway drug. I guess the sarcasm thing didnt work.

slaphead


Sorry, didn't read back. Either way though my post still stands as there are a few other people here that seem to believe pot is a gateway drug...more informative than outwardly attacking your post mate.

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Thu 03/05/09 07:44 AM
Fear,

Pot may not be the gateway drug, but it can open the gate door wider.

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Thu 03/05/09 02:11 PM
Edited by scorpio90 on Thu 03/05/09 02:15 PM




Yeah, but if they try pot...they are guaranteed to be addicted to harder drugs.ohwell grumble ohwell


Unfounded claim, never been proven. Pot has never been definitely proven to be a gateway drug. Here, let me explain how it is labeled a gateway drug real quick: Gateway drug-a drug (as alcohol or marijuana) whose use is thought to lead to the use of and dependence on a harder drug (as cocaine or heroin); now we take a drug (the typical first drug a kids has is cough medicine) and we have this drug that we will call A. Now we have A, person ingests A and according to the theory of gateway drug person will move onto B, C, and D respectively.

Here is the trick, definition of drug: 1 aobsolete : a substance used in dyeing or chemical operations b: a substance used as a medication or in the preparation of medication caccording to the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (1): a substance recognized in an official pharmacopoeia or formulary (2): a substance intended for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease (3): a substance other than food intended to affect the structure or function of the body (4): a substance intended for use as a component of a medicine but not a device or a component, part, or accessory of a device
2: a commodity that is not salable or for which there is no demand —used in the phrase drug on the market
3: something and often an illegal substance that causes addiction, habituation, or a marked change in consciousness
— drug·gy also drug·gie \ˈdrə-gē\ adjective

Drug is defined as (2): a substance intended for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease (common cold). Therefore with the gateway drug theory, the true gateway drug would in fact be cough medicine...as I said before, they always start with cough medicine.


Wow. I guess nobody bothers to read my posts. I have numerous posts in this thread about how pot is NOT a gateway drug. I guess the sarcasm thing didnt work.

slaphead


Sorry, didn't read back. Either way though my post still stands as there are a few other people here that seem to believe pot is a gateway drug...more informative than outwardly attacking your post mate.
Fear....brilliant analysis and I totally agree with you and see the point yr making. Drugs are drugs ...terms are terms...if people wanna' get high they're gonna' get high....how they choose to get high all depends on the user and what's around.....

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Thu 03/05/09 02:27 PM

Fear,

Pot may not be the gateway drug, but it can open the gate door wider.


If someone doesn't want to do heroin, they won't do heroin no matter the copious amounts of marijuana they use daily, weekly, monthly, or yearly...they simply will not move onto a bigger and harder drug because of marijuana. If they want to do heroin, they will do heroin.

I personally just don't agree with blackballing anything on the basis of "well, they'll do this now"...it cannot open the gate wider than the gate was already open, it does not push someone into harder drugs as it cannot control free-will and choices or decision making processes. It is simply not a gateway drug or anywhere near, I've brought forth plenty of evidence backing my claim...so far all I see is argument with no hard evidence. Bring me some sort of scientific study done on a large number of people that can nail marijuana down as a gateway drug, until then rely on the scientific studies that have been done that say it simply is not.

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Thu 03/05/09 02:29 PM


Fear,

Pot may not be the gateway drug, but it can open the gate door wider.


If someone doesn't want to do heroin, they won't do heroin no matter the copious amounts of marijuana they use daily, weekly, monthly, or yearly...they simply will not move onto a bigger and harder drug because of marijuana. If they want to do heroin, they will do heroin.

I personally just don't agree with blackballing anything on the basis of "well, they'll do this now"...it cannot open the gate wider than the gate was already open, it does not push someone into harder drugs as it cannot control free-will and choices or decision making processes. It is simply not a gateway drug or anywhere near, I've brought forth plenty of evidence backing my claim...so far all I see is argument with no hard evidence. Bring me some sort of scientific study done on a large number of people that can nail marijuana down as a gateway drug, until then rely on the scientific studies that have been done that say it simply is not.
GRAND-SLAMbigsmile

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Thu 03/05/09 02:36 PM
http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/study-say-marijuana-no-gateway-drug-12116.html -University of Pittsburgh independant study.
http://www.drugscience.org/sfu/sfu_gateway.html -A few different independant studies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gateway_drug_theory -The gateway drug theory, also note the top two slots being Tobacco, and Alcohol followed by cannabis.


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Thu 03/05/09 02:58 PM

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Thu 03/05/09 02:59 PM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Thu 03/05/09 03:04 PM
The main problem is that there are more myths about this substance then truth floating out there. I read the truth of that statement all over this thread.

The law is the last thing you should do to your own child. Not only will they judge him/her but they will judge YOU. You may even loose your child for doing what you think is the right thing . .. . who do you think is better equipped to help your child . . . you . . . or the government?


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Thu 03/05/09 03:10 PM
Edited by Rapunzel on Thu 03/05/09 03:15 PM



flowerforyou I know beyond a shadow of a doubt flowerforyou



smokin drinker smokin that my grown children smokin drinker smokin


drinker have careers way better than many people here drinker


flowerforyou drinker flowerforyou and yet two out of three flowerforyou drinker flowerforyou


smokin smokin smokin of my very very responsible Children smoke it with me smokin smokin smokin


noway sooooooooooo, to those of you who aren't there noway


flowerforyou please don't criticise what you don't understand noway


smokin I have smoked pot for over forty years smokin


frown & it has never been a gateway to anything else frown


drinker There are all kinds of people in this world drinker


frown some people are weak & will try anything & are compulsive abusers frown


flowerforyou and others have respect for themselves & don't abuse anything flowerforyou


























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Thu 03/05/09 03:18 PM

The main problem is that there are more myths about this substance then truth floating out there. I read the truth of that statement all over this thread.

The law is the last thing you should do to your own child. Not only will they judge him/her but they will judge YOU. You may even loose your child for doing what you think is the right thing . .. . who do you think is better equipped to help your child . . . you . . . or the government?





exactly.....drinker drinker drinker


noway i don't think any one should turn their children in for smoking potnoway


tears the negative repercussions are too numerous & painful to mention tears


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Thu 03/05/09 03:24 PM
Well I have to disagree.....because I did get caught up in a lot of drugs and Pot was the first at age 10, then drinking, then coke........so although for you not the case. The fact of the matter is I gladly gave it up over 18 years ago and can see life thought clear un-red eyes. Also kids played a huge part of that...what example are you setting for them....

And biggest factor H E L L O it's against the law.

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Thu 03/05/09 03:36 PM





flowerforyou coolbigsmile

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Thu 03/05/09 03:38 PM
flowerforyou I dont actually smoke pot but I dont have a problem with it.flowerforyou I think it should be legalflowerforyou I would have problems with my kids doing it as long as they lived with me, but I would NEVER call the cops on anyone smoking it.flowerforyou

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Thu 03/05/09 03:40 PM

I am very happy with my life and the lives of my Children

and we don't abuse our bodies like some people do and have

whether it be overeating or smoking cigarettes


or having affairs or illicit sex whether married or not



we just don't do it noway .


we regard ourselves as temples of God :angel:


just too too highly :thumbsup:


and no one is in the position to question that noway


you don't know how we consume it smokin


and i don't see any commandment of God :angel:


telling me not to use herbs, noway


but quite the contrary in fact.....laugh


and by the way ...flowerforyou


some people have not been reading the news drinker


it is not illegal for many people including me happy


and my Kids & many others we know all have legal certificates bigsmile bigsmile bigsmile bigsmile


and Obama called off the federales bigsmile bigsmile bigsmile bigsmile


cause he wants it legal too bigsmile bigsmile bigsmile




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Thu 03/05/09 03:43 PM
Not a bash so please reside from doing so.....It's just my opinion......that's it.....

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Thu 03/05/09 03:44 PM
huh huh huh huh huh


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Thu 03/05/09 03:50 PM
If Obama REALLY wanted to "stimulate" the economy...legalizing marijuana would be a damn good start. The taxes could help the economy AND it would create thousands of new jobs.

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Thu 03/05/09 03:55 PM
Possession of marijuana is a misdemeanor under California Health and Safety Code Section 11357. Possession of one ounce (28.5 gms) or less is punishable by a maximum $100 fine. Jail time is possible for larger amounts or for hashish, which is an optional felony ("wobbler"). However, under Prop 36, effective July 1, 2001, first- and second- time possession-only offenders may demand a treatment program instead of jail. Upon successful completion of the program, their conviction is erased. Possession (and personal use cultivation) offenders can also avoid conviction by making a preguilty plea under Penal Code 1000, in which case their charges are dismissed upon successful completion of a diversion program. Possession offenses are expunged from the record after two years under Health and Safety Code Sections 11361.5 and 11361.7.

Possession of one ounce or less in a vehicle while driving may also be charged under Vehicle Code 23222, which is treated identically to HSC 11357 B.

No arrest or imprisonment is allowed for possession of less than one ounce of marijuana. However, police often get around this provision by charging minor offenders with intent to sell (see below).

Marijuana defined. "Marijuana means all parts of the plant Cannabis sativa L., whether growing or not; the seeds thereof; the resin extracted from any part of the plant; and every compound, manufacture, salt, derivative, mixture, or preparation of the plant, its seeds, or its resin. It does not include the mature stalks of the plant, fiber produced from the stalks, oil or cake made from the seeds of the plant, any other compound, manufacture, salt, derivative, mixture, or preparation of the mature stalks (except the resin extracted therefrom), fiber, oil, or cake, or the steilized seed of the plant which is incapable of germination" (H&SC 11018).

Possession with intent to sell any amount of marijuana is a felony under Health and Safety Code 11359. Police often charge intent to sell if they see such indicia as: scales, cash, multiple packages, "commercial" packaging materials, "excessive" quantity, pay-owe seets, address books, pagers, etc.

Cultivation of any amount of marijuana is a felony under Health and Safety Code 11358. People who grow for personal use are eligible for diversion under Penal Code 1000 so long as there is no evidence of intent to sell. There are no fixed plant number limits to personal use cultivation.

Medical marijuana: Medical patients and their designated primary caregivers may legally possess and cultivate, but not distribute or sell, marijuana under Health and Safety Code 11362.5 (Prop 215) if they have a physician's recommendation or approval.

Sale, transportation or distribution of marijuana is a felony under Health and Safety Code Sections 11360. Transporting or giving away one ounce or less is a misdemeanor punishable by a maximum $100 fine.

Sale or distribution to minors is a felony under Health and Safety Code 11361.




Anyone can say medically using but whether true or not different story.....Not legal otherwise.

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