Topic: Opinions about 9-11
AdventureBegins's photo
Wed 04/18/07 08:10 PM
I have no need of your million.

What I earn in life I have earned on my own merits. I live a simple
life and prefere it that way.

Fanta46's photo
Wed 04/18/07 08:12 PM
I was a grunt. 1/4 Inf. Fiori Kazerne..

Fanta46's photo
Wed 04/18/07 08:14 PM
We got to guard a lot.. LOL
Almost as much as we were in the field. We spent over 200 days a year in
the field in those days..
M60A1 battle Tanks for the Armor and M113's for us..

no photo
Wed 04/18/07 09:37 PM
I never served. I have a condition resemblind diabetis. They wouldn't
let me in.


And that photo I showed you was ONE OF THE ORIGINAL INFORMATION PHOTOS.
It's as uncontested as the tapes of the Tower as they collapsed.


And your "scientist" who claims it couldn't have fell that fast is a
moron. The bottom part, the part that started collapsing first, fell
much slower than the top. Like approximately half the speed. And the
fall itself took approximately 40 seconds to hit the ground, regardless.
The top took almost a minute to hit the ground. Which is actually
slightly slower than free-fall. Close, but not quite. And that's in
video evidence.

As to the fire- those towers are constructed of a metal that gives way
at a lower temperature- I told you that already. No normal fire could
have burned it, of course, but it could be burned. Plus concrete
shatters at tempuratures of approximately 1500 degrees. Because the air
pockets inside it start expanding, and the pressure buildup means "pop".
So the enforced concrete starts breaking- and the steel beams ultimately
end up holding more weight than they were ever designed to.

Not to mention- fires "burn" at their minimum tempurature- but they can
heat the area around them considerably more. A wood fire can't burn at
any more than 300 degrees. But if you set an unfurnished wooden cabin on
fire, the internal tempuratures can reach excesses of 600 degrees. Any
forensic scientist on fires could have told you that. All I did was ask
the local fire department's expert on this crap.

Can you find an "expert" who is clearly not blowing it out his ass?

no photo
Wed 04/18/07 09:44 PM
PS- the wood we're refering to is essentially low-quality pine. Other
woods (even good pines) tend to burn at hotter tempuratures. Just so you
don't try to quote, say, maple or oak temps. The point is, the internal
tempuratures can far exceed the burning temp of the materials.

The differential gets exponentially lower as the burning temp of the
material goes up. So jet fuel probably still couldn't reach the melting
point of steel. But we've already established- it doesn't have to. It
doesn't even have to get CLOSE.

no photo
Wed 04/18/07 09:49 PM
PPS- and before you do something REALLY stupid and point out that
concrete barricades around atomic reactions.... that's not building
concrete- it's a special blend that's a lot stronger, and lacks air
pockets- many times over more durable. It's also almost twice as heavy.
If you make a skyscraper with that stuff, well, the building would
destroy itself out of weight alone. No planes or explosions necessary,
thanks.

ShadowEagle's photo
Thu 04/19/07 10:26 PM
9/10/2001 I work as a Armed Guard for Armored Car Division.

I was inside of a Computer store on 37th. and 5th ave Compusa.

The Premier Of Israel came into the store not with the regular Secret
Service that the U.S Embassy provides. He has a special group known as
the Musaad with him ( Secret Police). They asked me if i was Jewish and
i asked them why they needed to know. So I played stupid and said:
"Yes". They told me not to come to work tomorrow. I asked them
why...They said Trust me you don't want to be around the area at all.

So you want to know what i think.

Remember the Alleged Ringleader of the Hijackers Mohamed Atta....An
elite US military program also had Mohamed Atta and the other alleged
ringleaders under surveillance for years before September 11th, and
identified them as members of an al-Qaeda "Brooklyn Cell" plotting an
attack in the United States. One year before 9/11, military superiors
forced the "Able Danger" team to standdown and destroy the evidence they
had gathered. This revelation makes mincemeat of The 9/11 Commission
Report and the official FBI timeline of the alleged hijackers'
movements. The whistleblowers have been placed under a gag order and
subjected to harrassment by the Pengtagon.

THE WARGAMES OF SEPTEMBER 11th"
The US government drilled responses to every aspect of the September
11th events long in advance, and even held rehearsals for hijacked
planes hitting the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. On the morning
of September 11th itself, the US military conducted a set of related
wargames that were prepared long in advance of that date, and had been
re-scheduled from their original date in October. By "coincidence,"
several of these wargames mimicked the entire plot of the 9/11 events,
including the scenario of multiple hijackings of civilian planes, planes
crashing into important government buildings, and a major terrorist
attack on New York City requiring high-level emergency management. The
behavior of US military authorities that morning, from Bush down, the
routes chosen by the diverted flights and the failed air defense
response to the unfolding plot do not suggest mere incompetence, but
rather indicate a treasonous design by people in charge of the military.
Were the wargames of September 11th the means by which the plot was
carried out and covered up?

As the day dawns over the East Coast on September 11th, 2001, the US
Strategic Command headquarters at Offutt Air Force Base in Nebraska is
on full alert, busily dispatching warplanes around North America in a
rehearsal for Armaggedon.

Stratcom directs the US nuclear arsenal. A number of interrelated
air-defense wargames are underway around the country, under the overall
umbrella of Global Guardian. This is the designation for the annual
combined exercises run by Stratcom in conjunction with the US Space
Command and NORAD, the North American Aerospace Defense Command. The man
officially in charge of Global Guardian is Admiral Richard Mies,
Stratcom's commander-in-chief.

The crash-bombings of New York City and Washington unfold starting at
around 8:15 am, when Flight 11 out of Boston ceases communications with
ground stations and diverts radically from its planned route. The
often-contradictory official accounts are more or less in agreement that
the diversions of Flight 175 and Flight 77 began about 27 and 41 minutes
later, respectively.

Ample evidence gathered from mainstream news sources and compiled by
Thompson in the new timeline entries indicates that the wargames served
to confuse and stymie air defense response to the simultaneous
crash-bombings. Although Thompson avoids conclusions and merely presents
a long series of verifiable facts, confusion appears to have been the
exact result intended by at least some of the wargame planners. This was
already a central thesis of Mike Rupperts's 2004 book Crossing the
Rubicon (click here for a summary), but Thompson's timeline update adds
new pieces to the puzzle.

Thompson cites multiple reports (see 8:30 am) indicating that Global
Guardian is normally held in October, and that the run-through in 2001
was in fact originally scheduled for late October and then re-scheduled
for early September at some point after March 2001. Who made that
scheduling decision? That may be the most crucial question of all in
determining the criminal culpability for 9/11 among US officials.

In the period after March 2001, military planners discussed various
possible exercises that would have involved hijacking simulations,
including live-fly (FTX) exercises using real planes with actors playing
passengers. It is known that the idea of rehearsing air defense against
a hijacked plane aimed at the Pentagon was at least temporarily
considered in April 2001 and postponed. Meanwhile, the planners of
Amalgam Virgo II were discussing a simulation for simultaneous
hijackings of passenger planes out of Utah and Vancouver, with military
people and FBI agents acting in the roles of passengers and hijackers.
As of spring 2001, Amalgam Virgo II was scheduled for July 2002.

The idea was hardly new. A mass casualty (MASCAL) exercise of the
Pentagon's command and emergency services, using the scenario of a plane
hitting the building, had already been conducted by hundreds of
personnel at the Pentagon in October 2000. Two clinics at the Pentagon
rehearsed the same script in May 2001.

All this activity, combined with the many past precedents of kamikaze
attack attempts using civilian planes, completely demolish the lie
frequently propagated by Condoleezza Rice and Donald Rumsfeld that "no
one could have imagined" simultaneous hijackings or planes used as
weapons against buildings. (See "Bush, Rice and the Genoa Warning")

But a more ominous question obviously presents itself: Were any of these
hijacking scenarios under discussion that spring finally incorporated
into the scripts for the wargames of September 2001?

The story of Global Guardian and the breakfast activities of its
director Mies has long been in the public domain, published on military
news sites and the Omaha press among other venues. But until recently
the vast-but-scattershot investigations of the last four years by the
hundreds of 9/11 researchers working cooperatively via the Internet had
missed these snippets.

As the timeline relates, Mies was having breakfast on the morning of
9/11 with a group of business leaders, as part of a charity event hosted
by Offutt Air Force Base and sponsored by Warren Buffett, the
second-richest man in the United States. We have no way of knowing what
communications Mies was receiving about the crisis that began at 8:15,
but soon after 8:46 am, the entire party would have learned that a plane
had crashed into the North Tower of the World Trade Center. Mies
remained with the civilians until after they all heard that the second
WTC Tower had also been hit. (The second crash occurred at 9:03 am.)
Based on the new timeline entries, it is apparently only then that Mies
went to his command post, and that Global Guardian and related wargames
were suspended.

Mies thus joins the growing list of men in key positions at the top of
the US military chain of command who managed to absent themselves from
any decision-making capacity during the opening hour of the 9/11
crash-bombings. That list includes:

George W. Bush, who asked his staff chief Andrew Card for no
clarification on the whispered message that "America is under attack"
(9:05), but instead remained seated, listening to children read in a
classroom, until around 9:16; and whose large White House entourage
remained in the Florida school until 9:34.

Gen. Richard Myers, the acting Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff,
who says he heard about the first crash, thought it was an accident,
went into a Senate meeting, and only became aware of the second crash
just a few minutes before the Pentagon was hit at 9:37.

Donald Rumsfeld, who was sought for an hour by the Pentagon command
center and first appeared there at around 10:30 am, according to The
9/11 Commission Report.

Gen. Montague Winfield, head of the National Military Command Center at
the Pentagon, who on the evening of Sept. 10th arranged to be replaced
on his scheduled shift the next morning for the two hours starting at
8:30 am by his rookie deputy, Capt.Charles Leidig (since promoted to
admiral).

(See "AWOL Chain of Command")

Is all of this attributable to nonchalance? At what point are we allowed
to discern a pattern in the behavior of the men who topped the military
chain of command and who were responsible for responding to the
unfolding events?

Rumsfeld's case is particularly flagrant, given that he had signed off
on a June 1, 2001 Pentagon order that for the first time inserted the
Secretary of Defense into the chain of response for issuing military
intercept orders for errant planes. His story is that he reacted to news
of the first and second WTC crashes by continuing his routine morning
briefings, and that after the Pentagon was hit (at 9:37 or 9:41 am,
depending on which official timeline one prefers), he decided to assist
in rescue efforts instead of taking his place at the command center.

The official story of 9/11 holds that four passenger planes were
diverted and that none of them were intercepted for reconnaissance and
response, which constitutes a massive and unprecedented failure of
standard operating procedures. The story of how and why that happened
has changed repeatedly since 9/11, and no official has ever been held
accountable for the failures. On the contrary, many of the key figures
involved received promotions, among them Myers, who was confirmed in
that position soon after 9/11, and Gen. Ralph Eberhart, the NORAD
director who was appointed to head the new Northern Command (since
retired).

During the last four years we have seen a plethora of contradicting
timelines and testimonies presented by NORAD, the US Air Force (in its
official history Air War Over America), the Federal Aviation
Administration (FAA), press reports citing official sources, and,
finally, The 9/11 Commission Report. Each of these versions of what
happened on 9/11 was upheld in its turn for months or years without
revision. The contradictions mean that at least some of the responsible
officials must have been promoting falsehoods, but again, no move has
been made to hold anyone accountable for that.

Already in the first year after 9/11, when next to nothing was known
about the exercises, researchers skeptical of the official story
developed the hypothesis that wargames could have been used as the
device to subvert standard operating procedures and allow the attacks to
proceed unmolested. A wargame pretext can allow false-flag attacks to be
rehearsed or prepared without arousing suspicion; and divert resources
or block communication lines on Day X. After the fact, the idea that the
wargames were subverted by Arab hijackers with inside information (or a
lot of luck!) might serve as a military-fiasco story (read: piece of
wishful thinking) that engenders embarrassment and silence among that
vast majority of US military people who were not involved in any
conscious wrong-doing or facilitation of the 9/11 events.

Hard evidence for the hypothesis first began surfacing in August 2002,
when it was revealed that the CIA had scheduled an evacuation drill at
the National Reconnaissance Office on the morning of Sept. 11, based on
the script of an "errant plane" hitting the NRO headquarters. The drill
was cancelled when the real-world events began, and most of the NRO
staff, who control the military-intelligence establishment's
surveillance satellites, were sent home. One man who helped plan the
drill, John Fulton, actually put it on his resume as an example of his
prescience.

The Kean Commmission hearings occasionally touched upon past exercises
(also compiled, to far more devastating effect, in Thompson's new
timeline), but entirely avoided the issue of the wargames on Sept. 11
itself. These were finally mentioned in a single note to The 9/11
Commission Report (Chapter 1, Note 116). This acknowledged only a "cold
war"-style exercise, and was based entirely on a brief quote from
Eberhart. He claimed that the exercises enhanced air defense response,
an incredible statement given the failures to intercept. While quoting
Eberhart that "it took about 30 seconds" to make the adjustment from the
wargames to the ongoing real-world situation, the note significantly
avoids specifying the time when the wargames were suspended.

The known NORAD wargames of 9/11, which were apparently incorporated
into the larger framework of Global Guardian, include Northern Guardian,
Vigilant Guardian and Vigilant Warrior. The most innocent-seeming of
these, Northern Guardian was announced in advance and dispatched air
force assets to the Arctic Circle in response to the Russian maneuvers
also scheduled for that day. (The NORAD press release of 9/9/01 is still
online.)

However, Vigilant Guardian appears to have scripted simulated attacks
within the continental United States. NORAD personnel in Rome, New York
who received first reports of hijackings within NORAD'S Northeastern
sector, including Col. Robert K. Marr and Lt. Col. Dawne Deskins, are
reported to have asked if this was "real world or exercise." This
implies that the scenarios for the wargames on September 11 were
strikingly similar to the actual attacks that unfolded that morning--as
was the supposedly unrelated CIA/NRO exercise.

How much strain can a "coincidence hypothesis" sustain before it becomes
untenable?

As reported by the wire service Newhouse News (1/25/02):

At 8:40, Deskins noticed senior technician Jeremy Powell waving his
hand. Boston Center was on the line, he said. It had a hijacked
airplane.

"It must be part of the exercise," Deskins thought.

At first, everybody did. Then Deskins saw the glowing direct phone line
to the Federal Aviation Administration.

On the phone she heard the voice of a military liaison for the FAA's
Boston Center.

"I have a hijacked aircraft," he told her.

Six minutes later, at 8:46, the wargames were still causing confusion,
apparently in the form of a craft (or at least a radar-blip) thought to
be heading for JFK Airport in Queens: "Deskins ran to a nearby office
and phoned 1st Air Force Chief Public Affairs Officer Major Don Arias in
Florida. She said NEADS had a hijacked plane no, not the simulation
likely heading for JFK."

So much for Eberhart's "30 seconds" to adjust to real-world events.
Again, the new supporting evidence provided by Thompson suggests that no
move was made to suspend the wargames until well after the second crash
at 9:03 am, by which time the worst of the attacks had occurred and the
Pentagon flight was well under way.

The use of "injects" (phantom blips projected onto radar screens
electronically) is a technique employed to test the defending side in
air defense exercises (Toronto Star, 12/09/01, see 9:00 am). The US
military has over the decades developed many counter-command and
counter-control techniques for jamming and confusing enemy radar
installations, as well as stealth technologies. Did the wargames also
use such techniques against the FAA, as a test of its response to
potential hijackings? If such an element was scripted into the wargames,
military units likely would have had child's play in causing confusion
among unsuspecting air traffic controllers.

A lengthy passage in The 9/11 Commission Report describes one case of
confusion at the FAA: the false information, propagated well after 9 am,
that Flight 11 had not crashed into the first Tower at 8:46, but was in
fact still alive and proceeding south over New Jersey. The Commission
says this caused the FAA to request fighters from Langley Air Force Base
in Virginia to fly towards New Jersey instead of to Washington, where
Flight 77 was headed.

The report says the Commission was unable to reconstruct how this
information entered the FAA system and leaves things at that, without
noting that of necessity, fighters can only be vectored to a known
location, i.e. the "Phantom 11" flight must have corresponded to an
actual unknown blip on the FAA radar that was not caused by any of the
other hijacked flights, and was therefore either a real aircraft or an
"inject."

Let us recall that FAA head Jane Garvey and Richard Clarke, among
others, testified to at least 11 different suspected hijackings at
various points during the crash-bombings. With so many assets diverted
to wargames, only eight jets were left for a total of four possible
interceptions (since they are dispatched in pairs). The number of jets
kept ready exclusively for such emergency services had been reduced
earlier that year.

Response would have been further complicated by the presence of radar
blind-spots after the FAA began dismantling certain primary radar
installations in 1999, which means that there were areas where Flights
11, 77 and 93 would have been temporarily invisible, after their
transponders stopped broadcasting. It is more than curious that both
Flight 11 and Flight 93 took long detours away from their supposed
targets, during which they passed through such areas.

Reconstructing what really happened among civilian air traffic
controllers may be impossible. An invaluable store of evidence--tapes of
recollections by the air traffic controllers in Long Island who handled
the two New York crash flights, taken on the afternoon of Sept. 11--was
destroyed in an intimidating fashion by a federal official (New York
Times, 5/6/04).

Vigilant Warrior, the most mysterious wargame of all, is mentioned only
in a direct quote attributed to Myers by former counterterrorism chief
Richard Clarke in his 2004 book, Against All Enemies. The NORAD wargame
denomination "Warrior" specifically indicates a "live-fly" exercise
(Ruppert, Crossing the Rubicon, 2004, citing NORAD spokesperson Don
Arias, who lost his brother on Sept. 11). The contrast of Vigilant
Guardian to Vigilant Warrior not only suggests related exercises, but a
red team and a blue team paired as enemies. It has led many researchers
to speculate whether one or more of the actual 9/11 crash flights was
scripted into a "warrior" scenario that suddenly turned "real."

In the timeline, Thompson covers Vigilant Warrior as follows:

9:28 a.m.: Myers Updates Clarke Videoconference on Fighter Response
Counterterrorism "tsar" Richard Clarke, directing a video conference
with top officials, asks Joint Chiefs of Staff Vice Chairman Richard
Myers, "I assume NORAD has scrambled fighters and AWACS. How many?
Where?" Myers replies, "Not a pretty picture, ****. We are in the middle
of Vigilant Warrior, a NORAD exercise, but ... Otis has launched two
birds toward New York. Langley is trying to get two up now [toward
Washington]. The AWACS are at Tinker and not on alert." Vigilant Warrior
may be a mistaken reference to the on-going war game Vigilant Guardian.

Thompson's last comment is unwarranted. Note that the ellipsus after
Myers's statement, "We are in the middle of Vigilant Warrior, a NORAD
exercise, but ..." occurs in the original of Clarke's book, the
publication of which was delayed for months due to a prolonged vetting
process by the CIA and White House. This indicates a redaction by the
CIA or White House censors.

What did Myers tell Clarke about Vigilant Warrior that the censors did
not want us to know?

This is one of the most sensitive passages in Clarke's book, and it is
hard to believe it was not among the most scrutinized. Would the censors
have allowed such a mistake to be published, with all its implications
for the official story? Clarke's precise statement of the time in the
same passage (9:28 am) is unusual in the book, and suggests extreme care
about this point.

This is not surprising, because Clarke must have been aware that the
passage contradicts Myers's own accounts of what he was doing at 9:28
am. According to Clarke, Myers is surrounded by generals and colonels at
a video conference; according to Myers, he would have just been leaving
his meeting with Senator Max Cleland and learning about the second WTC
crash for the first time.

In March 2005, Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-GA) gained a confused but
revealing admission from Gen. Myers when he testified to the Armed
Services Committee (alongside Rumsfeld) that NORAD was holding at least
four different exercises on the day. "But they were two CPXs" or
command-post exercises (not involving actual planes), he hastened to
add. A moment later, two exercises turned into three, then four: "There
was one Department of Justice exercise that didn't have anything to do
with the other three; and there was an actual operation ongoing because
there was some Russian bomber activity up near Alaska..." The
"operation" refers to Northern Guardian, as an actual response to the
Russian maneuvers. That leaves three other exercises, and Myers clearly
evades the question of whether one of these involved live-fly aircraft
simulating attacks within the lower 48 states.

Myers then hopped away from the question without explaining what any of
these exercises were actually doing.

(The "Department of Justice exercise" may be a reference to Tripod II, a
simulation of a biowarfare attack on New York City due to be held at
Pier 92 on Sept. 12. After the evacuation of WTC Building 7, Pier 92 was
instead used as the mayor's command center for the emergency.)

As Committee Chairman Duncan Hunter moved to block her, McKinney pressed
on. Myers resorted to echoing Eberhart's claim that the wargames
actually enhanced defense response:

CMK: Let me ask you this, then: who was in charge of managing those
wargames?

DH: General, why don't you give the best answer that you can here in a
short a period of time and we'll - the gentlelady wants to get a written
answer anyway, and then we can move on to other folks.

RM: The important thing to realize is that North American Aerospace
Defense Command was responsible. These are command post exercises; what
that means is that all the battle positions that are normally not filled
are indeed filled; so it was an easy transition from an exercise into a
real world situation. It actually enhanced the response; otherwise, it
would take somewhere between 30 minutes and a couple of hours to fill
those positions, those battle stations, with the right staff officers.

CMK: Mr. Chairman, begging your indulgence, was September Eleventh
declared a National Security Special Event day?

RM: I have to look back; I do not know. Do you mean after the fact, or

CMK: No. Because of the activities going on that had been scheduled at
the United Nations that day.

RM: I'd have to go back and check. I don't know.
Transcript

McKinney pursued the Secret Service angle because she was aware that
under the conditions of a National Security Special Event (which might
have been declared in advance due to the convening of the General
Assembly in New York), the Secret Service takes on extraordinary
executive powers that supercede those of military authorities.

Myers appears to pass the buck to Eberhart, head of NORAD, but makes no
mention of Global Guardian and the larger framework of exercises
headquartered out of Offutt Air Force Base. This may be an incendiary
point because Offutt was, of course, the place where George W. Bush and
his entourage went after they finally took off from Florida. It seems
like a logical destination during a crisis (or a coup d'etat), because
Stratcom is well-secured and commands the nuclear arsenal. But before
proceeding there, Bush also stopped at Barksdale Air Force Base,
Louisiana, a further important node within the Global Guardian exercise.
This trail also seems to lead back to the wargames.

While at Offutt, Bush held the teleconference with his war cabinet that
decided on the guilt of Osama Bin Ladin and the global doctrine of a war
on terror to be formulated at his speech that evening after returning to
the White House. **** Cheney, Rumsfeld, CIA Director George Tenet,
Clarke, Rice and other principals were patched in as Bush sat, with
Andrew Card on one side and Admiral Mies on the other
As long as Myers himself mentioned an apparently related exercise not
under the direct purview of NORAD, we should note that the Army was also
conducting an exercise in the New York area, at Fort Monmouth Army Base
in New Jersey, about 50 miles from the World Trade Center. Timely Alert
II scripted a possible biochemical attack on the base, which was
therefore closed to outsiders starting at 9 am. Thompson summarizes as
follows:

Soon after 9 a.m., the exercise director tells a group of participating
volunteers that a hijacked plane has crashed into the World Trade
Center. The participants pretend to be upset, believing this is just
part of the simulation. When they see the live televised footage of the
WTC attacks, some people at the base think it is an elaborate training
video to accompany the exercise. One worker tells a fire department
training officer: "You really outdid yourself this time." Interestingly,
the follow-up exercise held in July 2002 (Timely Alert III) does
incorporate simulated television news reports to give participants the
impression that the emergency is real.

Perhaps it is significant that Fort Monmouth is the headquarters of the
Army's Communications-Electronics Command (CECOM), which among its
duties handles the communications channels for the Secret Service.

The base is also home to the 754th Explosive Ordnance Disposal Company,
headed on Sept. 11 by Capt. Richard J. Spanard. A newsletter of his
college society, Beta Tau, innocently reveals that he was at the WTC
that morning: "On the morning of September 11, he was enjoying breakfast
at a deli 50 feet from the World Trade Center twin towers when the first
plane hit. General hysteria inundated the deli. Spanard decided that he
and the three soldiers with him should move to number 7 World Trade
Center, where they had a scheduled meeting." Wonder what that meeting
was about? (Thanks to John Horne's WTC 7 page for the catch.)

Spanard's unit was deployed to Ground Zero soon after - charged with
finding and clearing any possible explosives in the rubble.

And that is the tip of the iceberg to date. How many different scenarios
did the combined wargames rehearse on that day, and who wrote them? Who
was aware of which parts? How many elements of the actual 9/11 scenario
did the wargames of Sept. 11 include in one or another script? (Who can
still believe that the inclusion of such elements was entirely
coincidental? Especially given the countless stories of attack
foreknowledge and forewarnings, which we have not covered here.) And who
were the anonymous true "maestros" of the wargames, i.e. the ones who
held command stations while the ostensible commanders-in-chief were busy
dallying elsewhere? The softball (or non-existent) treatment by the 9/11
Commission and other investigations to date of the known principals in
the day's events--Myers, Rumsfeld, Bush, Winfield, Mies, Eberhart, Rice,
Tenet et al., even Clarke--never allowed that such questions were
conceivable.

The wargames appear to have been a dominant factor during the first hour
of the attacks, until their suspension after 9:03. But a simple
circumvention of air defense by wargames confusion does not explain what
happened in the next phase, when the Pentagon was hit despite ample
warning and Flight 93 went down in Pennsylvania. Suffice to say that at
least one central character has yet to be mentioned here: **** Cheney.
And in the case of his activities during the Sept. 11 crash-bombings, we
have direct testimony (once again, ignored by the 9/11 Commission) from
a man who was in the same room during the second phase of the events:
Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta.

For reading that goes into the issues involving Cheney and Mineta's
testimony


AdventureBegins's photo
Thu 04/19/07 10:35 PM
'9/10/2001 I work as a Armed Guard for Armored Car Division.

I was inside of a Computer store on 37th. and 5th ave Compusa.

The Premier Of Israel came into the store not with the regular Secret
Service that the U.S Embassy provides. He has a special group known as
the Musaad with him ( Secret Police). They asked me if i was Jewish and
i asked them why they needed to know. So I played stupid and said:
"Yes". They told me not to come to work tomorrow. I asked them
why...They said Trust me you don't want to be around the area at all'

OMGOSH.... Yes the Premier of Israel was shopping at a Compusa store
the day before an attack... And broke security by speaking to a puke in
an armor car uniform. HEHHEHEHEHEHEHEHE

since you mr. armed guard were so priviliged as to be in the know about
Able Danger and buddy buddy with this Premier I guess you must be
qualified to explain to us all why he just did not send one of his many
Aides to do his shopping for him.

no photo
Thu 04/19/07 10:47 PM
its something that bush and his buddies cooked up!!

ShadowEagle's photo
Fri 04/20/07 01:36 AM
Gee whiz and Good Golly Ms> Molly if you ever did a head count the
majority of the people in the world trafe center who were killed weren't
jews. The ones that were either disregarded the warning as a joke or
relied on this great country of ours to prevent it from happening.
Adventure begings obviously yours never began cause it already finished.
Closed minded idiots.

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Fri 04/20/07 04:27 AM
check out scholars for 911 truth...or pilots for 911 truth...

anyone who takes the time to look at the evidence knows
it was an inside job..to me it's a no brainer..
noway grumble bigsmile

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Fri 04/20/07 06:56 AM
yeah you make an absolutely outrageous claim and then attempt to paint
me as an idiot. Do you really think the people that read this drivel
are that stupid?

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Fri 04/20/07 08:55 AM
I think some of them will be. I'm certainly not. What you just claimed
is ABSURD. Although, technically, you're right. Almost none in the
towers were jews. Althouhg, that's to be expected, considering how low
the jewish population is in New York.

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Fri 04/20/07 06:24 PM
how low the jews populations is the majority getting federal aide and
food stamps are jews.

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Fri 04/20/07 06:26 PM
Actually, the majority getting food stamps/etc. are the destitutely
poor. Which statistically is african americans. If you're going to be
racist, at least say something that isn't obviously a lie.

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Fri 04/20/07 06:46 PM
Poeit and artist.


why do you follow me and others around and troll us?

I have put up dozens of links and quotes, just debate the facts, please,
please.

of go for the 3 million dollar rewards that will give you or others a
million if you can prove the 911 governments story about 911 on 3
different areas.

These rewards have been up for years and backed by bonds.

the reason they havent any takers is because you cant do it.

please read or re-read the original thread.

I understand your a security gaurd, but since when has this government
or security prevented anything including this last school shooting,
where all the victims could not own guns and the swat teams hid behind
trees and the college securty guys waited for hours before doing
anything.

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Fri 04/20/07 07:15 PM
The information ShadowBush posted would have been classified. therefor
if he is presenting it (or should I say if it is true) he has broken the
secrets act.

If this was the case he would not be posting it cause he would allready
have agents knocking at his door.

Ladies and Gentlemen the US government does not air transcripts of
command room chatter during Military Exercises for AT LEAST 11 YEARS
afte the exercise has been terminated or completed.

Things like that are CLASSIFIED so that an enemy or potential enemy can
not use the information during an actual situation.

Please do not let a faceless person sway you away from common sense.

How do I know what I know. During my military carreer I was at one time
the NCOIC of a Classified Document Control Facility.

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Fri 04/20/07 07:39 PM
Why the hell can't the opposing view here post thier thoughts instead of
pasting in crap from other sites?

And they call us mindless followers....

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Fri 04/20/07 07:40 PM
I don't troll. I just like the current events page. And you provide all
kinds of obvious and blatant lies to cut into. So, I do. It's, at least
in part, my nature.

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Fri 04/20/07 08:04 PM
Oh, and people have tried for that "reward"- they were rebuffed by bad
science and all-out lies. I'd be no different. People who can't accept
the truth because they're conspiracy nutjubs sure as HELL aren't going
to accept the truth when it'll cost them millions of dollars.