Topic: friends with "benefits"
Krimsa's photo
Tue 12/09/08 10:00 AM
Edited by Krimsa on Tue 12/09/08 10:18 AM

I am willing to bet as we uncover the nature of the brain, we will find that almost all (perhaps especially violent)crimes start in a imbalance of the normal functions of the brain. Perhaps we will show eventually how all behavior arises from processes within the brain . . .

Dopamine - Prolactin Relationship at Orgasm

Dopamine- RED / Prolactin- BLUE

dopamine drops, prolactin rises

Research shows that prolactin surges immediately after orgasm in both men and women. Men may experience this prolactin surge as the "roll over and snore" phenomenon. In women, the effects may be delayed for days. We notice that the effects come and go for about two weeks.

There’s an inverse relationship between the levels of prolactin and dopamine; when one is up the other is down. This rise and fall produces a dopamine/prolactin roller coaster of highs and lows, and this roller coaster is a major part of the post-orgasm hangover.

What do couples complain of as their honeymoons end? The very symptoms associated with high prolactin: weight gain, drop in libido, mood changes, depression. Notice that in women excess prolactin is also associated with anxiety and hostility. Sound familiar? The following table lists symptoms of patients with chronically elevated prolactin. We think that after sex, the surges may be more subtle, but still noticeable in their effects.
Women Men
Loss of libido Loss of libido
Mood changes / depression Mood changes / depression
Hostility, anxiety Impotence
Headache Headache
Menopausal symptoms,
even when estrogen is sufficient Infertility
Signs of increased testosterone levels Decreased testosterone levels

Although research hasn’t shown how long prolactin surges continue in humans after sex, in female rats, twice daily surges of prolactin continue for up to two weeks. This may help to explain how great sex last week could lead to relationship friction now. And it’s no wonder we don’t make the link between cause and effect.

There’s also evidence that prolactin acts as a stress hormone. Unlike the "fight or flight" stress hormones, prolactin seems to be associated with "giving up," or "despair-type" stress. When a wild monkey is first caged, "fight or flight" stress hormones rise. As time goes by and despair sets in, "fight or flight" hormones fall and prolactin rises. Could these surges of prolactin explain agitation, wanting "space," or irritation with your partner that seems to come out of nowhere and then die down? Over time, could these recurring feelings also lead to relationship disillusionment?

To summarize thus far, orgasm leads to a drop in dopamine and a rise in prolactin. Both of these lead to multiple behavioral and emotional symptoms, which, in our experience, can arise over the next two weeks. During this time, behavior may change for the worse. More importantly, lovers' perception of each other can shift dramatically for the worse. If we feel depleted, our partner will seem overly demanding; if we feel needy, our partner will seem selfish and uncaring. Bickering and emotional separation then lead to further friction. Of course, few people ever avoid orgasm for two weeks. Most of us ride this roller coaster over and over, never really experiencing balanced brain chemistry - or the easy harmony that accompanies it.





Yep I agree 100% I think people dont always realize how positively paralyzing these hormonal imbalances can be. They must have had a functional prerogative that would have passed on to successive generations in their genetic profile. Im guessing the intended biological imperative was to get us together long enough to make more little hominids.

In that sense, sexual desire and drive was needed or else we would not mate.

But now in a modern society there can be problems. But yes I would relate most all criminal behavior back to a hormonal imbalance or some kind of malfunction of neurons or synapses. It creates impulsive behavior that is not successfully restrained in certain individuals.

splendidlife's photo
Tue 12/09/08 10:23 AM

I am willing to bet as we uncover the nature of the brain, we will find that almost all (perhaps especially violent)crimes start in a imbalance of the normal functions of the brain. Perhaps we will show eventually how all behavior arises from processes within the brain . . .

Dopamine - Prolactin Relationship at Orgasm

Dopamine- RED / Prolactin- BLUE

dopamine drops, prolactin rises

Research shows that prolactin surges immediately after orgasm in both men and women. Men may experience this prolactin surge as the "roll over and snore" phenomenon. In women, the effects may be delayed for days. We notice that the effects come and go for about two weeks.

There’s an inverse relationship between the levels of prolactin and dopamine; when one is up the other is down. This rise and fall produces a dopamine/prolactin roller coaster of highs and lows, and this roller coaster is a major part of the post-orgasm hangover.

What do couples complain of as their honeymoons end? The very symptoms associated with high prolactin: weight gain, drop in libido, mood changes, depression. Notice that in women excess prolactin is also associated with anxiety and hostility. Sound familiar? The following table lists symptoms of patients with chronically elevated prolactin. We think that after sex, the surges may be more subtle, but still noticeable in their effects.
Women Men
Loss of libido Loss of libido
Mood changes / depression Mood changes / depression
Hostility, anxiety Impotence
Headache Headache
Menopausal symptoms,
even when estrogen is sufficient Infertility
Signs of increased testosterone levels Decreased testosterone levels

Although research hasn’t shown how long prolactin surges continue in humans after sex, in female rats, twice daily surges of prolactin continue for up to two weeks. This may help to explain how great sex last week could lead to relationship friction now. And it’s no wonder we don’t make the link between cause and effect.

There’s also evidence that prolactin acts as a stress hormone. Unlike the "fight or flight" stress hormones, prolactin seems to be associated with "giving up," or "despair-type" stress. When a wild monkey is first caged, "fight or flight" stress hormones rise. As time goes by and despair sets in, "fight or flight" hormones fall and prolactin rises. Could these surges of prolactin explain agitation, wanting "space," or irritation with your partner that seems to come out of nowhere and then die down? Over time, could these recurring feelings also lead to relationship disillusionment?

To summarize thus far, orgasm leads to a drop in dopamine and a rise in prolactin. Both of these lead to multiple behavioral and emotional symptoms, which, in our experience, can arise over the next two weeks. During this time, behavior may change for the worse. More importantly, lovers' perception of each other can shift dramatically for the worse. If we feel depleted, our partner will seem overly demanding; if we feel needy, our partner will seem selfish and uncaring. Bickering and emotional separation then lead to further friction. Of course, few people ever avoid orgasm for two weeks. Most of us ride this roller coaster over and over, never really experiencing balanced brain chemistry - or the easy harmony that accompanies it.


splendidlife, I dont really know either to be honest. This is not my field of study, although it might be one day. The more I research biology and brain processes, the more I desire to use physics to study the brain.



Perhaps an alliance between all of the Sciences along with the Philosophical branch known as "Meta-Physics" in a group effort (each contributing their piece) will steer us in the direction of greatest understanding.

Is a collective of scientific disciplines (to include those perhaps not viewed as quite so "scientific") that far fetched?

Akinyahalo's photo
Tue 12/09/08 10:38 AM
i think fwb is good but only with one friend

splendidlife's photo
Tue 12/09/08 11:14 AM

i think fwb is good but only with one friend


Doesn’t it seem as though the objective of FWB be to have as little “restrictions” as possible?

Once we put conditions on it, doesn't it become a commitment of sorts?

Where do we draw a line?

Yikes!

Krimsa's photo
Tue 12/09/08 11:17 AM

i think fwb is good but only with one friend


I think if you are a Christian, you are still bound for hell. God doesnt make exceptions. You cant do this half way. You either invent an arbitrary set of restraints that are enforced by a mythological badass, and then subjugate yourself to said badass, or you dont. huh

MirrorMirror's photo
Tue 12/09/08 11:34 AM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Tue 12/09/08 11:34 AM

i think fwb is good but only with one friend
:smile: Isn't that basically just a girlfriend that you don't live with?:smile:

Akinyahalo's photo
Tue 12/09/08 12:10 PM
no not a gf and there is different kinds of fwb i had one i never had sex with we just cuddled and kissed

no photo
Mon 02/09/09 03:56 PM
Can that fwb be landlord with benefits too

no photo
Mon 02/09/09 06:24 PM

Until recently I was open to such a notion, but thanks be to God for helping set it straight with me - friends with benefits = lust. Sex only for the one you love. :smile:

Love and care for, yes.

Seamonster's photo
Mon 02/09/09 07:08 PM
yay for FWB!!!
Well worth a dancing banana :banana:

no photo
Tue 02/10/09 07:39 AM

Until recently I was open to such a notion, but thanks be to God for helping set it straight with me - friends with benefits = lust. Sex only for the one you love. :smile:


wasn't that exactly what those priests in the church sex scandal was doing

no photo
Tue 02/10/09 11:11 AM

i think fwb is good but only with one friend



Sounds like going steady to me. But if you choose only to do it with one friend nothing wrong with that. But if your friend insists on exclusivity... that's going steady, or getting engaged or getting married.

Then the friend part ends and the battle begins. laugh

no photo
Tue 02/10/09 11:29 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Tue 02/10/09 11:33 AM
Thomas3474


As a Christian I know that God is not happy with Christians having meaningless sex even if it is with other Christians.

I know if I don't straighten my act out and start living the way God wants me to he will never give me the true love I have always waited for.I decided that I would not have meaningless sex with a girl I was not in love with ever again.It has been over 5 years since I had sex and I respect women,and myself much more because of it.I will still hold out until God gives me my special woman even if it takes another 5 years.



First off I find the statement you made above (in bold) made me laugh.

laugh noway

My question is why would you say "even if it is with other Christians" anyway? Do some Christians think that sex is somehow "more holy" if it is with another Christian? I'm just curious why the distinction.

(In truth, I pictured two Christians going at it (having hot sex) and declaring that God must have brought them together, so it can't be wrong.)

Second paragraph:

(my opinion: What you "believe" will often influence what manifests in your life.)

So here, in the second paragraph, you have stated that you "don't believe that you will be given the true love you have been waiting for until you 'straiten your act out' and start living the way God wants you to."

5 years later you are still "holding out" for that gift of the woman of your dreams.

Now, either you don't believe that you have "straitened out your act" yet or else God is not fulfilling what you expect of him by gifting you the woman of your dreams.

Which is it?

Also, how do you know how "God" wants you to live your life and what are you doing to try to live up to God's expectations of you?

I am anxiously awaiting your answers.

JB


Krimsa's photo
Tue 02/10/09 11:32 AM
As a Christian I know that God is not happy with Christians having meaningless sex even if it is with other Christians.


laugh laugh Is that a line from Monty Python?

Milesoftheusa's photo
Tue 02/10/09 03:48 PM

Can that fwb be landlord with benefits too


laugh laugh laugh pitchfork

no photo
Tue 02/10/09 03:53 PM

As a Christian I know that God is not happy with Christians having meaningless sex even if it is with other Christians.


laugh laugh Is that a line from Monty Python?



is "meaningless sex" translated in the bible to mean fornicating? ....but come on, there is no way Christians would be knocking boots with each other knowing that God is looking at them

well maybe if the sex lasts less than a minute aka (a quickie) one can claim they had a moment of weakness

sorry God I didn't mean to fornicate it was an accident ..you see ..er..... I was walking and slipped on a banana peel and accidently fell in

papersmile's photo
Tue 02/10/09 03:59 PM
Edited by papersmile on Tue 02/10/09 04:00 PM
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Krimsa's photo
Tue 02/10/09 04:15 PM
laugh It is better not to marry. But if you must have sex, then get married. It's better to be married than burn forever in hell.

Milesoftheusa's photo
Tue 02/10/09 04:37 PM

laugh It is better not to marry. But if you must have sex, then get married. It's better to be married than burn forever in hell.



Krisma 3:13laugh flowerforyou

TBRich's photo
Tue 02/10/09 04:40 PM

laugh It is better not to marry. But if you must have sex, then get married. It's better to be married than burn forever in hell.


I could not tell the difference between marriage and hell; is there really a difference?