http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/9_11_-_all_the_proof_you_need.html

Some things are so disturbing that they are almost impossible to
believe. That is why, in the 9/11 enigma, less is more.

Until these questions are answered there is no need to establish more
doubt. What we have here is solid undisputed evidence that we were never
told the truth.

Before you read this article, conduct this test. Try to purchase some
stock, or some futures, a mutual fund or some put options, without
providing your identity. Go ahead and try it! See if you get anywhere.
Find out what happens when you tell the investment firm that you want to
make a huge investment anonymously. It can’t be done.

Then ask yourself this question: How could someone have placed anonymous
put options on American Airlines and United Airlines just prior to the
attacks of 9/11? Then ask yourself why no one has investigated this
suspicious deal. Ask yourself why there has been no attempt by the US
government to identify the person who anticipated huge profits from a
disaster that was yet to occur. Is it because the trail possibly leads
to the CIA?

Then wonder about the collapse of Building 7 on the day of the attacks.
Ask yourself why the owner of the building allowed the building to be
pulled down (intentionally demolished) hours after the Twin Towers fell.
Pulling down a building takes weeks of planning and preparation so that
explosives can be safely positioned and wired. Not so in this case.
Wonder why.

If you have any doubts at all about the official 9/11 story, then the
answers to these questions are all the proof you need that something is
very, very wrong!

Independent 9/11 researchers have worked nonstop since the events to
examine the events of 9/11 and they have uncovered enough information to
seriously challenge the official versions of what happened on that
fateful day. But maybe, just maybe, the very fact that massive amounts
of information are available is a problem in itself. There may be far
too much evidence for most Americans to face.

The challenges to the official stories may be too devastating to be
processed by the average American who has spent a lifetime believing in
the system. Many people can deal with the minor violations that are part
of the political scene, but cannot possibly fathom a government that
might be complicit in an attack on its own people. They are not unlike
the parents who eventually come to terms with a child’s shoplifting
spree. The same parents would do anything to deny far more serious
accusations. Imagine the response of parents whose son turns out to be a
Timothy McVeigh.

Some things are so disturbing that they are almost impossible to
believe. That is why, in the 9/11 enigma, less is more. There is a real
danger of frightening everyone off by offering too much information.
Therefore, if we think of the problem as a chess game, two strategic
moves can lead to checkmate.

There are two pieces of the 9/11 puzzle that on their own expose the
lies of the administration.

Two questions must be raised so that even the most diehard Bush
supporters realize they have been deceived. These are issues that no one
can debate or dismiss. These are not conspiracy theories. They are
fact-based questions that can lead to exposing the deceptions in the
official reports. The apologists have no way to explain these away or
justify them. Basically, they offer clear evidence that the official
explanations of 9/11 are meaningless.





1. THE COVER UP

Someone had foreknowledge of the attacks. In the weeks leading up to
9/11 someone made a series of investments that would have paid off in
huge profits because of the attacks. This is well documented and
undisputed. This person specifically invested in the two airliners used
in the attacks, anticipating windfall profits from any drop in the stock
prices of these companies. This is solid evidence that at least one
person in the United States had detailed information that something bad
was going to happen to the specific airlines that were to be used in the
attack.

We have been told that the person who made these investments never
claimed the profits. We are expected to believe that this explains why
his or her identity is unavailable. This is absolutely untrue. This is
not an instance in which someone was waiting to pick up a package at an
airport locker. This is a case of a financial institution processing an
investment transaction for an individual. This CAN NOT BE PERFORMED
ANONYMOUSLY! The identity of this person who had foreknowledge of the
attack is know and this person’s identity is being protected by our
government and this is a fact! Period, end of story.

WHO MADE THE INVESTMENT? Identify this person and you have someone who
very probably had detailed foreknowledge of the events. The fact that
the profits were never collected is even more suspicious and
incriminating. The fact that the identity of this person remains unknown
is even more suspicious. The only possible conclusion is that this
person is known to the government and that his or her identity is being
protected.

There has been a clear and concerted cover up regarding the person who
tried to profit from events he or she knew were coming. The people who
could easily clear this up, but who chose to close any further
investigation into the matter are not underlings. They are officials who
answer directly to the President of the United States. Check.

2. BUILDING 7

On September 11th, Towers One and Two collapsed after suffering direct
hits by airliners. Building 7 was neither hit by an airliner nor damaged
severely by flying debris, but at 5:20 p.m. it collapsed in the exact
same accordion style of the other two towers. The official explanation
by FEMA investigators claimed that WTC 7 fell as a result of burning for
7 hours.

Several weeks after the events of 9/11, Larry Silverstein, the new owner
of the WTC was interviewed on TV. At this time he openly acknowledged
the decision to pull Building 7. This was a public statement in which
the owner of the WTC agreed to the destruction of the building.

This decision was never explained and was never questioned by the Kean
Commission. The conflicting report of the FEMA investigators was also
never explained. Pulling a building requires weeks, if not months of
preparation. Explosives have to be carefully and strategically placed
and wired. How was it possible to pull a building without first
preparing for its demolition?

Larry Silverstein invested $386 million in WTC 7. On 9/11, by his own
admission, Larry Silverstein ordered the demolition of his building. In
February of 2002, his company won a settlement of $861 million from
Industrial Risk Insurers. Do the math. No one investigated. This is a
confession to the demolition of Building 7. Let me repeat that, THIS IS
A CONFESSION! Checkmate.

Until these questions are answered there is no need to establish more
doubt. What we have here is solid undisputed evidence that we were never
told the truth. We have solid evidence that the official investigation
stopped short of delving into questions that could have supplied
answers. We have solid proof that something is very, very wrong.

There is a mountain of unanswered questions concerning the events
surrounding the 9/11 attacks. Anyone willing to listen or look at the
inconsistencies would have to draw an obvious conclusion: the official
explanation of the events of 9/11 is nothing more than a desperate
attempt to distract the American people from investigating the truth.
There can be no denying that there are a number of strange and puzzling
occurrences that have never been, and seemingly cannot be explained.

I have worked with steel in the past.

I am no engineer so I would like someone, anyone to post the following
information if they would please.

the melting point of steel.

The temprature at which steel loses its hardness and can SLUMP.

How much weight was present on the floors above the strike point of the
aircraft.

The temprature at which jet fuel burns.

I am tired of watching propaganda I would like to see facts and don't
send me to another website post what you have and I will check it myself
by my sources. I don't trust yours.

Youtube is about as secure as the wikki. anyone can post anything.

One point. Is it possible that the contractor that built the Twin
Towers did not put in the required amount of steel (contractors take
short cuts all the time).

I would love you to back up what you say about the links I provided.

Tell me where they are wrong other than telling us you dont like the
soundtrack.

Back up what you say....

To be more spacific you said they were propaganda sites.

Can you give me more details please?


also, You Tube is just a site for others to post there videos and such.
You Tube doesnt push anything, there like an art museume, just a place
to show the paintings.

I said a lot more than I did not like the sound tracks. Ever watched a
claritin D comercial.

It starts out fuzzy and when the hit the Buy me sequence it get clear.

Because you missed it I will post it again.

'Just about all of them were PROPAGANDA. With factual pictures
delibrately out of focus and the points they were trying to make sharply
focused. Claritin D would have been proud.'

I stand by my statement. Anyone who is not caught in the video but
instead looks at how it was made can see exactally what I am talking
about.

This type of propaganda is targeted at people who look at the trees and
miss the forest.

At least I am posting from my own knowledge and not the web musings of
someone with money (Money must make money therefore an agenda exists).

Some of these videos were very well researched I will give the authors
that much.

However, to me, the information is immediately suspect because of the
method in which it is presented.

ok, so bad music and bad focus, what else.


By the way the lady that made 911 mysteries has never made a dime.

Also the "kids" 19 year olds that made LC have never made a dime either.

Now what about Mr. Jones and his hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of
questions about this governments story about 911? no comment?

I was thinking the same thing. Like where the steel beam had obviously
been cut. That guy made out like this had been done by explosives, but
it was obvious that the rescue crews and heavy equiptment had already
been in there searching for survivors. It probably had been cut with a
torch to remove another twisted peice that was unsafe or in the way of
the rescue crews. No prove that it wasnt????

home about another fact.

1 The Bush family and Osama family our busniess partners going back
almost 30 years.

2 Marvin Bush was head of security at the WTC buildings when 911
happened. go google it


These are just 2 of the over 600 things/problems that make you wonder.

And you never addresed these 400+ men and women with credentials who
dont buy this governments story...
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/


Is this propaganda too? and how so?


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http://www.physics911.net/closerlook

Melting Steel


What About the Fires?
The official story maintains that fires weakened the buildings. Jet fuel
supposedly burned so hot it began to melt the steel columns supporting
the towers. But steel-framed skyscrapers have never collapsed from fire,
since they’re built from steel that doesn’t melt below 2750 degrees
Fahrenheit. No fuel, not even jet fuel, which is really just refined
kerosene, will burn hotter than 1500 degrees Fahrenheit.
Steel-framed skyscrapers have never collapsed from fire.

It’s also odd that WTC7, which wasn’t hit by an airplane or by any
significant debris, collapsed in strikingly similar fashion to the Twin
Towers. There wasn’t even any jet fuel or kerosene burning in WTC7.

According to the 9-11 report by the Federal Emergency Management Agency
(FEMA), "the specifics of the fires in WTC7 and how they caused the
building to collapse remain unknown at this tim."

Aside from its startling nonchalance, this statement makes a rather
profound assumption. Again, no building prior to 9-11, in the 100-plus
year history of steel frame buildings, had ever collapsed from fire.

The flattened ruins are WTC1 and WTC2 (in the middle), and WTC7 (at the
bottom)

This fact was known to firemen. Hence their unflinching rush up into the
skyscrapers to put out the fire. Partly it was bravery, to be sure, but
partly it was concrete knowledge that skyscrapers do not collapse due to
fire. Yet after 100 years, three collapsed in one day.

Did the FEMA investigators not think to ask the New York City Fire
Department how they thought the fire started, or how the fires could
have caused the astounding, historical collapse? This would seem to be
an elementary step in any investigation about a fire. Instead, they
chose to leave the cause of the collapse “unknown.”


Conclusion
So if the science in this article is correct (none of it goes beyond the
tenth grade level), then we know that the floors of the three WTC
buildings were not pancaking but were falling simultaneously. We also
know that fire is an insufficient explanation for the initiation of the
collapse of the buildings.

Why, then, did the three WTC buildings fall?

There is a method that has been able to consistently get skyscrapers to
fall as fast as the three buildings of the World Trade Center fell on
9-11. In this method, each floor of a building is destroyed at just the
moment the floor above is about to strike it. Thus, the floors fall
simultaneously ? and in virtual freefall. This method, when precisely
used, has indeed given near-freefall speed to demolitions of buildings
all over the world in the past few decades. This method could have
brought down WTC7 in 6.5 seconds. This method is called controlled
demolition.

A controlled demolition would have exploded debris horizontally at a
rapid rate. A controlled demolition would also explain the fine,
pulverized concrete powder, whereas pancaking floors would leave chunks
of concrete. Controlled demolition would also explain the seismic
evidence recorded nearby of two small earthquakes, each just before one
of the Twin Towers collapsed. And finally, controlled demolition would
explain why three steel skyscrapers, two of which were struck by planes
and one of which wasn’t, all collapsed in essentially the same way.


The massive energy required to pulverize concrete into microscopic dust
suggests the use of explosives
Ongoing Questions
But having established that all three WTC towers had to have been
assisted in their failures, I asked myself, Who could have planted the
explosives to blow up the buildings in a controlled demolition? Could
fundamentalist Muslim fanatics have gotten the plans for those
buildings, engineered the demolition, and then gotten into them to plant
the explosives?

This seemed improbable. And after learning that WTC7 housed the FBI,
CIA, and the OEM, it seemed impossible. Then I thought, Why would
terrorists engineer a building to implode? Wouldn’t they want to cause
even more damage to the surrounding buildings and possibly create more
havoc and destruction from debris exploding away from the building? And
if they’d planted explosives in the buildings, why would they have
bothered hijacking and flying planes into them? Perhaps WTC7 was
demolished to destroy evidence that would answer these questions. To
this day, I don’t know. But this is how I began to question the official
story about 9-11.

Recently I learned that President Bush’s brother, Marvin Bush, is a part
owner of the company that not only provided security for both United and
American Airlines, but also for the World Trade Center complex itself. I
also discovered that Larry Silverstein, who had bought the leasing
rights for the WTC complex from the NY/NJ Port Authority in May of 2001
for $200 million, had received a $3.55 billion insurance settlement
right after 9-11 - yet he was suing for an additional $3.55 billion by
claiming the two hits on the towers constituted two separate terrorist
attacks! He stood to make $7 billion dollars on a four month investment.
Talk about motive.

In conclusion, I’ll repeat myself. None of the many 9-11 researchers can
definitively say exactly what happened on that fateful day in September
almost 3 years ago. But any sensible person can easily spot dozens of
inconsistencies in the official story that is being forced upon us. And
the fact is, most of the available 9-11 evidence points to at least some
level of government complicity or foreknowledge.

Please, read more for yourself. Don’t take my word for it. Most of all,
do not buy the double-speak that visible politicians and the media use
to discount any question about 9-11. Clearly, there are no "conspiracy
theories”surrounding 9-11. The official story itself affirms that there
was obviously some kind of conspiracy. It’s just a question of which
conspiracy occurred. We know it wasn’t mere coincidence that several
hijackers happened to be on several different airplanes and happened to
hijack them at the exact same time and happened to pick the World Trade
Center as a target. The real question is, "Who was involved in the
conspiracy?”

Dave Heller, who has degrees in physics and architecture, is a builder
and engaged citizen in Berkeley, California.

The puffs coming out the sides of the building as it collapsed, he said
were charges going off, couldnt one floor collapsing on another cause
air to be forced out in the same manner. The guy says over and over that
such a building failure has only happened three times in history. So
what does he have to prove his case other than one says so building
demolition expert. The guy says a building collapsing on its own would
not gather speed, it would slow down. Hmmmmmm, Im no scientist but
wouldnt momentum and increased weight make such a collapse impossible to
stop, and instead gain momentum and speed. I watched the video, as you
can tell, and saw nothing convincing, but instead would rate it
somewhere close to cult propaganda.

and bear it is the bin Laden family. no nothing really surprising about
an oilman knowing one of the members of the most powerful family in the
oil-rich country of Saudi Arabia. He is probably not the only politician
in the world to know them either.

well theres 599 questions to go, so get busy.

This guy doesnt believe this governments story and he was on the 911
commission....go figure, maybe hes full of propaganda too.



Senator Max Cleland – Former member of the 9/11 Commission, resigned in
December 2003. Currently serves on the board of directors of the
Export-Import Bank of the United States. U.S. Senator from Georgia 1997
- 2002. Secretary of State of Georgia 1982 - 1996. Administrator of
the U.S. Veterans Administration 1977 - 1981. Captain, U.S. Army
awarded Silver Star and Bronze Star for bravery in Viet Nam. Triple
amputee from war injuries.

New York Times Article 10/26/03: "As each day goes by, we learn that
this government knew a whole lot more about these terrorists before
Sept. 11 than it has ever admitted." http://www.commondreams.org


Boston Globe Article 11/13/03: "If this decision stands [to limit access
to White House documents], I, as a member of the [9/11] Commission,
cannot look any American in the eye, especially family members of
victims, and say the Commission had full access. This investigation is
now compromised." http://www.


Salon Article 11/21/03: Regarding the 9/11 Commission "It is a national
scandal." http://dir.salon.com


Resigned from the 9/11 Commission, 12/03, after having served on it for
12 months. Former Senator Bob Kerrey from Nebraska was selected to
replace him. The 9/11 Commission Report was issued 7 months later.


Transcript of audio interview 3/23/04: "One of these days we will have
to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America.
But this White House wants to cover it up."
http://www.democracynow.org


Bio: http://memory.loc.gov

I did not say BAD focus I said DELIBRATELY fuzzy focus on some items
with SHARP focus on those items they were trying to make a point with.
I am not critical of you. Please do not twist my words. It is a tactic
I hope is benieth you.

I also did not say bad music. The music was VERY professional in the
ones I watched. Professional to the point of being expensive.
Professional to the point of having emotional links to the video so that
when they were trying to make a point the music was helping to draw
attention to that point. Music can be a powerful tool in propaganda.
You should know that our government uses the same tactics. Every
government on this earth does and has since WW2.

What else you asked.

Facts were windowed and partially animated within the video frames in
such a way as to draw the eye to points being made by the narrator.
Background was animated in multiple overlays within the video frame to
assist the narrator in the same way.

In some of them the voice track is augumented with low frequency sound.
If you don't beleive me check it out yourself.
The best knowledge comes from independent investigation. I gave you the
chance by going to some of the places you posted. Give me the same
chance. Find an independent, unbiased video expert and check it out.

You were right about one thing viewing these videos got me way fired up.

Some of these videos were quite expensive to make.

You have stated in other threads that some of the people speaking out
made nothing off these videos. This I believe. But in order to produce
the videos and market them to web sites someone is making a profit.
Profit drives the web. Very little of it is free.

fair enough,

what about these

32 sec video of Bush http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5I7NFracPU

42 sec video of the "boogie man"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41UAnkQARFs

90 sec FOX NEWS video; no plane hit the Pentagon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSZG3a8F-YM&mode=related&search=

60 sec CNN NEWS video; no plane hit the Pentagon
http://thewebfairy.com/911/pentagon/


its only a couple of minutes, whats your take on these, if you dont
mind.

They were selling T-shirts and caps werent they?
I kept getting the felling that I was watching an indoctranation film
for a cult. Now I think the music did have that inspiration quality to
it. Good observation ad.
Ok, now how many more questions do we have left??

I dont see one unbiased source on your list bear.
Sorry man, I would love to believe you, because I believe in my soul
that GW is a liar and trying to hijack the American people, but This is
too far out in left field for me..

just what thing did you watch?

It was called 911 mysteries about the twin towers.


599


another non believer out of over 400+

Congressman Ron Paul, MD – 9-term Congressman from Texas, 1979 - 1985,
1997 - present. Member of the House Financial Services Committee, the
International Relations committee, and the Joint Economic Committee. On
the Financial Services Committee, he serves as the Vice Chairman of the
Oversight and Investigations subcommittee. 1988 Libertarian Party
candidate for President. Former Flight Surgeon, U.S. Air Force.

Audio interview The Alex Jones Show 1/18/07: "Dr. Ron Paul, Texas
Congressman exploring a run for President, appeared on The Alex Jones
Show Wednesday and had the following to say about 9/11:

Caller: I want a complete, impartial, and totally independent
investigation of the events of September 11, 2001 . I'm tired of this
bogus garbage about terrorism. Ask Michael Meacher about how he feels
about this bogus war on terrorism. Can you comment on that please?

Congressman Paul: Well, that would be nice to have. Unfortunately, we
don't have that in place. It will be a little bit better now with the
Democrats now in charge of oversight. But you know, for top level policy
there's not a whole lot of difference between the two policies so a real
investigation isn't going to happen. But I think we have to keep pushing
for it. And like you and others, we see the investigations that have
been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation of
what went on." http://www.total911.info

Bio: http://www.house.gov/paul/bio.shtml

This guy doesnt believe this governments story and he was on the 911
commission....go figure, maybe hes full of propaganda too.



Senator Max Cleland – Former member of the 9/11 Commission, resigned in
December 2003. Currently serves on the board of directors of the
Export-Import Bank of the United States. U.S. Senator from Georgia 1997
- 2002. Secretary of State of Georgia 1982 - 1996. Administrator of
the U.S. Veterans Administration 1977 - 1981. Captain, U.S. Army
awarded Silver Star and Bronze Star for bravery in Viet Nam. Triple
amputee from war injuries.

The only thing I see this guy say is that they didnt get all the
information, and thaat he thought the investigation was compromised. He
doesnt say he doesnt believe the story.