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Know this, the term "christian" is a term that was coined much after the death of Christ. It was probobly coined (thought up) by Paul the doctor who spent much of his time writing his interprtation of what God and Christ wanted everyone to be doing. I'm not dish'in the dude, he probobly really was trying to help. Unfortunatly too many people are stuck in this idea that the "bible" is Gods holy word. While some of it may be, most of it is not any more "Gods holy word" than what you have just read about the forgiveness available to us through the grace of God. This is where people often get sidelined, YOU CAN NOT WORK YOUR WAY INTO THE GOOD GRACES OF HEAVEN. It is a gift, it is totaly free. You do not have to go and pretend to give God 10% of something He already owns. It is all about grace and love. NOT SERVITUDE! |
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*burp*... 'scuse me 
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*burp*... 'scuse me
 
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Damn Abra, we actually almost agree on something!
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*burp*... 'scuse me
 
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Fri 11/28/08 12:50 PM
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That's false. The Old Testament and the New Testament both speak of "the adversary". Jesus taught about the adversary, so Christianity from it's very origins have had the concept of a spiritual adversary of humans.
But that's sort of beside the point, because Satan doesn't make anyone sin, all sins originate in our own hearts. Spider I was not singling you out or even addressing you but speaking in general to the thread. However, this is not false. My statment stands. Im not a Christian but I can still clearly see the necessity of such a dichotomy. The need to have an ultimate evil to balance the ultimate good. Or, more precisely, the need for a scape-goat when things don't turn out the way they were planned. Historically there has always been a connection to the earth and underground, so such Gods as Hades play an important role. Some religions had the dead ascending, some had them sailing or marching to distant lands, and others had them descending. When Christianity was sponsored it was trying to replace the prevalent religion of the the polytheistic roman religion. They sent their dead to the underworld, so Christianity naturally sent their dead to the skies and had the underworld as an evil place, ruled by an evil being. Their main problem was that their monotheistic religion could allow only one God, so his arch rival had to be the next best thing, an angel, and part of his greater plan. It doesn't sit well, as he should be able to thwart Satan, Lucifer, the Devil, and stop all the bad things from happening. So, he was not invented, but evolved to fill a niche. |
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Edited by
tribo
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Fri 11/28/08 01:06 PM
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BS spidey!! that's the biggest cop out yet!! the bible clearly states if you don't accept Jesus as YOUR personal savior - you will not go to heaven!! so if the non believing Muslim girl did not accept Christ, then where is she?? in purgatory? Sheol? Gehenna? hades? hell? bottom line is your playing the christian fool here in making it sound like "you don't know" it is explicitly stated what will happen to the Muslim or any pagan who does not accept Christ - talk about not being honest - that's crap spidey!! There is no such thing as purgatory. Romans 2:14-15 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; Gentiles are a law unto themselves. John 9:41 Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now you are saying, 'We see,' so your sin remains. I don't know the hypothetical girls heart. I don't know if she was aware of her sins or if she repented of her sins. That's God's place to judge and not mine. I was completely honest and what I said has now been supported by scripture. I except an apology from you for implying that I was being dishonest. nice try no gold ring!! go buy Jesus words!! can a person go to heaven any other way than by accepting JESUS CHRIST according to the book?? NO!!! so if you hold this true, then if she did not accept him she is not in heaven - leaving the other choices i outlined minus purgatory if you don't hold to that the rest = hell/separation from the god and his heavenly host. I'll accept your apology when your ready! The second quote is from Jesus. John 9:41 Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now you are saying, 'We see,' so your sin remains. He is speaking of spiritual blindness, which is a condition that we all live in during the early years of our life. For the Christian, the entire Bible is the word of God. So while the words of Jesus hold a special significance to the Christian, the words of Paul, Peter, John and the other authors of both the New and Old Testament are also truthful and useful in teaching and moral guidance. Edit: Your objection that I must use "the words of Jesus" is without merit in any Biblical theological discussion. No reputable theologian would say "Well if Jesus didn't say it, I'm going to ignore it". So my first quote stands Romans 2:14-15 is equally valid as any other scripture. My objection???? did Christ not say - there is no other name under heaven that which you can be saved than the name of JESUS?? that's the cornerstone of Christianity spidey!! there is "NO OTHER NAME" under heaven by which you can be saved!! you may quote from any other sources in the book you care to, but to state that Paul's words have more worth than Jesus' is foolish. your trying to be a papal politician so as to not offend others and in doing so show yourself to be just that!! according to your book there "IS NO OTHER WAY" to get to heaven than by/through Christ!! so how is a Muslim/Buddhist/Taoist/or believer in Krishna or others supposed to get there then? Questions: 1) can anyone who does not believe that Jesus is lord/god and died for their sins and accept him into their hearts as lord and savior enter heaven? 2) can being good or religious or faithful to anyone but Jesus get you into heaven? if the answers are "NO" then how can you say that you don't know?? if Jesus is "THE ONLY WAY" and he himself states this to be so - then what hope is there for those who don't? Paul's words? there not even clear on this - Jesus WAS!! believe and live in heaven - don't and die and be in hell. pretty cut and dry. your holding out false hope for your own agendas to those who do not believe this. you may think its true - but it is not. its excruciatingly plain to anyone who reads what the choice is. yet you would have others believe if they lead a good life their is hope. you go against the very foundation of Christianity spider, that which you claim to follow and believe. Romans 2:14-15 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; this is a perfect example Paul is talking of how the gentiles can come to Jesus being convicted by their hearts of the laws gos put forth. again it does not mean they will be saved by any other means than Christ!! if my words offend you they should - you are preaching against your own beliefs that can be seen by anyone who reads the words. your setting up your own foundation for what is said instead of following what is stated clearly!! you are either doing this in ignorance or in blatant dis-reguard for your own capacity to understand as you deem responsible. get off your paper pulpit and go pray spider and ask forgiveness from your god. you have undermined the very foundation of your own faith by trying to make others believe a lie. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Fri 11/28/08 01:29 PM
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Yet if a child molester or a rapist suddenly "finds Jesus" in prison, he goes directly to heaven, yet the 15 year old innocent victim he raped and murdered who happened to be a Muslim? What is to become of her? Appeal to Emotion Fallacy. 1) If the Child molester or rapist is saved, then yes he is saved. That's how it works. All sin is wrong in God's eyes, but Jesus has already paid the price for our sins. You can condemn yourself to hell for lying, lusting or raping, any sin is a slip from perfection and therefore a reason to be condemned. 2) The hypothetical Muslim girl...I don't know. I'm not God, I cannot judge if someone will go to heaven or hell. It's an appeal to emotion because rather than using argumentation to prove your point, you are simply making a sad scenario in an attempt to disprove Christianity or prove it to be unfair. Christians believe that all are sinners, so I cannot pretend to be better than anyone. I'm not going to heaven because of anything I have done or not done, other than accepting Jesus as my savior. Christians don't automatically assume that all non-Christians are going to hell. Some are and some aren't, it's not for me to judge who is and isn't. So while I would mourn for the girl, I wouldn't think to guess where her soul would end up. BS spidey!! thats the biggest cop out yet!! the bible clearly states if you dont accept jesus as YOUR personal savior - you will not go to heaven!! so if the non beleiveing muslim girl did not accept christ, then where is she?? in purgatory? sheol? gahenna? hades? hell? bottom line is your playing the christian fool here in making it sound like "you dont know" it is explicitly stated what will happen to the muslim or any pagan who does not accept christ - talk about not being honest - thats crap spidey!! Children go straight to heaven......simply because they are not held accountable. God is a merciful God ..and knows a child is too young yet to understand, and thus is not able to make a willing decision one way or another about Christ....and some aren't even born yet. The only way anyone doesn't get to heaven ,is by simply rejecting Jesus. But a child is too young to understand and is therefore NOT held accountable. And as for others..... ALL ...EVERYONE is given ample opportunity to know Christ..... we have to remember now.... it is GOD that does the DRAWING TOWARDS HIM ....AND THE SAVING..NOT US!! MEANING..IF GOD thru HiS HOLY SPIRIT is the ONE Who does the DRAWING.... well...... THEN GOD IS MORE THAN ABLE TO GET MAN'S ATTENTION.... AND KNOWS THE TIME EACH MAN IS READY TO ACCEPT HIM. AND GOD IS PREPARING THE HEARTS .....CAUSE JESUs IS SPOKEN OF IN EVERY RELGION.... THUS ...PEOPLE ARE HEARING OF JESUS... AND THAT IS THE FIRST STEP.... GOD TAKES IT FROM THERE .AND EVEN DRAW PEOPLE OF EVERY FAITH UNTO HIM... AND LEAD THEM THE REST OF THE WAY..TO KNOW HIM COMPLETELY AS LORD AND SAVIOUR!!! AGAIN....LET'S NOT PUT GOD IN A BOX..... LET'S NOT UNDER ESTIMATE THE POWER OF GOD TO SAVE TO THE UTTERMOST!!! GOD IS MORE THAN ABLE TO SAVE... AND MAKE HIMSELF KNOWN TO ALL... IN WAYS WE MAY NOT UNDERSTAND. GOD IS MERCIFUL AND A LOVING GOD!!! AGAIN.........GOD NEVER REJECTS NO MAN....... NEVER EVER EVER!! IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND.... MAN REJECTS GOD!!! 
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That's false. The Old Testament and the New Testament both speak of "the adversary". Jesus taught about the adversary, so Christianity from it's very origins have had the concept of a spiritual adversary of humans.
But that's sort of beside the point, because Satan doesn't make anyone sin, all sins originate in our own hearts. Spider I was not singling you out or even addressing you but speaking in general to the thread. However, this is not false. My statment stands. Im not a Christian but I can still clearly see the necessity of such a dichotomy. The need to have an ultimate evil to balance the ultimate good. Or, more precisely, the need for a scape-goat when things don't turn out the way they were planned. Historically there has always been a connection to the earth and underground, so such Gods as Hades play an important role. Some religions had the dead ascending, some had them sailing or marching to distant lands, and others had them descending. When Christianity was sponsored it was trying to replace the prevalent religion of the the polytheistic roman religion. They sent their dead to the underworld, so Christianity naturally sent their dead to the skies and had the underworld as an evil place, ruled by an evil being. Their main problem was that their monotheistic religion could allow only one God, so his arch rival had to be the next best thing, an angel, and part of his greater plan. It doesn't sit well, as he should be able to thwart Satan, Lucifer, the Devil, and stop all the bad things from happening. So, he was not invented, but evolved to fill a niche. I'm sorry, but none of that addresses the fact that the adversary was described in the Old and New testaments. Satan has always been depicted as a spiritual adversary to humans, he's not on the same level as God. To imply that he was or needs to be is to ignore what the Bible says in favor of your own beliefs. If that is what you want to do, then more power to you, but don't think to lecture Christians about what they believe. You aren't qualified, as you haven't studied or practiced the religion. I'm asking you to be fair here, I can't force you to be, but I'm going to have to trust in your own sense of honesty and fair play. The Jewish "hell" (Sheol) was always described as being in the ground, so it has that context. Heaven is used to describe three different things. 1) the sky 2) Space 3) Where God dwells (there is a 4th Heaven introduced in Revelation, but that would just needlessly complicate this discussion). When Christians talk about going to heaven, they are talking about a place outside of time and space. Up is a very simplistic view of the concept. If you think of an egg with the earth in the center, God is outside of the shell. If God were to come to earth (as Jesus will), he would pass through the heavens one at a time until he reached earth. Which is what is described in the Bible, when it says Jesus will descend from the sky. So the belief that "good people go up, so bad people must go down" is very simplistic and something Christians give up for a more complex and accurate model as they mature. So that I'm not offering gratuitous assertions: "Satan arose against Israel and incited David to number Israel." - 1 Chronicles 21:1 "One day the divine beings presented themselves before the LORD, and the satan came along with them. The LORD said to the Adversary, 'Where have you been?' Satan answered the LORD, 'I have been roaming all over the earth.' The LORD said to Satan, "Have you noticed my servant Job?" - Job 1:6-8 Both of these verses are mentions of Satan in the Old Testament. When taken in context, both scriptures present Satan as a spiritual adversary to mankind. 1 Peter 5:8 Be of sober spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. Mark 1:13 And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him. In the New Testament, Satan is mentioned many times. So I feel that I have offered evidence to show that Satan was always a peice of the Judeo-Christian philosophy, could you please offer some evidence to support your position? |
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Yet if a child molester or a rapist suddenly "finds Jesus" in prison, he goes directly to heaven, yet the 15 year old innocent victim he raped and murdered who happened to be a Muslim? What is to become of her? Appeal to Emotion Fallacy. 1) If the Child molester or rapist is saved, then yes he is saved. That's how it works. All sin is wrong in God's eyes, but Jesus has already paid the price for our sins. You can condemn yourself to hell for lying, lusting or raping, any sin is a slip from perfection and therefore a reason to be condemned. 2) The hypothetical Muslim girl...I don't know. I'm not God, I cannot judge if someone will go to heaven or hell. It's an appeal to emotion because rather than using argumentation to prove your point, you are simply making a sad scenario in an attempt to disprove Christianity or prove it to be unfair. Christians believe that all are sinners, so I cannot pretend to be better than anyone. I'm not going to heaven because of anything I have done or not done, other than accepting Jesus as my savior. Christians don't automatically assume that all non-Christians are going to hell. Some are and some aren't, it's not for me to judge who is and isn't. So while I would mourn for the girl, I wouldn't think to guess where her soul would end up. BS spidey!! thats the biggest cop out yet!! the bible clearly states if you dont accept jesus as YOUR personal savior - you will not go to heaven!! so if the non beleiveing muslim girl did not accept christ, then where is she?? in purgatory? sheol? gahenna? hades? hell? bottom line is your playing the christian fool here in making it sound like "you dont know" it is explicitly stated what will happen to the muslim or any pagan who does not accept christ - talk about not being honest - thats crap spidey!! Children go straight to heaven......simply because they are not held accountable. God is a merciful God ..and knows a child is too young yet to understand, and thus is not able to make a willing decision one way or another about Christ....and some aren't even born yet. The only way anyone doesn't get to heaven ,is by simply rejecting Jesus. But a child is too young to understand and is therefore NOT held accountable.
i understand that's a concept - where is it stated as such in the book? when Jesus talks of this he is merely making a statement that those who will be like little children he does not infer that little children go to heaven? I as you would like to think such but show me where it unequivicably states this please?? |
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Historians have estimated that by the year 200 CE, less than one percent of the population of the central provinces of the Roman Empire were Christians and these were almost all confined to dwellers in the cities and town. The rural folk held so strongly to their old beliefs that the Latin term for peasants, pagani, became for Christians the generic term for adherents of the old religions.
Christianity was not doing well at all even after coming under the imperial favor of the emperor Constantine in the early fourth century. Even after the conversion of Constantine the growth of the religion had stagnated and it is a historical fact that by the beginning of the fourth century the Christian church was already on its death throes; partly due to the persecution by the Emperor Diocletian and due to the intense competition for converts by the rival religion, Mithraism. Even after the council of Nicaea decided that Jesus was divine, and the heretics who said otherwise had all been slaughtered, more was needed to win converts. It didn't offer a superior theology or morality, so why not play on one of humankind’s most basic fears: death, the dissolution of the individual ego. Promise people eternal life, even though there is absolutely no evidence to support this belief, because most people are so terrified of death that they cling to this promise, insisting that it must be true. Offer them personal immortality if they accept Christian dogma and faith but tell them that they will burn in Hell for eternity if they don't. Thessalonians 1:6-9 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power.
Make sure that those who teach or believes anything to the contrary is vilified: Galations 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Prov 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. 1 Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Making sure that the consequences of not following instructions are dire: Hebrews 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Luke 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.
Make sure to equate those who don't believe with wickedness: Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness.
Insist that non-believers who do not follow the prescribed instructions or have the courage not to conform will be punished by God. Corinthians 10:5-6: Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
Blah Blah, Im not even going to bother with Revelations because you as a Christian know dam well how bad it gets there. Christianity gives mankind an ultimatum based on a foundation of fear, believe and you will live forever. Disbelieve and burn in hell. Another question raised by the Christian theology of hell is: how could those who go to heaven ever be happy when they knew of the terrible atrocities being inflicted on these whom their loving God has damned in hell? The early Christian theologian Tertullian had no problem with the Christians being in Heaven while horrendous pain and punishment was being inflicted on non-believers. He said that he actually looked forward to the day when, after joining the elect in heaven, he would see all those who had opposed Christianity burning in the flames of hell. He wrote: "How shall I admire, how laugh, how rejoice, how exult, when I behold so many kings and false gods, together with Jove himself, groaning in the lowest abyss of darkness! so many magistrates who persecuted the name of the Lord, liquefying in fiercer flames than they ever kindled against Christians; so many sage philosophers, with their deluded scholars, blushing in raging fire!" What a fine example of Christian love and charity! Lovely. 
Another unjust feature of the traditional Christian hell is that whether we're sent to heaven or hell doesn't depend at all on our actions during our lifes but only on whether we believe in Jesus at the moment we die. This means that non-Christians, even though they may have lived an exemplary altruistic life would automatically be consigned to the atrocities of hell, while a person who had committed unspeakable crimes but later repented and turned to Jesus, would go to heaven. This means that Hitler, who considered himself to be a good Catholic, and had a deep faith in Jesus, is in heaven but most of his victims are not. This doctrine is partly based on Mark 16:16 'He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.' So much for the Muslim girl in my "emotionally charged" scenario huh? |
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If God commanded that we do mean and nasty things, what would be the right thing to do? Was it just a verbal request or did it come on formal stationary? 
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Tribo...about children going to heaven....
Children are NOT old enough to understand sin. Jesus said the Holy Spirit would convict the world of sin, righteousness and the judgment to come. Meaning .... people must be capable of being convicted of their sins by the Holy Spirit ,before they can accept Jesus. A child can't understand yet . When King David's child became very ill, King David fasted and prayed to God for his son to live, but his son died. Then, this is when David said about his son who died, "I Will GO TO HIM, but he will not return to me" (II Samuel 12:23).
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My objection???? did Christ not say - there is no other name under heaven that which you can be saved than the name of JESUS?? that's the cornerstone of Christianity spidey!! there is "NO OTHER NAME" under heaven by which you can be saved!! No, Jesus didn't say that. He said "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.". You are quoting Acts 4:12 "There is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved". But that doesn't change what I have said. I don't believe that Jesus' name is a magic word. Therefore, name must mean something else, right? onoma (name) the name is used for everything which the name covers, everything the thought or feeling of which is aroused in the mind by mentioning, hearing, remembering, the name, i.e. for one's rank, authority, interests, pleasure, command, excellences, deeds etc. This is speaking of Jesus' power to save, not that his name is magical and will bring salvation. The power belongs to Jesus alone and regardless of if you know his name or speak it, Jesus has the power to save. you may quote from any other sources in the book you care to, but to state that Paul's words have more worth than Jesus' is foolish. I haven't said that, but they do compliment each other. You seem to prefer taking the scriptures out of context, whereas I am leaving them in the context in which they are intended. your trying to be a papal politician so as to not offend others and in doing so show yourself to be just that!! I'm saying what I honestly believe. If you can't accept that, then so be it. according to your book there "IS NO OTHER WAY" to get to heaven than by/through Christ!! so how is a Muslim/Buddhist/Taoist/or believer in Krishna or others supposed to get there then? "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." doesn't necessarily mean that Jesus will reject everyone. If that's true, then why does the book of Hebrews list many individuals from the Old Testament who were saved? Salvation is a bit more complicated than "Are you a Christian? No? Okay, go to hell". Questions: 1) can anyone who does not believe that Jesus is lord/god and died for their sins and accept him into their hearts as lord and savior enter heaven? Yes. Now how encompassing that belief is, I can't say. But Abraham didn't know Jesus, but he was saved. Knowing the name isn't necessary. The criteria aren't laid out in detail in the Bible. The surest way to heaven is by accepting Jesus. The other way might lead to heaven, but probably leads to hell. I can't say, I'm not the judge. But the Bible leaves plenty of possibility that people can go to heaven regardless of their religion. 2) can being good or religious or faithful to anyone but Jesus get you into heaven? I don't know. Once again, the subject isn't fully explored in the Bible. Paul did teach that Gentiles are a law unto their own. How far that goes, I can't say. Is it possible that a non-Christian who lives a good life can go to heaven? I think so. But I don't think it's very likely. I've read that a persons attitude is what is important. One author suggested that a person who trusts in God to forgive him his sins, while trying to avoid sins is what Paul was talking about. I'm not sure, so rather than make guesses I will say what the Bible seems to be clear about "It's possible". if Jesus is "THE ONLY WAY" and he himself states this to be so - then what hope is there for those who don't? Paul's words? there not even clear on this - Jesus WAS!! believe and live in heaven - don't and die and be in hell. pretty cut and dry. Right, Jesus said he is the only way. But would he accept someone who was spiritually blind? Yes, he said so himself. "If you were blind, you would be without sin" Is it possible that a person who isn't spiritually blind could go to heaven, without accepting Jesus? It's possible, but that's for God to judge. Obviously God knows that not many can do that, so he died for our sins. your holding out false hope for your own agendas to those who do not believe this. you may think its true - but it is not. its excruciatingly plain to anyone who reads what the choice is. There are many Christians who hold to this belief. Pastors on a Christian radio program (To Every Man An Answer) have verbalize the same belief. The pastors at STR (Stands To Reason) ministries have also suggested that a non-Christian who has never heard of Jesus could go to heaven. We aren't lying, the Bible does suggest this. Jesus assured the people that if they were blind they would be without sin. yet you would have others believe if they lead a good life their is hope. you go against the very foundation of Christianity spider, that which you claim to follow and believe. No, it doesn't. Paul was a pillar in the Church. Jesus is the foundation of the church. Both suggested that some non-Christians would be saved. I don't know how many and I don't know that you can be saved by your actions, it is the condition of your heart. I imagine it will be rare for a non-Christian to go to heaven, but it will be fairly uncommon for a Christian to go to heaven also. Romans 2:14-15 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; this is a perfect example Paul is talking of how the gentiles can come to Jesus being convicted by their hearts of the laws gos put forth. again it does not mean they will be saved by any other means than Christ!! No, you are not correctly interpreting this scripture. Read what I have already posted. if my words offend you they should - you are preaching against your own beliefs that can be seen by anyone who reads the words. your setting up your own foundation for what is said instead of following what is stated clearly!! you are either doing this in ignorance or in blatant dis-reguard for your own capacity to understand as you deem responsible. get off your paper pulpit and go pray spider and ask forgiveness from your god. you have undermined the very foundation of your own faith by trying to make others believe a lie. What I have said is supported by many Christians. Many Christians believe that children who die are not found guilty. Many Christians believe that the mentally handicapped will not be found guilty. Many Christians believe that the non-Christian who seeks God's mercy while practicing another religion will be saved. If you don't agree, then fine. But you are needlessly insulting me and being biggoted and offensive. In one breath you will mock the number of denominations within Christianity (IE Diversity of beliefs) and in the next you will denounce my beliefs as non-Christian. As if you would know a Christian belief if you heard one. The official Catholic position on non-Christians going to heaven... http://www.christusrex.org/www1/CDHN/v1.html#Church "5. The non-Christian may not be blamed for his ignorance of Christ and his Church; salvation is open to him also, if he seeks God sincerely and if he follows the commands of his conscience, for through this means the Holy Ghost acts upon all men; this divine action is not confined within the limited boundaries of the visible Church." So let's see...there are around a billion Catholics in the world, so tell me Tribo, where do you get off saying that they are all going against their religion? Isn't it true that it is YOU who is wrong? You who are twisting the scriptures to support your bigoted, biased and closed minded view of Christianity? |
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Tribo...about children going to heaven.... Children are NOT old enough to understand sin. Jesus said the Holy Spirit would convict the world of sin, righteousness and the judgment to come. Meaning .... people must be capable of being convicted of their sins by the Holy Spirit ,before they can accept Jesus. A child can't understand yet . When King David's child became very ill, King David fasted and prayed to God for his son to live, but his son died. Then, this is when David said about his son who died, "I Will GO TO HIM, but he will not return to me" (II Samuel 12:23).
thnx for that my lady. |
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If God commanded that we do mean and nasty things, what would be the right thing to do? Was it just a verbal request or did it come on formal stationary?
What if it came by email? I would just claim that I missed the interoffice delivery. 
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If God commanded that we do mean and nasty things, what would be the right thing to do? Was it just a verbal request or did it come on formal stationary?
What if it came by email? I would just claim that I missed the interoffice delivery.
if it was email it would get caught by my spam filter ..
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If God commanded that we do mean and nasty things, what would be the right thing to do? Was it just a verbal request or did it come on formal stationary?
Brick through the window, perhaps? |
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If God commanded that we do mean and nasty things, what would be the right thing to do? Was it just a verbal request or did it come on formal stationary?
Brick through the window, perhaps? seems a little archaic for a supreme being ... but perhaps ... ummmm, throw it back? |
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If God commanded that we do mean and nasty things, what would be the right thing to do? Was it just a verbal request or did it come on formal stationary?
Brick through the window, perhaps? seems a little archaic for a supreme being ... but perhaps ... ummmm, throw it back? Well, it sort of was going with the theme...."Do lots of evil and mean things, by order of god."
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