prove it

since you seem to think what you think is divinely correct

show some evidence

so yer not born male or female

so you can not be born with a birth defect

these things are developed as you age

interesting

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if she posted that

then she must be childish

after all it was her saying all adults left the discussion

and she was still here

something to think about

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and speaking of a real discussion

no one has given an answer to the constitional point i made

so maybe till some one can give a ligit argument to that

maybe they should quit casting stones

and stop judging others behavior

just a thought

so what the hell exactly are you complaining about, I just said I didn't think folks were born that way and you said the same thing, then go off on your other dribble, I like short simple answers when possible, winx question only required a short simple one, it was not a blanket statement that I can see, I could care less who people fall in love with, it doesn't affect me one way or the other. I read some things and felt like posting, will do it again i'm sure, your right, they are not born that way, its a choice

I don't have to prove chit to you, I made the statement that people are not born that way, you could no more prove they are than I could they aren't, your statement because I think it makes it so is stupid, no different than if I said the same to you in your dribble as well

I said a gay is not born gay, a murderer is not born a murder, if you are gonna quote me, at least get it right

a couple of you like bashing someone who left here cause she didn't agree with you, to0 bad,

I merely said I didn't think gays were born that way and all of a sudden you wanna act like i'm bashing gays, well, kiss the posterior end of my anatomy i guess, you're just looking for an argument, fine, I have lots of time and nothing else to do today.

You never know, that is a good question however. I believe ones enviroment has a lot to do with it.

your quote is in the post

a birth defect is a birth defect

some are mental

some are physical

if mental birth defects exist

then it is a possibility that one can have

a mental birth defect that can cause their sexuality to be misplaced

maybe they are born that way

who is anyone to say they know the mind of another

and who is to say how ones mind became the way it is

why is it so threatening to think they could be born that way

if the behavior is a choice why is it that others can post stats that children adopted by gays are more often straight than gay

is it a choice by some i would guess yes that is a possibility

is it a birth defect for others i would believe that is a probability

birth defects are real and who is to say they are limited to this but can not be that

where does anyone say you are bashing anyone

if you were going to post that accusation you should have quoted the post you are bashed in

I've never heard that being gay is a birth defect, I don't think anyone I know that is gay would think they have a birth defect either, It may be possible in some cases but I would think that would be the exception rather than the rule.

so they can be born that way then

interesting

and i never said all were born that way

The only reason I posted to begin with was a few pages back someone made the comment that Jesus was, might have been, could be, or born gay, and I replied that there is no way, and there isn't, If God spoke of it as an abomination, he is not going to create his son that way, not trying to bring religion into this, someone else did, I replied. I don't believe people are created that way, if you want to say "oh, I was born that way, it's not my fault," fine, have at it. I don't happen to believe it. Lots of factors come into play in the developement of people, their minds, their habits, actions, everything is a cause and effect of their background to some extent

i agree that many factors can play a role

but i also believe that you can also be born with the wrong sexual orientation

as many things that happen with birth defects it has to be a probability

are they born a murderer maybe but it does not give them a pass they still should get the penalty as handed down by the law

but homosexuality should not be a crime and they should have egual right per the constitution

no one has given a legit argument to show otherwise yet 40+ pages into this discussion

The way you put it, then, in some cases it may be possible, but then again, like you said, its a birth defect. I have a hard time thinking thats the norm though. If someone was truly born a murderer, I would have trouble blaming them for their actions, doesn't mean I wouldn't be for locking them up though. Gays should not be treated any different from other folks. we are all people regardless of sex preferences, you will not see me trying to make an argument for treating them any different in life. civil unions, i don't have a problem with that either. Holy matrimony, well yes, then I do have issues with it then. My only issue really was the one who said Jesus was gay and well, I'm gonna reply on that topic, thats just me. I don't think people are born one way or the other naturally, that included murderers, gays, mean, nice, or any way, it is enviromental and so many more things that develop people into what they are.

Not to worry, I learned never to get my hopes up to high at the age of 10.

i can agree with most of that

and the church should not be required to do any ceremony they feel is wrong that is their right

holy matrimony no way not in the christian sense

do civil marraiges use those two words

if ya go to the civil authority for the marriage are those words used

and it is still a marriage is it not

what words do atheists use

i feel we are at least 95% agreement sharp

I'm sure they have all types of vows, I saw something on tv about that not too long ago, the wording had been changed on some of the documents. If they are together, I have no problem with a civil union, they need it for insurance, taxes and a lot of things

That is the attitude we are so familiar with. Folks who think they are an authority on homosexuality and it's origin. Never mind that it's been around since humans have been around. Why would anyone take the advice of some one claiming to know something about something they are NOT?

I don't assume all straights are clueless, or unconcerned or un empathetic because you might be. I wonder if straights with a negative view of homosexuality were born clueless, our could it be the bigoted environment, or might one have had a clueless upbringing from a clueless parent or parents that didn't teach you anything? Or were afraid if they taught you that gays exist you might run out and experiment, forget that you would have to have the desire in the first place...

Was this topic started to get a responsible answer to the question of gay marriage? Or was it started as an outlet for people with differing levels of disgust to vent their displeasure and outright lack of knowledge of the subject of homosexuality in general.. Sigh!

Since it seems to have been a drive by plant by the original poster, it's more likely meant to start a fight than anything resembling rational thought by those using it to vent.

Saying someone is not born a certain way is not knocking them? First let's not pretend your not talking about gays here. Second, only to you would this not be an insult, you would have to have a clue first.

So what made you so clueless, were you born that way? Or was it one of the number of other things you suggested yourself, that made you so clueless?

Dang, maybe it's the coffee.

Warning: Gays, stop drinking the coffee, it might make you revert to being straight and clueless.

Now, SharpShooter, just how 'sharp' can one be when one has so little knowledge of the subject?

If this post was at all painful for you, then double that and you'll know how we feel.

But I imagine since you could give a 'flying f$ck'... then I expect you will not admit to being upset by my response.

Getting it yet?

This is exactly how I prefer NOT to carry on this discussion but if people expect us to sit by while clueless folks assume their words don't affect us or don't hurt us in some way, our only outlet at times is to respond in kind!!!!

YEs this is a two way street here, but we are not here to force you to consider being gay. We are not here to force some authority on you from a medical book. We are not here to prove our superiority. We are here simply in hopes that we can help you sort this out for yourself, by telling you a bit about how we feel, what we have experienced and what we are asking for. We are not asking for your permission, we are asking you how you would feel if you were in the same position being denied what were are denied.

That's all I can muster with out coffee. Oh wait, maybe I should rethink that coffee...

I haven't said one thing negative about gay's, don't know how you got that, I'll say it again, I don't think they are born that way is all