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yeesh,,,,odjgcclik aewoficn ads;oirfc asd hcoiadfc lifnas;oi c , and that settles IT!
  Very cogent argument. 
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Here, if this doesn't give you enough info, then I don't know what does: http://www.xenu.net/ 
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jb, does this mean you agree with the assertion that most organized religions, by definition, are actually cults?
Yes. They all exert some kind of control upon their members. Some are more extreme than others and they tend to be labeled "cult" more often than larger and older accepted belief systems. But a cult generally has a leader. (The Pope is the leader of the Catholic cult and is even considered the leader of all Christianity, although some do not agree.) Leaders like Jim Jones are definitely cult leaders using Christianity as bait to get people into his flock. This is done by a lot of preachers. They use Christianity as bait to build a congregation around them self. Most preachers I have met are not so much men of God but men who love to be thought of as such. Eventually the cult just becomes a business.  I believe that if we can free Xenu from his forcefield prison on Mars, then he will help us defeat the Draconians.But only if we agree to serve him.This is why I have been a member of the Cult of Xenu for the past three months.
and people say that sientologists are crazy. That makes perfect sense. That and the christians talking snake. |
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jb, does this mean you agree with the assertion that most organized religions, by definition, are actually cults?
Yes. They all exert some kind of control upon their members. Some are more extreme than others and they tend to be labeled "cult" more often than larger and older accepted belief systems. But a cult generally has a leader. (The Pope is the leader of the Catholic cult and is even considered the leader of all Christianity, although some do not agree.) Leaders like Jim Jones are definitely cult leaders using Christianity as bait to get people into his flock. This is done by a lot of preachers. They use Christianity as bait to build a congregation around them self. Most preachers I have met are not so much men of God but men who love to be thought of as such. Eventually the cult just becomes a business. I believe that if we can free Xenu from his forcefield prison on Mars, then he will help us defeat the Draconians.But only if we agree to serve him.This is why I have been a member of the Cult of Xenu for the past three months.
and people say that sientologists are crazy. That makes perfect sense. That and the christians talking snake. 
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Draconians shall rule the world. Be careful Mirror, I am watching you
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Draconians shall rule the world. Be careful Mirror, I am watching you
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Edited by
SkyHook5652
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Wed 12/10/08 06:30 PM
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Just to keep this on an even keel... Can anyone show where someone actually admitted to believing this? Not whether L. Ron Hubbard wrote or said it, or whether a turncoat Scientologist accused someone else of believing it. But an actual person that has said "I believe this to be fact"? Following that, how many? The implication is that all Scientologists believe it. But there are reportedly 10 million Scientologists on the planet. What percentage of them believe it and how was that percentage determined? Or is the presumption that the belief itself is the qualifying criteria for being a Scientologist? Inquiring minds want to know. |
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Just to keep this on an even keel... Can anyone show where someone actually admitted to believing this? Not whether L. Ron Hubbard wrote or said it, or whether a turncoat Scientologist accused someone else of believing it. But an actual person that has said "I believe this to be fact"? Following that, how many? The implication is that all Scientologists believe it. But there are reportedly 10 million Scientologists on the planet. What percentage of them believe it and how was that percentage determined? Or is the presumption that the belief itself is the qualifying criteria for being a Scientologist? Inquiring minds want to know. Its a picture of Xenu
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Just to keep this on an even keel... Can anyone show where someone actually admitted to believing this? Not whether L. Ron Hubbard wrote or said it, or whether a turncoat Scientologist accused someone else of believing it. But an actual person that has said "I believe this to be fact"? Following that, how many? The implication is that all Scientologists believe it. But there are reportedly 10 million Scientologists on the planet. What percentage of them believe it and how was that percentage determined? Or is the presumption that the belief itself is the qualifying criteria for being a Scientologist? Inquiring minds want to know. Its a picture of Xenu 
Just wondered if there was any substance to the claim is all.
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Just to keep this on an even keel... Can anyone show where someone actually admitted to believing this? Not whether L. Ron Hubbard wrote or said it, or whether a turncoat Scientologist accused someone else of believing it. But an actual person that has said "I believe this to be fact"? Following that, how many? The implication is that all Scientologists believe it. But there are reportedly 10 million Scientologists on the planet. What percentage of them believe it and how was that percentage determined? Or is the presumption that the belief itself is the qualifying criteria for being a Scientologist? Inquiring minds want to know. Its a picture of Xenu
Just wondered if there was any substance to the claim is all.
 Yes, L.Ron Hubbard spoke about Xenu.He's the one that blew up the frozen aliens in the volcanoes and created the body thetans.Its not something the C.O.S. likes to discuss in public.
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Just to keep this on an even keel... Can anyone show where someone actually admitted to believing this? Not whether L. Ron Hubbard wrote or said it, or whether a turncoat Scientologist accused someone else of believing it. But an actual person that has said "I believe this to be fact"? Following that, how many? The implication is that all Scientologists believe it. But there are reportedly 10 million Scientologists on the planet. What percentage of them believe it and how was that percentage determined? Or is the presumption that the belief itself is the qualifying criteria for being a Scientologist? Inquiring minds want to know. Its a picture of Xenu
Just wondered if there was any substance to the claim is all.
Yes, L.Ron Hubbard spoke about Xenu.He's the one that blew up the frozen aliens in the volcanoes and created the body thetans.Its not something the C.O.S. likes to discuss in public. Yes, I understand the story and that Hubbard is supposed to have written and/or spoken about it. My question was, has anyone ever actually come out and said "I believe the story of Xenu to be fact?" The assertion is that "Scientologists believe the story of Xenu to be fact", with the implication that all Scientologists believe it. So I'm looking for any evidence to support the claim. i.e. Scientologists that say they believe the story of Xenu to be fact. So far, I haven't been able to find any record of even one Scientologist saying they believe it, much less all of them. |
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Just to keep this on an even keel... Can anyone show where someone actually admitted to believing this? Not whether L. Ron Hubbard wrote or said it, or whether a turncoat Scientologist accused someone else of believing it. But an actual person that has said "I believe this to be fact"? Following that, how many? The implication is that all Scientologists believe it. But there are reportedly 10 million Scientologists on the planet. What percentage of them believe it and how was that percentage determined? Or is the presumption that the belief itself is the qualifying criteria for being a Scientologist? Inquiring minds want to know. Its a picture of Xenu
Just wondered if there was any substance to the claim is all.
Yes, L.Ron Hubbard spoke about Xenu.He's the one that blew up the frozen aliens in the volcanoes and created the body thetans.Its not something the C.O.S. likes to discuss in public. Yes, I understand the story and that Hubbard is supposed to have written and/or spoken about it. My question was, has anyone ever actually come out and said "I believe the story of Xenu to be fact?" The assertion is that "Scientologists believe the story of Xenu to be fact", with the implication that all Scientologists believe it. So I'm looking for any evidence to support the claim. i.e. Scientologists that say they believe the story of Xenu to be fact. So far, I haven't been able to find any record of even one Scientologist saying they believe it, much less all of them. Well no, they won't admit it directly. Its kinda taboo for them to discuss it openly. But they do believe it at the higher OT levels. There used to be a link to "Xenu" on the Scientology website ( I dont know if its still there or not) but it led nowhere.Only former members who made it to high enough "levels" have spoken about Xenu and the "Wall of Fire Incident".They don't worship Xenu, they fear him.No, not every members knows about Xenu. Mostly just the ones at the high "levels".
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Edited by
SkyHook5652
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Thu 12/11/08 01:37 AM
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Just to keep this on an even keel... Can anyone show where someone actually admitted to believing this? Not whether L. Ron Hubbard wrote or said it, or whether a turncoat Scientologist accused someone else of believing it. But an actual person that has said "I believe this to be fact"? Following that, how many? The implication is that all Scientologists believe it. But there are reportedly 10 million Scientologists on the planet. What percentage of them believe it and how was that percentage determined? Or is the presumption that the belief itself is the qualifying criteria for being a Scientologist? Inquiring minds want to know. Its a picture of Xenu
Just wondered if there was any substance to the claim is all.
Yes, L.Ron Hubbard spoke about Xenu.He's the one that blew up the frozen aliens in the volcanoes and created the body thetans.Its not something the C.O.S. likes to discuss in public. Yes, I understand the story and that Hubbard is supposed to have written and/or spoken about it. My question was, has anyone ever actually come out and said "I believe the story of Xenu to be fact?" The assertion is that "Scientologists believe the story of Xenu to be fact", with the implication that all Scientologists believe it. So I'm looking for any evidence to support the claim. i.e. Scientologists that say they believe the story of Xenu to be fact. So far, I haven't been able to find any record of even one Scientologist saying they believe it, much less all of them. Well no, they won't admit it directly. Its kinda taboo for them to discuss it openly. But they do believe it at the higher OT levels. There used to be a link to "Xenu" on the Scientology website ( I dont know if its still there or not) but it led nowhere.Only former members who made it to high enough "levels" have spoken about Xenu and the "Wall of Fire Incident".They don't worship Xenu, they fear him.No, not every members knows about Xenu. Mostly just the ones at the high "levels".Ok, now let me see if I got this straight... The Scientologists never say they believe it. But despite that fact, the people who don't believe it insist that 1) the Scientologists actually do believe it and 2) the Scientologists don't admit they believe it because the don't want anyone to know that they believe it. Does that about sum it up? |
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So that kind of rumor about Scientology could be pure propaganda bullcrap if there are no Scientologists who know about it or admit it. If that is so, then Scientologists should sue the people who are spreading that kind of rumor. Right? |
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So that kind of rumor about Scientology could be pure propaganda bullcrap if there are no Scientologists who know about it or admit it. If that is so, then Scientologists should sue the people who are spreading that kind of rumor. Right? |
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Just to keep this on an even keel... Can anyone show where someone actually admitted to believing this? Not whether L. Ron Hubbard wrote or said it, or whether a turncoat Scientologist accused someone else of believing it. But an actual person that has said "I believe this to be fact"? Following that, how many? The implication is that all Scientologists believe it. But there are reportedly 10 million Scientologists on the planet. What percentage of them believe it and how was that percentage determined? Or is the presumption that the belief itself is the qualifying criteria for being a Scientologist? Inquiring minds want to know. Its a picture of Xenu
Just wondered if there was any substance to the claim is all.
Yes, L.Ron Hubbard spoke about Xenu.He's the one that blew up the frozen aliens in the volcanoes and created the body thetans.Its not something the C.O.S. likes to discuss in public. Yes, I understand the story and that Hubbard is supposed to have written and/or spoken about it. My question was, has anyone ever actually come out and said "I believe the story of Xenu to be fact?" The assertion is that "Scientologists believe the story of Xenu to be fact", with the implication that all Scientologists believe it. So I'm looking for any evidence to support the claim. i.e. Scientologists that say they believe the story of Xenu to be fact. So far, I haven't been able to find any record of even one Scientologist saying they believe it, much less all of them. Well no, they won't admit it directly. Its kinda taboo for them to discuss it openly. But they do believe it at the higher OT levels. There used to be a link to "Xenu" on the Scientology website ( I dont know if its still there or not) but it led nowhere.Only former members who made it to high enough "levels" have spoken about Xenu and the "Wall of Fire Incident".They don't worship Xenu, they fear him.No, not every members knows about Xenu. Mostly just the ones at the high "levels".Ok, now let me see if I got this straight... The Scientologists never say they believe it. But despite that fact, the people who don't believe it insist that 1) the Scientologists actually do believe it and 2) the Scientologists don't admit they believe it because the don't want anyone to know that they believe it. Does that about sum it up? Yes. That pretty much sums it up.
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Edited by
MirrorMirror
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Thu 12/11/08 10:23 AM
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So that kind of rumor about Scientology could be pure propaganda bullcrap if there are no Scientologists who know about it or admit it. If that is so, then Scientologists should sue the people who are spreading that kind of rumor. Right? 
Yes they believe it JB.They call it the "Wall of Fire Incident".
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Edited by
SkyHook5652
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Thu 12/11/08 11:58 AM
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Ok, so the bottom line is that some people, who claim to be disaffected Scientologists, have made claims about loyal Scientologists, which claims have not been and cannot be substantiated. (How very convenient for the disaffected Scientologists.)
Looks like that's about as far as we can go with that line of investigation. So let's take up the issue of why people are concerned about it... Assuming, for the sake of argument, that these unverifiable claims are true, how could it possibly matter to anyone? They're not proselytizing those claims. Far from it, they apparently don't want people to know about it. So is there some objection to them hiding information from the rest of us? Or is the objection that they are hiding their beliefs from the rest of us? Or could those beliefs be thought of as sinister in some way - like the cannibalism of Communion or the human sacrifice of the Crucifition? Or is it just because they are believed to be impossible, like Jesus walking on water? Or just unlikely, like the predictions of the future that abound in most religious doctrines. |
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