It would be more interesting to spend time about the Wiccan belief system then talk about Christians wouldn't you believe? Perhaps we can continue on that subject? Ruth keep going you are doing good.

I know you are a Catholic Witch and that you have the ability to use magick for good or bad, but you use bad only for defensive situations.

So what magic do you specialize in. Does it have a origin or starting point in Europe somewhere what you study or is it more experimental.

What are your latest spells or experiments as of lately?

does anyone have a spell to get me out of touch tone hell with my bank? I just want a real live person, is that to much to ask for?

absolutely. My parents really didn't enforce anykind of religous belief on me. They just said when you grow older choose what works best for you. I fortunately live a whole lifetime being nonreligous and I am thankful for that, yet I always had a sense of spirituality in me, which I just always brushed off as a nervous breakdown at times. Just joking

But as I grew older I did ask the hard questions and did seek spiritual advice. Never sure if it existed, but sometimes I like to believe it exists when you are alone.

Anyway yes it is rapidly declining, especially for the younger generation. I mean they respect what their elders believe in, but they actually live the life more then worry about rules a religious organization provide. Like go to church on sundays, not eat meat on sundays, don't do this or don't do that. They just say the hell with all that. I want to live my life and enjoy as much as I can.

I hate that stuff. Move to a small town, and change to a small town bank.

You walk in, and everyone knows your name. It almost makes you paranoid.

Here's a good one.

Go to your bank and request the private cell phone numbers of all the bank clerks and loan officers and tell them that you are tired of talking to their recordings.

oooh and miss the 20 minutes of crappy elevator music and the random message of how they work so hard for me?

As for spiritual advice, I think you only can find it within yourself, there is no point asking somebody else, as you only get her/his take on spirituality.
I go with what feels most comfortable to me, and try to live accordingly.

I think as long as you're asking like minded people, it helps to get advice from others. Everyone needs guidance. You may get his or her take on it but that's what advice is all about... You get advice and you follow your heart.

I pretty much have done this all my life, yet it is good to see how others have a take on it. Otherwise for what reason a religous or spiritual forum or a thread

I truly enjoy the wisdom and spirituality of the Dalai Lama or Buddha. It is great to see other experiences and idealogies of spirituality.

I would say yes what you say the only person who will find out the best spiritual path is by looking deep into ones self and take it from there.

I agree on that. I tend to learn what I can from people but once I actually digest the information for myself, I find I am quite capable of cherry picking what is useful and what I can drop if I feel someone is way off base or entwining their own conclusions or interpretations.

The way I see it is no one knows all of the answers. But many different people have different pieces of the puzzle you may need to find what you're looking for. So you need to ask for advice/ guidance.

I suppose I learned more from eavesdropping than anything else. Because if you ask, people pick what they want to tell you, if you just listen quietly in a corner you learn a lot more.

good point

You can always learn a lot more by listening, rather than interjecting, thats for sure.

Im sorry but I missed who actually made this comment originally but I have to gently make a minor correction as I have studied this topic for several years.

The earliest known religions of humans date as far back as the Neolithic 10,000 B.C and there is substantial evidence to support that these early societies were matriarchal and Goddess/Earth worshiping peoples. It was MUCH later that Christianity and the concept of a singular male deity would reign supreme. This was a long process and took place over thousands of years in human cultural history. I wont begin to show the documentation of this unless requested.

I think Ruth as for myself know that the worshipping and practice of paganism/wiccan as of other spiritual belief systems in this area was and is a belief system that started way before Christianity set foot on these lands. What Ruth is saying is that this belief system wasn't seen as a terrible satanistic practice until the Christians labeled it so. For we know that the mediterrenean mythologies, especially Christian belief system forced their belief systems to other cultures, which means they also made sure that those who practiced other belief systems were already labeled as heathens/infidels/ or what have you because they didn't support Christianity.

Oh yeah that I absolutely agree with. I was speaking of the very first recorded religious beliefs of humans. At least as far back as archeologists can excavate. This would be going back nearly 10,000 years before Christianity. JC (if he existed) was martyred in 34 or 35 BCE, and his little cult elevated him to the level of a messiah
or a savior.

Makes one wonder if it truly all started there what you indicated. If that is the starting stone of religion in general. Come on Archaelogists dig deeper in Earth! There has to be another civilization that we don't know about

Huh? They have excavations of the Neolithic. Christianity is the new kid on the block by comparison. You gotta be kidding me. You arent going down that " the earth is only 6000 years old" road are ya?