That is the attitude we are so familiar with. Folks who think they are an authority on homosexuality and it's origin. Never mind that it's been around since humans have been around. Why would anyone take the advice of some one claiming to know something about something they are NOT?

I don't assume all straights are clueless, or unconcerned or un empathetic because you might be. I wonder if straights with a negative view of homosexuality were born clueless, our could it be the bigoted environment, or might one have had a clueless upbringing from a clueless parent or parents that didn't teach you anything? Or were afraid if they taught you that gays exist you might run out and experiment, forget that you would have to have the desire in the first place...

Was this topic started to get a responsible answer to the question of gay marriage? Or was it started as an outlet for people with differing levels of disgust to vent their displeasure and outright lack of knowledge of the subject of homosexuality in general.. Sigh!

Since it seems to have been a drive by plant by the original poster, it's more likely meant to start a fight than anything resembling rational thought by those using it to vent.

Saying someone is not born a certain way is not knocking them? First let's not pretend your not talking about gays here. Second, only to you would this not be an insult, you would have to have a clue first.

So what made you so clueless, were you born that way? Or was it one of the number of other things you suggested yourself, that made you so clueless?

Dang, maybe it's the coffee.

Warning: Gays, stop drinking the coffee, it might make you revert to being straight and clueless.

Now, SharpShooter, just how 'sharp' can one be when one has so little knowledge of the subject?

If this post was at all painful for you, then double that and you'll know how we feel.

But I imagine since you could give a 'flying f$ck'... then I expect you will not admit to being upset by my response.

Getting it yet?

This is exactly how I prefer NOT to carry on this discussion but if people expect us to sit by while clueless folks assume their words don't affect us or don't hurt us in some way, our only outlet at times is to respond in kind!!!!

YEs this is a two way street here, but we are not here to force you to consider being gay. We are not here to force some authority on you from a medical book. We are not here to prove our superiority. We are here simply in hopes that we can help you sort this out for yourself, by telling you a bit about how we feel, what we have experienced and what we are asking for. We are not asking for your permission, we are asking you how you would feel if you were in the same position being denied what were are denied.

That's all I can muster with out coffee. Oh wait, maybe I should rethink that coffee...

SharpShooter10 says: so what the hell exactly are you complaining about, I just said I didn't think folks were born that way and you said the same thing, then go off on your other dribble, I like short simple answers when possible, winx question only required a short simple one, it was not a blanket statement that I can see, I could care less who people fall in love with, it doesn't affect me one way or the other. I read some things and felt like posting, will do it again i'm sure, your right, they are not born that way, its a choice.



You sir, prove my point if nothing else. I did not agree with you that gays are not born gay. Please read the full content before responding? I hate repeating myself over and over to people that scan posts but don't read them in full. I said it may very well be that gays are born gay, but for my situation I chose it, and between you and me, I made a good decision, becuase I keep meeting men such as yourself that thought they knew it all, among other annoying traits of ''some insecure straight'' males. Lucky for me, I eventually met some really evolved males, but it was too late, I chose to stay gay. My choice, my business and my pleasure, frankly!

Maybe your preference for 'short simple answers' is part of the problem here. This issue does not lend it self to short simple answers or this topic would have ended by now.

And once again, I do not know how gays became gay any more than you do. But to assume they are NOT born gay is for your short simple answer: arrogant and uneducated.

Sharpshooter says: I haven't said one thing negative about gay's, don't know how you got that, I'll say it again, I don't think they are born that way is all..........



You would have to recognize it to know whether you have or not. I can't help you with that if after as much as I have said you still see no problem.

How I got what way? Gay? If you had paid attention to this thread from the beginning you would not need to ask me that question. I have answered it several times, and do not have the engery to repeat if for someone who requires very little response, and who could care less as you have told us.

And I too will say it again, sir. what you think and what is possible or true is a very different thing. Fine you don't think we are born gay... so what is it you feel you have to add to this discussion that is motivational or educational to those who might be questioning their preconcieved ideas?

Sharpshooter says: I haven't said one thing negative about gay's, don't know how you got that, I'll say it again, I don't think they are born that way is all..........



You would have to recognize it to know whether you have or not. I can't help you with that if after as much as I have said you still see no problem.

How I got what way? Gay? If you had paid attention to this thread from the beginning you would not need to ask me that question. I have answered it several times, and do not have the engery to repeat if for someone who requires very little response, and who could care less as you have told us.

And I too will say it again, sir. what you think and what is possible or true is a very different thing. Fine you don't think we are born gay... so what is it you feel you have to add to this discussion that is motivational or educational to those who might be questioning their preconcieved ideas?

you were not the one that made the warning statement and that was for them, if you want to argue, I'm in the mood, like I said, I haven't said one thing against gay people, I made the statement that I did not believe they are born that way, I don't think Dahmer was born a lunatic and a cannibal, he became that way somewhere along the line in my opinion, this is barring the birth defect thing discussed earlier.

The person that gave the warning often doesn't add anything positive to this topic either. But to let go what you said as if your message is the last word on the subject is more than I can bare.

You might be in the mood for argument. But I am not in the mood for illogical argument or repetition.

Thank you so much for associating the born gay issue with Dohmer, and associating us with a birth defect. Again you prove my point, sadly!

The person that gave the warning often doesn't add anything positive to this topic either. But to let go what you said as if your message is the last word on the subject is more than I can bare.

You might be in the mood for argument. But I am not in the mood for illogical argument or repetition.

Thank you so much for associating the born gay issue with Dohmer, and associating us with a birth defect. Again you prove my point, sadly!

So, here is a great little bit from The Daily Show where Mike Huckabee and John Stewart talk about gay marriage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWlxwO36Ztc

Stewart engages Huckabee in an intelligent debate and at one point asks him this, and I am paraphrasing, "At what age did you choose to no be gay"

If you believe being gay is a choice then by implication you are saying we all choose our sexuality.

Stewart also makes another excellent point about religion being a choice. Far more of a choice than sexuality.

Please have a listen.

So, here is a great little bit from The Daily Show where Mike Huckabee and John Stewart talk about gay marriage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWlxwO36Ztc

Stewart engages Huckabee in an intelligent debate and at one point asks him this, and I am paraphrasing, "At what age did you choose to no be gay"

If you believe being gay is a choice then by implication you are saying we all choose our sexuality.

Stewart also makes another excellent point about religion being a choice. Far more of a choice than sexuality.

Please have a listen.

Warning back, what the heck are you talking about, I will share my belief where I choose, I don't believe anyone is born that way, there not born anyway, people develop into what they become, based on their life, their experiences, upbringing, and a whole host of daily , monthly and yearly influences in their life. So Good luck to you as well, don't need any advice from you thats for sure, and warn someone who really gives a flying Fvck