Can you tell me this: What about a God who wants to judge his creations do you find to be ludicrous? Throughout time, most religions that presented gods as wanting to judge their creations and followers. Explain to me why this belief doesn't make sense.

God did not command that we do "mean nasty things"! Some dude's that had a dream or something decided to write down some words and try to get people to believe them so they would not have to go out and do any physical work to support themselves. Then Jesus showed up some thousands of years later to try to straighten the mess out, and these lazy yeahoos plotted and had him killed for it. Quit giving God the credit for things he did not do. It does not matter what some old philosopher wrote several thousand years ago so that he could live off of the sweet of someone elses labor. We all know we should not harm or take advantage of other people...at all!

Well doesnt he do that all the time? The Witches? The Crusades? What baffles me is why people listen to this stuff to begin with. You can just invent whatever you want the bible to say anyway. Its always open to people's misinterpretations.

If a voice suppose to be GOD told me to kill someone I would just tell him to phuck himself

Krimsa, when You say "he" are you refering to God, or some ass_ _ _ _ that wanted to be a lazy f_ _ _ and sit around making crap up about Gods rules for a good and healthy life so that they would not have to go out and do any real physical labor for a living?

exactly right my friend. If those idiots that go out and START wars (people like those who fly airplanes into buildings and park truck bombs outside of buildings) had the same attitude toward the governements and religious leaders who tell them to fight, we would not be in the horrible situation we are in now!

Im referring to god which would be the same invented premise conjured up by a bunch of supposedly "divinely inspired" agenda driven men.

It doesn't make sense because it implies that those Gods never matured beyond the ego.

It just isn't necessary to have judmental Gods.

If you need to turn to a God for moral values how sad is that?

Who do you think a God would be more pleased with:

1. A believer in the Bible who actually wants to do bad things but only refrains from doing them either for the reward of eternal life, or out of fear of eternal damnation?

Or

2. A non-believer who just naturally wants to do good things?

Which person do you think a truly divine being would be more pleased with?

The idea of a God who is totally obcessed with people believing in him and fearing his wrath is ludicous.

Yes, im my opinion that's ludicous.

I don't believe in egotistically judmental Gods.

Religions that have judgmental Gods only cause their followers to be judgmental.

You've voiced many times that you feel that same-gender lover is against the will of God.

Well, that's a judgment. You're juging that activity to be against the will of our creator.

You will argue, "No I'm not judging at all, this is what God's word SAYS!"

Excuse me, but didn't I just say that a judgmental religion causes its followers to become judgmental?

Just becuase you believe that the judgment is 'God's Word' doesn't change the fact that you're judging it to be against the will of God.

As long as you believe that the Bible is the 'word of God' you'll never see your folly.

Abra,

Here is the problem with you position: Almost all of the world's population believe in a judgmental god. A god who created mankind with a purpose and instilled that purpose within our hearts. A god who wants to know why we do what we do. This makes sense to many people. Otherwise, if we are not judged, then all are equal in god's eyes. So a child molester is morally the same as the child he violates in a non-judgmental god's eyes. To me, that is the abominable god. One who doesn't make a distinction between good and bad, but views both as equals.

But you are right about a religion that offers a carrot in exchange for good deeds. Christianity doesn't, which makes it unique among world religions. Our salvation is in Jesus, not in our actions. So we are able to believe in God and do good deeds out of our own desire to be good.

Yet if a child molester or a rapist suddenly "finds Jesus" in prison, he goes directly to heaven, yet the 15 year old innocent victim he raped and murdered who happened to be a Muslim? What is to become of her?

I was just wondering, It sounded like you were blaming God for what some freaking ASS_____s have done!

Appeal to Emotion Fallacy.

some high level intellectual way of getting out of thinking about or answering it?

i'm actually curious... about the answer pweez

Well simply answer the question then. If I am mistaken in my understanding on how this little pony show works, surely you can clear up for me?

I am under the distinct impression here that there is some "selective saving" going on.

I believe that if there is a Just God that he/she/it/? would be completely fair and judge according to the knowledge that a person has aquired. It is kind of like a culpability clause! And yes, If someone person is truely remorse ful about there prior actions, It does not matter what they have done in the past God will forgive. The way someone proves to God that they are truely remorse full about their prior evil or bad acts is not by telling a preist or a church congregation about their "sins". It is by asking the lord God almighty to forgive them AND NOT DOING BAD THINGS TO OTHER PEOPLE ANYMORE! Sorry for yelling, it's just that there seems to be alot of people in the world that think as long as they go to some gathering once a week or so, eat a little bread and drink a little wine(usually grape juice) they have the right to go out and act anyway they want th rest of the time...NOT

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A person should make their own decisions as best they can and all times, and they should not ever listen to the voices in their heads or burning bushes or any other apparition that they might construe as "God."

Okay, fine, so the rapist is saved because he converted while in prison. Many of them do that because they get privileges in there once they convert.

But that doesnt exactly answer the question of what would become of the Muslim girl now does it? Is she bound for hell? What would happen to her exactly in the eyes of the Christians and what you believe?

1) If the Child molester or rapist is saved, then yes he is saved. That's how it works. All sin is wrong in God's eyes, but Jesus has already paid the price for our sins. You can condemn yourself to hell for lying, lusting or raping, any sin is a slip from perfection and therefore a reason to be condemned.

2) The hypothetical Muslim girl...I don't know. I'm not God, I cannot judge if someone will go to heaven or hell.

It's an appeal to emotion because rather than using argumentation to prove your point, you are simply making a sad scenario in an attempt to disprove Christianity or prove it to be unfair.

Christians believe that all are sinners, so I cannot pretend to be better than anyone. I'm not going to heaven because of anything I have done or not done, other than accepting Jesus as my savior.

Christians don't automatically assume that all non-Christians are going to hell. Some are and some aren't, it's not for me to judge who is and isn't. So while I would mourn for the girl, I wouldn't think to guess where her soul would end up.

BS spidey!! thats the biggest cop out yet!!

the bible clearly states if you dont accept jesus as YOUR personal savior - you will not go to heaven!!

so if the non beleiveing muslim girl did not accept christ, then where is she??

in purgatory? sheol? gahenna? hades? hell?

bottom line is your playing the christian fool here in making it sound like "you dont know" it is explicitly stated what will happen to the muslim or any pagan who does not accept christ - talk about not being honest - thats crap spidey!!