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I believe one can take donations for sharing said beliefs, knowledge, and books. All knowledge should be free and charging someone for lack of knowledge and trying to justify it by saying well it costs me something for you to learn it so i need to charge you something. That is like saying a mother should charge her infant before she teaches them to potty train, speak, or eat. Knowledge belongs to all not to just some is all i am saying.
Yes, I hear what you’re saying. What I’m saying is that is not a practical stance. By that logic, colleges and universities should also be free – both tuition and books. And trade schools should be free, as well as any kind of training seminar. Not to mention any non-fiction book of any kind.

And what about the people who search out and discover facts and knowledge? Apparently they shouldn’t be compensated for their work either, so anyone contributing to the any type of research that discovers or gathers knowledge, would have to work for free.

This is not at all practical.

I think knowledge should belong to those who go out and get it. It should belong to those who make the effort to do what is necessary to obtain it. And those who actually worked at getting it should not be forced into giving it away to others who put forth no effort on their own to obtain it.

I can't argue with you about my reasoning not being practical to a materialistic society or world. I am no way suggesting that people should not be rewarded for their efforts, advancements or that they should have to work for free. I simply believe that in an ideal society all knowledge is free to all those who persue it. My question is why should this type of thinking be impractical? I want to believe that we can make knowledge free to all and better society and humanity as a whole. I certainly believe that such things are within reason and our capability.

I don't have a problem with a religion making money. This is the real world. They gotta pay the bills too. There isnt anything wrong with that.

Real world or not how they obtain that money and how they spend it needs to be monitored and controlled. Buy the preacher a new house or his wife a new cadillac is not called "paying the bills." Curruption and using funds donated for charitable reasons as a income,profit or to do things with them other than charitable programs is fraud, selfish and inexcusable.

That could be considered somewhat unethical but not neccessarily immoral or illegal.

I agree. That's why I don't give money to large charitable organizations or churches. I think being a preacher is a useless wasted profession, ripe for con artists and frauds.

Also lawyers. Their business depends upon people's ignorance. All lawyers are liars too. The entire system is corrupt anyway. People should learn their rights and a little about how the so-called "law" and court system works and they can avoid ever needing a blood sucking lawyer who will sell your ass to the highest bidder.

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I feel much better now.

But the money being brought in by the C.O.S. is going to the agenda of the organization. Hubbard is frozen in a block of ice and his relatives are not part of the organization (his son killed himself). The C.O.S. is completely transparent with the I.R.S. Thats how they became a legally recognized religion with the government.

Mirror, what is the agenda of the organization? To infiltrate and destroy the wicked aliens in control of our government?

Well, its primary (secular)agenda is to grow in size and influence as all religions attempt to do. Thats why the C.O.S. puts so much effort into publicity and Public relations. But the long term (religious)agenda is to stop Xenu and the body thetans in some future conflict and recreate the destroyed Galactic Federation (Sorta like the Federation of Planets on Star Trek).

Cool. I think Xenu should be stopped. I think he is like Lucifer, very evil guy. Probably related to Lucifer. His brother or something like that.

Stop the evil aliens!

Any idea on how to get a hold on some of that Alien money. I will need it to make plea bargains

They dont neccessarily believe that aliens are controling the government. They believe humans are suffering from an infestation of body thetans (dead alien memories).These spiritual parasites latch onto the aura of humans and influence our behaviors, causing us to act irrationally. Xenu is supposed to be imprisoned in a force field on Mars and he will break out someday and have to be defeated by a revived Hubbard and the C.O.S. In a nutshell, that is what they believe.

Lucifer is supposed to be a propaganda creation of Xenu just as most other religions. He used these religions to manipulate the Galactic Federation and we inherited these memories from body thetan infestation. Thats what they believe.

Thanks to Xenu, most of the aliens are dead and the local universe is a barren wasteland.

ha you say most!! That means there are still some mean green fighting machines out there.

So spit it out already! Where do you get some of that alien money?

Xenu is an alien.

So what do you define as the "local universe"

This Galaxy or all the Galaxies?

The “pursuit” is the cost. One cannot simply wish to have knowledge and expect to be imbued with it without actually doing something. It must actually be pursued.

Example: An archeologist goes out and digs in the dirt and discovers a fossil and records information about it. That archeologist has “paid” for that knowledge with dirty hands and sore muscles. Then there is a ditch digger who digs a ditch to earn money to buy the book the archeologist wrote to read the information about the fossil. The ditch digger has paid the exact same price – dirty hands and sore muscles.

A fundamental law of life in this universe is that you must “do” in order to “have”. It is impractical to think that one can “have” knowledge” without “doing” anything to obtain it. In essence, the “doing” is exchanged for the “having”. And that’s all that money is – a symbolic representation of “doing”. In the above example, the archeologist exchanged “doing” directly for the knowledge and the ditch digger exchanged “symbols of doing” for a book that contained the knowledge.

So all I’m saying is that knowledge always comes at a cost. The only choice is in how much one is willing to pay for it.

There is no free lunch.

I wonder what the alien women are like . . .

Excellent post! Very eloquently stated I might add. I think you both have excellent points. Knowledge should be easily gained, it should be so available that anyone can choose to pursue it via this exchange of effort, and everyone should be able to work to get it, but in the end there is no free lunch.

I love it, its a complete thought.

"A civilization without insanity, without criminals and without war, where the able can prosper and honest beings can have rights, and where man is free to rise to greater heights, are the aims of Scientology."

(http://www.whatisscientology.org/html/Part12/Chp37/pg0684.html)

Im just explaining what they believe JB. Not what I believe.

Sorry, then what do the describe as the "local universe?"