Thank you for answering the question.

Nature vs. Nurture. Tough call to some.

What makes the difference!!!! Leave them alone and live your own life's....I bet everyone of you has done something someone else would find abnormal.. Winx

Hi, Temp. Haven't seen you for awhile.

you would be hard pressed to find something i've done that most would find normal.

Do tell more.

It was funny when the Iranian President claimed "There are no Homosexuals in Iran."

In which it is partly true, Family members would kill the known said person. Tribal areas in Africa would do the same thing.

So, I can't say it is environmental conditioning.

My original theory was: the tight bond of religious rules over sexuality and over indulgence and lavish consumerism of the western society created an atmosphere for people to be obsence (sp?) with sexuality and thus choosing gay lifestyle.

After hearing simple tribal lifestyle do have some gay people, I don't believe it is a choice nuture... it is something of nature.

wow your right, I was taught to be white and those blacks *****ing they chose to be black.
And the jews same thing.
you right when you say "none of us are born a certain way".

uhg

uhg yourself seamonster, you obviously, as some others, read what you want into simple statements. A mind and personality develops as one grows, you were not born with the knowledge and beliefs, desires and such that you now have.Your life experiences made you what you are now. Too many factors involved in what one becomes as they grow older, people develop and change all the time. Some of the folks in here are reading way to much into a sentence, have at it, still doesn't change how I think or feel or anyone else. I have nothing against people based on their sexual orientation period, One of my best friends is gay, I know several gay people, they are nice, cool and I am glad to know them, does not change the fact that I don't think someone was born one way or the other, I'm not saying one has to think that way, it is my thought, the same as you put yours out here as well. do with it what you will, frankly this silly debate is getting old real quick, If you can't read simple sentence structure and get the intended meaning from it, then, go to remedial reading classes for adults or something.

my apologies for reading your statement wrong I see how that is done in here by me as well as others at this point ,

Hey ((( susie ))) tell sharon Hi for me.

I disagree with you. People who were raised in a good christian environment turned out to be serial killers. I myself got into a lot of crap at a young age and I came from a very respectful family and had four siblings who didn't get in a bit of trouble. So I DONT BUY IT that environment is the cause...SRY! Can you say it was the environment that caused all those priests to molest boys?

yup, they became the way they were based on their life experiences. Thats just my thoughts on it, you have yours, others have theirs.

Plz explain how life experiences of priests made them them gay and child molesters. I dont think I would want anything to do with that church!!!!!!

well, I wouldn't want anything to do with it either. Maybe it's the celibacy thing, hell I don't know, I just don't think they were born that way, It's just my thought and opinion, don't know why people can't accept that, others have their opinions as well, I'm not trying to do I'm right and they are wrong here, I just shared my thought on the subject, when really it's the marrieage issue, I already said I have no problem with civil unions, don't know what else to say, none of us can prove what we are saying is so. A gay person to me, would have the best insight into the matter myself, and from what I understand, many of them can't answer the question either.

first off I think at some point I called no uhg backs.
I do understand that you don't think they are born that way.
Science is getting close to saying they are, I'm not up on the layest study but the last I read they were saying the evidence is pointing to them being born that way, but lets say they are not.
I don't understand. why they can't get married if it makes them happy? Why are we wanting to make people unhappy?
There is way to much unhappyness in this world why add to it?

SharpShooter says: A gay person to me, would have the best insight into the matter myself, and from what I understand, many of them can't answer the question either.

I can accept that with no problem, in place of 'I think they are not born that way'. Had you said that in the first place you and I would not have had a problem at all. A gay person 'would' better know, and I agree that I am one of the few that can't answer that question but only because my case is very different. Because I had no attractions to girls at a very early age of course I can't answer whether gays are born gay or not, not being scientist. I was attracted to boys in school. I never had what most gays talk about, attractions to the same sex very young, and other examples like that of Foliel.

What makes me wonder about myself though, is that I learned when I was 18 that my twin brother was gay, and we lived seperately. So who knows if I might have been born gay and just not recognized it until much later. Men treated me with disrespect, but I have to wonder had I been really straight, I might have put up with the annoying side of males like most women of my time. Maybe if I was born gay, when I finally did have an encounter, it sealed my fate and made it easy to make that change for good. Who knows, and from my pov, who cares..

My decision was definitely a choice, proving only that there are many reasons why people either are gay or chose to be gay.

My new neighbors have known me for 3 years now and see me on a daily basis going about my life, they can see that I am in no way a threat to their marriages or their kids. I love to see marriages work, I don't care what configuration that marriage has. Life can be hard enough, it's wonderful to see people together. I just wish people who see us as so threatening could see us as we really are. Which is no different from you out side that which most people have a problem with.. sex. And even that is so exaggerated.

Science has determined gays are not a defect, though I will admit some in their youth act very irresponsible, but then so do straight youth. And only science will figure out the born or not issue in the long run. Why it matters is beyond me, considering the kinky stuff straights get into, I would say we are mild in comparison in most cases. lol

Anyway, not wanting to reignite something between you and me again, SharpShooter, just noticed that last remark you made and thought I would respond.

There's lots of stories about families that have more than one gay person in their immediate family. One where all five kids are gay.. I don't know of any life experience that would make all 5 gay if it didn't have something to do with birth. But again I am not a scientist, just an observer. Oh and by the way the mother of the 5 is a conservative. I wouldn't want to be in that family some days.. cuz she does have a problem with it. Don't know if she ever got over it.

How about this...

Christians seems to be the one with the most problem with this issue... Gay people getting married... because it is the "magic" "Sanctity" of the Holy Union.

Well too F bad!!!
Until Christians can prove it is so Sanctify and Holy, you wouldn't have a 60% divorce rate. Higher avg. than the non-Christians.

Bad marriages isn't because some Gay couple going to take away the meaning of Holy Union. It is taken away because Christianity has become Worldly. It has allowed Politics to mingle with Christianity for Political gains and power and MONEY.

There is no Magic or Sanctity of Marriage.. or fair tale about it. It does not belong on a pedestal... it is nothing special... it is just hardwork for any type of couples to live together in any duration of time.

Focus on your own marriage and family and how to make it better and F what a gay couple will do with their life... it is none of your business. You are not paying Taxes for their benefits... they are paying for yours.

To the last two posts..Both well said!!!

: i no that it is ok to be gay but i do not have a prob with it but in the book it say adam and eve not adam and steve u no it true and i am sorry to say that but u shud not put your in that hole you no that it like the. well you no you can if you are a man of the cloth but if you r gay well you no watt it is for one. but in the club of the church see i no and you it is a crok of sh>>>>it and we the small have to

Sorry man I didnt understand a word of that.