This must be the E-meter ROFL

All I know is that Tom Cruise looked pretty jacked up last interview I saw him in and he is involved with this cult.

I have always imagined taking you on a date to a Scientology seminar

Well, I guess I certainly came in late on this one. So many responses.

I'm no longer in the Church - I left it in 1984 and I had started in 1971. I didn't do the whole "shabang", but I did read and download a lot of stuff when it was first being put out on the net. I have all Grades and the OT levels in writing, but haven't actually "run" them on myself.

It took me years to be able to differentiate between what actually will work and what is just hype and propoganda to get you sucked in. It took me years to also be able to speak in every day terms again. I have to say that I'm "still" getting rid of certain beliefs that I no longer need apply, but its a lot easier to do that now.

I've learned to simply take what works and leave the rest. I still like to experiment and have a good time with some of the theories, etc. Some of the exercises or drills from the older books are fun to do. The newer books have changed some of the methods, very slightly, but enough to where its not as effective in my opinion.

If you have no idea or have never recalled anything from a past life then anything else that has to do with something from before a person was born, isn't going to make any sense. Its a moot point.

What I found is that if a person has a release and whatever it is that was bothering them, no longer bothers them, then whatever it is, whether it be from another life or not, worked and that's good enough for me. I don't care if a person can remember their past or not. I care whether they handle or fully release the upset or "charge" of whatever is bothering them.

I personally would never go back into the Church as I totally disagree with how its being run. However, that doesn't mean I'd throw out the baby with the bathwater. What works, simply works.

I do other things besides Scn and I combine certain things with some basics from Scn, which would be unheard of in the Church, but I enjoy doing it and many a time what I do does help a person change their views, which then helps them in their life.

I've heard so many stories from people who have known LRH and others who haven't and I still hear stories, ad nauseum. I'm on a list currently that has people who used to be on the boat with him and knew him during the 60's. I knew people who knew him from the 50's. There is such a diverse amount of stuff about the guy, its amazing.

I don't defend him, but at the same time I can't say as I totally hate the dude as I never met him. What is lacking, so far, from what I've seen here on this particular thread is the pro's. I've seen more opinions not based on personal experience. Yet, I can actually tell you that I've seen some pretty astonishing changes in people after applying something as simple as Dianetics, during the days that I did nothing but that.

To be able to differentiate between how the Church is "run" administratively and what is written in many different books of processes and theories, are two totally different things, yet they are constantly confused with each other. LRH makes a promise that you can go Clear on Dianetics and you'll get these super-human abilities - blah blah blah. Well, that's just PR, hype, sales, etc. The real thing is actually doing it and finding out that, hey - things are actually going better and my headaches are completely gone, etc. and on and on. You may never go Clear with Dian. but your life might go better. Never mind what the sales says, find out yourself. The nice thing is that you don't need to go to a Church to find out. There are plenty of people who have left the Church that are willing to help along those lines.

As far as the history of how Scn got started, etc., that's probably something that would create a whole book and there are several of them out there. It didn't need to be a religion, but apparently, LRH found out how religions work and figured it was the way to make money and stay out of trouble - how wrong he was as far as staying out of trouble.

So, there's a lot of stuff in Scn that isn't applicable to every day life and there's a lot of stuff that is. It all depends on what is being addressed.

Well, there's my few cents worth on the subject.

KozeeLady

Thank you for sharing

Yes very interesting. Thanks for your candor.

Thank you for sharing


Thank you, it took a long time to get to where I'm at on the subject. I was a fanatic at one time, totally and without any doubt in my mind. But because I was a fanatic, later on, I was able to figure out some of the components to a fanatic and understand it in others, no matter what they were fanatic about.

Its an eye opener, that's for sure .

Kozee

Well, its as I see it :) - thank you.

Thousands of people have had such a diverse amount of experience with Scn in one way or another and again, some of the stories are amazing, both good and bad.

There are things I experienced that I'm truly glad I did and then there are other areas I wish I hadn't ever been there for.

Kozee :)

Scientology is a farce among farces. To quote Hubbard himself, "Scientology's sole purpose is to make money...".

I remember filming a TV show near the Scientology building in Hollywood back in 2002. As usual, they got the cute brainwashed twenty-something girls who came straight off of the Greyhound bus to pass out passes for "free auditings" to all passers-by. At some point, a couple of co-workers and I were given cards.

Being the eternal wise-ass I am, I thought, "Why the F*** not???!!!" and went in, just to be able to say I went through a Scientologist auditing process.

A couple of well-dressed types with what I call "Disney" smiles (totally fake, pinned-on smiles that don't hide anything) gave me some shpeel about how great L. Ron Hubbard was and how he was a genius and a visionary and how he was the only dude who could beat Chuck Norris. Then they started up with what Scientology could cure me of- depression, anxiety, anti-social behavior, blah blah blah yackety schmackety.

It was then where they hooked me up to their auditing machine, which they said could read the impulses from my thoughts. They told me to think of the happiest thing I ever had in my life, at which point some lights on the contraption went off and some numbers started to scroll.

Then they told me to think of the SADDEST thing that happened in my life, which made lights beep and numbers scroll.

Within minutes, they gave me a whole deal with what was "wrong" with me. They even showed me a bunch of print-outs and stuff, and then proceeded to ask me what I thought.

I called total bull-honkey on them.

What they DIDN'T know (and apparently didn't detect) was the fact I did the exact OPPOSITE of what they told me to do when I was hooked up to their auditing machine- instead of the HAPPIEST memories, I recalled the SADDEST ones, and vice-versa. Their machines didn't turn out different responses, nor did were they even CLOSE to telling if I was jerking their chain or not.

That was, until I went ahead and TOLD them of course, which (needless to say) made them look like total goofs. I then related the experiences a couple of my friends had with their organization which resulted in one being placed in a mental institution and the other being DEAD from their brainwashing.

They THEN proceeded to call their bigger, burlier (though still well-suited) Scientologist bodyguards up to "escort" me out of the building. And by "escort", I mean they "bum-rushed me out of the building... with feeling!".

Yeah, landing on that sidewalk on Hollywood Boulevard was a wee bit painful, but I had made my point- the organization was (and is) a total scam.

I applaud you, but is the whole thing with your friends true?

Thank you for sharing


Thank you, it took a long time to get to where I'm at on the subject. I was a fanatic at one time, totally and without any doubt in my mind. But because I was a fanatic, later on, I was able to figure out some of the components to a fanatic and understand it in others, no matter what they were fanatic about.

Its an eye opener, that's for sure .

Kozee

This is the sad part. But I have to admit, that I went into Scn back in the 70's and while it was "similar" it wasn't the same. When did all this happen to you (what year)?

What lights and numbers? The meter they used didn't have "lights and numbers". But, I haven't been back in the Church for "years". Must be a whole lot that is new since LRH has been dead for at least 23 years.

This is what I had been talking about. People looked at sales and PR and nothing else. Many people don't bother to simply try something out for themself, without having to go to the Church. Now, apparently, the sales and manipulation of getting people in the door is so "loud" and pronounced, that anything else regarding what some of the teachings are, is also classified along with that first impression.

I've experienced almost dying, but not from Scn itself. From those who abuse and misuse it. It cuts a double edged sword. I believe that even a bible can be used to justify evil deeds, but that doesn't make the bible evil (no I'm not religious - its just an example). Just about every type of belief system on this planet can be turned for good or bad, depending on how its used.

Understand that I actually could care less whether you ever study the subject or not :) I'm just saying that in some of the books, some of the information is quite useful. That as far as auditing goes, if done right, its a little bit of a slow boat to China at times, but it can help relieve and release some painful areas. This in itself, has nothing to do with the PR, hype, manipulations, etc. This is just one of the reasons I stay away from the Church itself. But I have no qualms about reading the "how to's" in the privacy of my own home.

Anyways, thanks for sharing the story as its one more reason to add to the fact that David Miscaviage sucks as the leader of Scn and I'd never go back. I think it would shock and sadden me. Besides, I don't think that "robots" should be running the show and there are plenty of them there.

Kozee

"The fear of the LORD is the instruction of wisdom; and
before honour is humility."
Proverbs 15:33, KJV.

As far as Scientology I don't have the time or space to go into depth against the motivations of this "church" but any religion stolen( and by stolen i mean it wasn't his idea first) by a man who wrote sci-fi novels before starting a church should be considered carefully.

HUBBARD FOR PRESIDENT

maybe one of his alien friends can bring him back so he can set us straight