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Fanta, I'm with you...sending emails to senators and also to friends
asking them to mail their senators.In the meantime...heres to the
minutemen.

Haven't had time to read all of this but think I have general Idea. We
are the most techno. nation on this planet. We never lose WHEN we band
together & work. This nation needs an overhaul form the bottom up. The
people need to make the govt. do what's right for all, not just the
rich. We need to quit being lazy sheep lead to where the shepards want
us for shearing. We don't need new laws, just ENFORCE the ones we have.
Close our borders & treat other countries as they treat us.
Crime/drugs/all law breakers are a risk to this country. Till you are
ready to kill to protect what is yours & have to do it, I don't think
you will understand. Until we are all ready to PAY the PRICE to turn
this country around, we won't.
Take a stand, write your congressperson or keepyour mouth shut & be lead
to the shearing.

Just an old man's opinion

good job jeb, lets get the word out and the people doing something
besides just talk....

I think that was supporting the topic...LMAO
Write your congressman people. Lets put our words to action..

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has told Bush he must deliver 70
Republican votes before she will attempt to pass any immigration bill.


Concentrate on Republicans......

I agree 100% with you Fanta but I don't think writing our Congressman
will help....the gov i'm sure is taking payoffs from the Mexican Gov to
sit on their thumbs. Our own border patrol is taking money to allow the
mexicans in..i'm sure u read the news on that. I tend to agree with the
Lady from TN...shoot 1st then ask questions. I know it seems uncivilized
but we're dealing with an uncivilized people.I'm from Ky were mexicans
are used often...soon the population here will be more Mexican than
American.. anything they live in is destroyed. I know some may think i
sound like an idiot but i'm an American by blood and this is my country
not theirs...and i'll damn well fight to the death for it if that's what
it takes!

Maybe it is me but I see alot wrong with the idea of illeagal
immigration. First off they are taking jobs away from families that
people who were born and raised here. Taking away from the american
citizens in many cases the abuility to provide for their families right
here at home.

I recently thought about moving myself out of the country to austrailia.
I found that in order to do that I would have to attain a sponsorship
from both a business there or the government itself basically asking me
to go there.

I do not think they can stop the people from crossing the border however
I do believe that if they get caught here they should be imprisioned for
a madatory sentance at the expense of their countries government. I
also think if they committed any other crimes while here that should be
added to their sentances. Not sent home so they can do it again the next
day.

There is no other way I can think of to even slow them down at this
point.

I made a point of not mentioning any other country on purpose here but I
would also like to point out that although our government has "Loaned"
the Mexican government billions of dollars that has never and will never
be paid back. That cannot be good for our economy.

What I say is not out of predjudice it is only my thoughts on it. I
believe it should be an all around law so if the man gets caught at work
then he goes to prison as well as anyone living in his place of
residence legal or not as they are also an accomplice to the crime. I
believe it should be a felony as it is a crime against all the american
people.

It is sad when an american gets caught with cocaine weapons drugs, any
number of things in california they go to federal prison but if an alien
gets caught they go home and migrate back as soon as they can. Free and
clear.

I think we need to make the punishment fit the crime and stop them from
being willing to risk it wiht a server enough penalty to stop them.

Ofcourse some governments would rather kill a person then to pay for
them to live but that would not be the other governments choice.

Everyone no matter who needs to let our repets know we are upset about
ILLEGAL CRIMINALS in our country! Go to www.congress.org and let them
know that ILLEGAL MEANS CRIMINAL! We are tired of Criminal Illegals
doing as they damn well please and liberal burecatic idiots letting it
become rampant. Go to this web site and let them know!

try steve..doing nothing does nothing,,,, at least we can be proud we
tried....

IMMIGRATION BILL my butt! Enforce the laws we have now! Kick the 12
million & growing Illgeal alien out of my country now!

we could always pack them on a ship and ship them overseas to fight the
war for us and bring our citizens home to us then leave them there for
their contries to provide them transportation back and supplies.

how many heads would that turn


I do not believe in the voting system myself anymore as we have we vote
for president every few years and it is not always the peoples vote it
is always based on the electoral college not our votes.

I am upset with the idea of outsiders comming hear and taking food and
work away from us though.

It is too a point with me that I even considered moving out myself.
These days our constitution is not even being held up in our court
system when a person is arrested it is on them to prove they are
innocent not on the stat to prove guilt unless it is a capitol crime.

What ever happened to our constitutional right to bear arms. I do not
remember reading any stipulations on that. Yet walk down the street in
NYC with a gun on your hip and not in a uniform and watch how much you
get harrassed if not jailed.

what do you suggest, kevin, anarchy and bloodshed.. Just write an email
send it.....see what happens......

seems like the people who fight against them are the ones who lose their
jobs or get ticketed for petty things they are afraid to write the
illegals tickets here in nw ark they had a lawsuit from the spanish
about 3 yrs ago . now they can blare the music an stand out in the yard
an drink an not be bothered let me blare some ac/dc an drink in the yard
an see how fast they come get me. its a losing battle been one for a
long time the rich run this country . think about it electorial vote
means not all of them were ours just a guess boy that seems great. an
when we vote a law out they just bring it back six months later on
another law as the second half of it 2 laws tied in to one . what the
hell is fair about it about the same as the illegals coming in nothing
just means it is gonna suck for the poor man around here to try to make
a living .

How exciting to see democracy at work. I am so impressed with all of
you, with this how these discussions have brought us to the kind of
awareness citizens should have.

NOW, I have more for you, hope I've caught some of you before you hit
your send buttons. The amendment considerations to the bill as
presented consists of over 500 pages, no small reading passtime.
However, there is a side by side view of how the two bills compare on
the topics we have voiced as most important to us. Go to
http://www.numbersusa.com/hottopic/specterproposal.html
You can read all of this, but to get to the side by side, look for the
box along the left of the written informaton, that says
Click here to see a side-by-side comparison of the bills under
consideration.

I might add the following quotes from the article:

Our analysis of the McCain-Kennedy bill finds that a minimum of 25
million permanent immigrants would be allowed into the United States
over the next 10 years.

Our analysis of the Frist bill found that a minimum of 20 million
permanent immigrants would be allowed into the United States over the
next 10 years.

So what we gain with either of these bills is an extremely huge expense
to implement and to moniter and continue to enforce the legislature as
designed. In either case, we are not significantly reducing the number
of illegial aliens here, we are simply making the vast majority some 1.2
million of them legal. This also affect US, as they will be eligible
for green card status when legalized. Also, on top of this, it is
expected that the Legal status of new immigration will be 20 to 25
million over the next 10 years.

I guess we can hope they will be good citizens, work hard pay taxes,
though probably considerably smaller than the average American citizen
pays due to their smaller than average income level, and in the end they
too will help support the new governments spending to "monitor" the
borders.

Check out the side by side view, it's very intersting, and again I am so
proud to be with you all on this journey. I can assure you as soon as
I've completed my research, I will send my letter of request to the
appropriate legislaters.

great redic, Im going their now...

It would not even be read by the person I write it to. I would probably
not get a response either form it other then maybe get investigated.

I am not politically minded. In general I live a very secluded
lifestyle. Give me the web and availabuility to get and read books to
learn from and I am happy.

The only way I think we will stop or slow down the problem it to impose
mandatory sentancing for all offenders as well as those who help them by
employing them in the first place.

I would really like to see our troops come home though as soon as
possible. I do not think we belong overseas in this "war". It started as
a war on terrorism against that organization aque*** however it has been
months since I have even heard that term on news or media. It has turned
into a battle for other reasons which we should not be involved with
IMHO. We have enough oil here to sustain ourselves if we don't export
it.

Even if the other governments were not charged for the costs of puting
the aliens in prison maybe it would be a suitable punishment to require
the employers of said individuals to pay that expense it would slow
things down a bit. Make it mandatory of 10 years in prison first offence
at the expense of the employer and you would see far fewer employers
risking employing illeagals.

Take away the land of pppertunity from them and they have no reason to
come here and risk going to prison for 10 years.

When they made drug laws mandatory the gangs started to get into
counterfeiting as that was less of a punishment then dealing drugs. They
still made alot of money doing it but the drug traffic eventually
leveled off as the people were still addicted.

People are going to be people and do what they see fit to get by no
matter if it is legal or not. Some live with violence or drugs all their
lives others like prison life and it is their standard.

I live in solitude personally and there are plenty of guns in this house
should I need them for protection. I do not see a need or have a desire
to carry them but then again I don't go out often either and am not
rich enough to have to worry about much if I did.

I also have issues with big companies farming out jobs to people
overseas as well. I think that is another problem that needs to be
addressed and not by that company wanting to or applying for hundreds or
thousands of visas for outsiders to come to this country and work here
from india as an example. If the company is that big to be able to
afford it then they should build a location in india and have those
people work from their own country. Don't bring them here just because
you can hire them to do a job for 15 dollars an hour or less that you
owuld have to pay a person in this country over 50 dollars an hour to do
the same job.

The person I am referring to above is Bill Gates owner of Microsoft. Who
is one of the worlds richest people. I use Microsoft products on a daily
basis out of need to be with the mainstream in my living. I develop web
pages IE is not the best browser but it is most used. I have no choice.
I do all my development for that browser on an Open Source Web Hosting
package. Linux, Apatche, MySQL,PHP as does I am proud to say over 75% of
the worlds web developers do Microsoft only has 11% of the web servers
on the planet. That number is dropping regularly as more people learn
what Bill is really all about.

Writing however would only make more troubles for me at this point.
There is o way they will even consider doing what I would suggest anyhow
as it is not in the best interest of big business.

Making big business pay a fair wage for technical employees or lowering
insurance costs are not on any politicians mind as they are the
political supporters not the average citizen.

Let me get this right is this about guarding our boarders and keepin
illegals out?????? If it is I say put up gun towers and open fire
that will stop them wouldn't it........

The only thing is we need mexicans here in California to work the fields
they are good worker and the only ones who will do it but they need to
become citizens and pay taxes or go home I used to work with them I was
an equipment mechanic and I respect their work but I don't think they
should be here illegally. I still say put up gun towers and open fire
that will stop it.

thanks redy good site sent one in on the immigration to sen