bearandwhiskey, I have noted that you keep bringing up boxcutter's as
though they would not be dangerous. Think of yourself as strapped in a
seat witha displays which require your full attention before you.
Someone comes in and places the blade of a boxcutter to your neck. Trust
me, it will do the job as well as a K-Bar.

Wow. I learned something today. It turns out that airplanes of any jet
style *DISINTIGRATE* in high-speed collisions against metal and/or
concrete. There are many studies, worldwide, mostly focused on how a
plane would behave if it hit a nuclear reactor. Including declassified
USSR stuff that have been around for decades. So the fact that we found
no solid pieces is not only not suspicious- but it'd be suspicious if we
DID find larger pieces.


And if we were faking the plane strikes- you'd think we'd include
sneaking a few large parts in. If we can get hundreds of tons of high
explosives, we could get part of a wing in.

war vets that are pilots dont give up Boeing 757s to kids with
box-cutters.


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Lt. Col. Guy S. Razer, MS, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Retired U.S. Air Force
fighter pilot (F-111, F-15E, F-16, B-1, F-18, Mig-29, and Suu-22). Flew
combat missions over Iraq. Former instructor at the USAF Fighter
Weapons School and NATO’s Tactical Leadership Program. 20-year Air
Force career.
Statement to this website 3/25/07: "After 4+ years of research since
retirement in 2002, I am 100% convinced that the attacks of September
11, 2001 were planned, organized, and committed by treasonous
perpetrators that have infiltrated the highest levels of our government.
It is now time to take our country back.

The "collapse" of WTC Building 7 [610 feet tall, 47 stories, and not hit
by an airplane] shows beyond any doubt that the demolitions were
pre-planned. There is simply no way to demolish a 47-story building (on
fire) over a coffee break. It is also impossible to report the
building’s collapse before it happened, as BBC News did, unless it was
pre-planned. Further damning evidence is Larry Silverstein's video
taped confession in which he states "they made that decision to pull
[WTC 7] and we watched the building collapse."

We cannot let the pursuit of justice fail. Those of us in the military
took an oath to "support and defend the Constitution of the United
States against all enemies, foreign and domestic". Just because we have
retired does not make that oath invalid, so it is not just our
responsibility, it is our duty to expose the real perpetrators of 9/11
and bring them to justice, no matter how hard it is, how long it takes,
or how much we have to suffer to do it.

We owe it to those who have gone before us who executed that same oath,
and who are doing the same thing in Iraq and Afghanistan right now.
Those of us who joined the military and faithfully executed orders that
were given us had to trust our leaders. The violation and abuse of that
trust is not only heinous, but ultimately the most accurate definition
of treason!"


Member: Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice Association Statement:
"Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice is a non-partisan organization
consisting of independent researchers and activists engaged in
uncovering the true nature of the September 11, 2001 attacks."


Member: Pilots for 9/11 Truth Association Statement: "Pilots for 9/11
Truth is an organization of aviation professionals and pilots throughout
the globe that have gathered together for one purpose. We are committed
to seeking the truth surrounding the events of the 11th of September
2001. Our main focus concentrates on the four flights, maneuvers
performed and the reported pilots. We do not offer theory or point
blame. However, we are focused on determining the truth of that fateful
day since the United States Government doesn't seem to be very
forthcoming with answers."


Website: http://www.myspace.com/supereagle69

You're citing *myspace*? My god, man. Show some dignity. You've lost.
And badly. Even the other conspiracy theorists have proven your
obsession with the planes is completely wrong. This isn't even a Monty
Python thing anymore. This is what I imagine "Al Gore vs. Godzilla"
would look like.



And those kids with box cutters could take hostages. Hostages that
could get their throats slit if the pilots didn't cooperate. Not to
mention the cute little stewardess that always leaned down *just enough*
to show cleavage to the pilots. And part of training indoctrination of
flight crew is to COOPERATE with hijackers- let the police and airline
representatives deal with them.

Smart people know when not to argue. Even war vets, who have already
been trained to fight 'when' the odds are once again in your favor. If
you're also told to co-operate with hijackers, as most airline personnel
are for the safety of those aboard, then you co-operate. Even as you
wait for a more opportune moment to retaliate.

lots of people have myspace accounts including war vets.


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Lt. Col. Jeff Latas, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former combat fighter pilot
(F-15E and F-111). Former President, U.S. Air Force Accident
Investigation Board. Also served as Pentagon Weapons Requirement
Officer and as a member of the Pentagon's Quadrennial Defense Review.
Awarded Distinguish Flying Cross for Heroism, four Air Medals, four
Meritorious Service Medals, and nine Aerial Achievement Medals. 20-year
Air Force career. Currently commercial airline pilot.

Member: Pilots for 9/11 Truth Association Statement: "Pilots for 9/11
Truth is an organization of aviation professionals and pilots throughout
the globe that have gathered together for one purpose. We are committed
to seeking the truth surrounding the events of the 11th of September
2001. Our main focus concentrates on the four flights, maneuvers
performed and the reported pilots. We do not offer theory or point
blame. However, we are focused on determining the truth of that fateful
day since the United States Government doesn't seem to be very
forthcoming with answers."

btw bearandwhiskey, strapped into a seat you have no where near the
mobility of the man who isn't. Before you can take out the boxcutter
weilding caveman you are dead.

Wait a second.... are you talking about the same pilots of the same
planes that couldn't possibly have been involved in the 9/11 strikes
because there weren't really any planes involved? If you're going to be
insane, at least be consistent.


(watches Godzilla vs. Al Gore)

Godzilla- knocks down building
Al Gore- "See, this is a part of global warming- releasing ancient
frozen dinosaurs"
Godzilla- Blasts Gore with radiactive energy breath
Gore- "Don't you realize the environmental consequences of your
actions"
Godzilla- "what the hell?" Blasts Gore again
Gore- "This only proves your complete disregard for the wellbeing of
your grandchildren"
Godzilla- "this isn't working" Stomps Gore
Gore- "You should read my book"
Godzilla- Stomps again
Gore- "Tell you what, I'll even give you a free, autographed copy"
Godzilla- "WHY AREN'T YOU DEAD!?!?!"- Sticks foot in ocean to drown
Gore
Gore- "glug glug- this water is overfished and the ecosystem is dying"

again, war vet pilots dont give up Boeing 757s to kids with box cutters.


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Commander Ted Muga, U.S. Navy (ret) – Retired Naval aviator (Grumman E-1
and E-2). Retired Pan-Am commercial airline pilot (Boeing 707 and 727).

Member: Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice Association Statement:
"Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice is a non-partisan organization
consisting of independent researchers and activists engaged in
uncovering the true nature of the September 11, 2001 attacks."


Member: Pilots for 9/11 Truth Association Statement: "Pilots for 9/11
Truth is an organization of aviation professionals and pilots throughout
the globe that have gathered together for one purpose. We are committed
to seeking the truth surrounding the events of the 11th of September
2001. Our main focus concentrates on the four flights, maneuvers
performed and the reported pilots. We do not offer theory or point
blame. However, we are focused on determining the truth of that fateful
day since the United States Government doesn't seem to be very
forthcoming with answers."

Of course they don't. Especially since they don't exist. After all-
there were no planes used in the 9/11 attacks. You said so yourself.

Jeez man... how many times you going to quote the same statement.

Repeating something over and over and over and over does not make it
true.

It just makes it redundant.

There is no evidence that a Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon.

If you have some lets look at it.

and dont you want the million dollars?


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Major Douglas Rokke, PhD, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Director U.S. Army
Depleted Uranium Project. 30-year Army career.

Article 8/19/05: Regarding the impact at the Pentagon on 9/11/2001 "When
you look at the whole thing, especially the crash site void of airplane
parts, the size of the hole left in the building and the fact the
projectile's impact penetrated numerous concrete walls, it looks like
the work of a missile. And when you look at the damage, it was
obviously a missile." http://www.rense.com


Editor's note: For more information on the impact at the Pentagon, see
General Stubblebine, Colonel Nelson, Lt. Col. Kwiatkowski, Capt.
Wittenberg, and Steve DeChiaro.

Whats the matter with posting credible people who have experience in
this area saying this governments lying.


and its not the same post, they are all different.

______________________________________________


Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force – Former Air Force fighter pilot
with over 100 combat missions. Commercial pilot for Pan Am and United
Airlines for 35 years, flying 707, 720, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, and 777
’s. Had previously flown the actual two United Airlines airplanes that
were hijacked on 9/11 (Flight 93, which impacted in Pennsylvania, and
Flight 175, the second plane to hit the WTC).

Article 7/17/05: "The government story they handed us about 9/11 is
total B.S. plain and simple." … Wittenberg convincingly argued there was
absolutely no possibility that Flight 77 could have "descended 7,000
feet in two minutes, all the while performing a steep 270 degree banked
turn before crashing into the Pentagon's first floor wall without
touching the lawn."…

"For a guy to just jump into the ****pit and fly like an ace is
impossible - there is not one chance in a thousand," said Wittenberg,
recalling that when he made the jump from Boeing 727's to the highly
sophisticated computerized characteristics of the 737's through 767's it
took him considerable time to feel comfortable flying."
http://www.arcticbeacon.com


Audio Interview 9/16/04: Regarding Flight 77, which allegedly hit the
Pentagon. "The airplane could not have flown at those speeds which they
said it did without going into what they call a high speed stall. The
airplane won’t go that fast if you start pulling those high G maneuvers
at those bank angles. … To expect this alleged airplane to run these
maneuvers with a total amateur at the controls is simply ludicrous...

It’s roughly a 100 ton airplane. And an airplane that weighs 100 tons
all assembled is still going to have 100 tons of disassembled trash and
parts after it hits a building. There was no wreckage from a 757 at the
Pentagon. … The vehicle that hit the Pentagon was not Flight 77. We
think, as you may have heard before, it was a cruise missile."
http://911underground.com


Editor's note: For more information on the impact at the Pentagon, see
General Stubblebine, Colonel Nelson, Lt. Col. Kwiatkowski, Major Rokke,
and Steve DeChiaro.


Member: Pilots for 9/11 Truth Association Statement: "Pilots for 9/11
Truth is an organization of aviation professionals and pilots throughout
the globe that have gathered together for one purpose. We are committed
to seeking the truth surrounding the events of the 11th of September
2001. Our main focus concentrates on the four flights, maneuvers
performed and the reported pilots. We do not offer theory or point
blame. However, we are focused on determining the truth of that fateful
day since the United States Government doesn't seem to be very
forthcoming with answers."

Wasn't I the one who posted the link to a conspiracy theorist website
that was kind enough to give all the proof that was needed and MORE?

Oh.... wait.... that'd imply you actually pay attention to our points,
which obviously isn't true.

Is that the link your gonna use to get the million dollars with?

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Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and
NORAD Tac Director. Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers
Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained
in Viet Nam. Also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike
Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area.
Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine
(jet engine) services and maintenance company (15 years). Former Senior
Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division (15 years).
Private pilot.

Statement to this website 3/23/07: "As a former General Electric Turbine
engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering
company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature
alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be
completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire.
Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines,
particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11,
those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.

Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical
Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private
pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all
commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate
from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop
communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck,
perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon
right at the wall/ground interface is nearly impossible for even a small
slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot
in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled "terrorists".

Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a "Conspiracy Theory" does not
change the truth. It seems, "Something is rotten in the State."

Dude. I don't want a million dollars. And who'd I get it from, anyways?
You? I try not to take money from crazy people. Your nutjob friends?
Sorry, man- even if by some miracle I got past their dellusional fugue,
they'd never be willing to admit it to give the cash. The government?
They've already proven everything they need to- what do they care?

Ive allready explained that there is a reward of 1 million if you can
prove the towers came down like the government said it did, since your
up to speed go for it.


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Barbara Honegger, MS – Senior Military Affairs Journalist at the Naval
Postgraduate School, the U.S. Navy’s advanced science, technology and
national security affairs university (1995 - present). White House
Policy Analyst and Special Assistant to the Assistant to President
Ronald Reagan (1981 - 1983).

Essay 9/6/06: "The US military, not al Qaeda, had the sustained access
weeks before 9/11 to also plant controlled demolition charges throughout
the superstructures of WTC 1 and WTC 2, and in WTC 7, which brought down
all three buildings on 9/11. ...

A US military plane, not one piloted by al Qaeda, performed the highly
skilled, high−speed 270−degree dive towards the Pentagon that Air
Traffic Controllers on 9/11 were sure was a military plane as they
watched it on their screens. Only a military aircraft, not a civilian
plane flown by al Qaeda, would have given off the "Friendly" signal
needed to disable the Pentagon’s anti−aircraft missile batteries as it
approached the building.

Only the US military, not al Qaeda, had the ability to break all of its
Standard Operating Procedures to paralyze its own emergency response
system." http://blog.lege

"JeanC.

I have no doubt the government is covering up. They were incompetent
throughout the whole time leading up to and after the attacks. That does
not mean they were responsible for the attacks.

Perhaps they are trying to cover the fact that part of the us gold
reserve was supposed to be in that area and was never recovered. (We do
have theives in our government).

There are many possiblities of what they could be covering. That is the
nature of politics. Cover up any thing that could embarrass you or your
party. It still does not mean they performed the attack."

Based on what I've read, I haven't come to any official conclusion as to
who/what was responsible for the attacks. I tend to believe several
entities were involved, including our own government and I mean that
with extent to planning and carrying out the act as well. To WHAT
extent, I have no clue.

I simply cannot refute eye/earwitness testimony of survivors and rescue
workers and those in the area who witnessed the event, plus other
forensic evidence presented by the "official" explanation that would
surely make any logical person go "HUH?"

Like I said- your nutjob friends. Who wouldn't admit it even if I'd
proven it. There are still people out there who believe the world is
FLAT. Despite all forms of logic proving that wrong. Trying to convince
a lune to give up his insanity of favor is essentially impossible.

If I could prove these conspiracy nuts wrong (be it 9/11, or the
Kennedy assassination, or the flat earth guys, or that whole Jewish
Control thing, or the Illuminati thing- whatever the flavor of the week
is), I wouldn't even NEED that million. I would better spend my time
convincing every nation in the world to consolidate under my
unquestioned dictatorship.

B&W>

In regards the Pentagon.

The size of an average car is roughly between 12 and 18 feet in length.

Look at the photographs of the pentagon strike and estimate the size of
the damaged area at the few moments after the impact (compare with the
cars parked in front of the building). That hole is CONSIDERABLY
larger than the 18 feet claimed in your referenced web sites (at a rough
estimate I would say at least 8 car lengths perhaps more). To be an
accurate assement you must look at the photographs taken before the fire
has had a chance to cause further damage.

Misinformation relies on the readers lack of knowledge. Compare as I
stated in the paragraph and do the math.