I stay on top of what is happening with this group as there were some
real internal battles going on. It appears the people that "hijacked"
Jim's MMP website and took over the bank accounts are probably going to
jail and Jim is still in the drivers seat. Whew! It has been
interesting and scary, at the same time.

In case you don't know, the MMP (minuteman project) is the organized
group of civilian volunteers (vigilanties?) who are protecting the
US/Mexico borders from illegal boundry crossings in several states.

For more information go to Jim's site at:
www.JimGilchrist.com

The Minuteman Project site is being rebuilt now with a notice up to
viewers at www.MinutemanProject.com.

If you have not been seeing this guy around he has shown up on a lot of
news programs including Bill O'reilly. I signed up some time ago to get
the newsletters to stay on top of the developments.

Please read a few of the articles at Jim's site listed above.

What are your views (OHpinions) on this group of folks?
Do you think they are helping?
Or are they a bunch of rednecks getting kicks out of this?

I guess I should have made a different title.
This is about illegal aliens crossing the US/Mexico border and the US
citizens keeping watch to prevent that happening.

Verb

The Mexican Border is totally out of control. Not only are Illegal
Aliens coming across in droves, God knows what else is coming into this
country including drugs and possibly terrorists. Now I see where a
group in the U.S. has received over a million dollars from the U.S.
Government and is teaching Illegal Aliens how to avoid deportation. All
of this has to stop. I am not against immigration but I am against
anyone who enters this country illegally no matter what their intentions
are. The Minutemen proved that by being on the border and merely
reporting the illegals they saw they cut down on illegal immigration in
the areas they patrolled.

Well bigsis you watched me get slammed at that other place when i spoke
up about illegal mexicans. I was accused of racism and also a member of
the KKK because of the location of the USA i live in. My feelings on
this stand. If you want to come to america then for gods sakes come on!
but be sure to do it legally. The minute they hit the border and cross
over to america they are KNOWINGLY commiting a crime. Billions are being
spent on border patrol. Our streets are flooded with drugs, gang
violence, property values depriciate and vandalism is rampant. Jobs are
stolen and our welfare system is going broke supporting the illegals.
Our schools are overcrowded, our citizens who ARE LEGAL americans are
being literally raped financially with our taxes going up constantly.
Here in TN an illegal mexican can go to DMV and obtain a LEGAL drivers
license. Bank of America is going to let them open CHECKING
ACCOUNTS. Lets just validate criminals and thats OK??! Out of the few
illegals caught and detained are run thru the computers and 25 or MORE
out of 100 are VIOLENT CRIMINALS. Rapists, MURDERERS, DRUG dealers, and
its our tax dollars shipping them BACK over the border only to have
these scumbags hop the border within hours. The local national guard
here in my area was called to duty where? the border patrol and the
illegals crossing here in america. What can we do? HOPE FOR MORE
citizens like the minutemen. My honest to god feelings on tending to the
borders is to shoot to kill. No questions, no warnings, just shoot them.
Isnt that what the mexican authoritys would do to US if we crossed their
borders ILLEGALLY? you betcha they would and do. The most violent street
gang has just hit my area. The M13s. We have our own war raging here in
america and its called ILLEGAL MEXICANS.
I dont mean to offend any members here at jsh. These are my honest to
god feelings on this. Its time to put a stop to illegal mexicans
crossing over tearing up our country and destroying our lives.

Wow! Illegal ALIENS, (not limited to those of Mexican nationality), do
pose some notable difficulties to the American stability and way.
However, I know several who simply wanted a better life for their
children. They have acclimated extremely well and are quite appreciative
for the opportunity to send their children to school, have enough to eat
and enjoy indoor plumbing. I know what the pros and cons are. It's not
all good, but it is not all bad. Shoot to kill?? Really?? WOW!!

Let them fight for it in their own country, Lily, or apply for legal
immigration status. Did you know many of the Minute men are from this
group of legal immigants? People who came an obtained their citizenship
the proper way, and now feel cheated by the idea of someone sneaking
over.

The Bush's want to give amnesty to these illegals. His daddy made over
800,000 instant Americans once, and now his son wants to allow more to
become Shake-n-Bake Americans.(sounds cheap, aye?) Im with GF, and say
bull****........enough is enough, if we are going to allow this to
continue, why not just invade, and annex the whole damn country of
Mexico? (Not......)but at least then the whole country can feel what we
in the South feel...Hell we could make 5 or 6 new States, they have
oilfields, and we could allow all the industries to move there and still
collect taxes from them.( could this be why there is no support for this
idea from our leaders?) We could collect taxes from every Mexican in
Mexico too. Surely, since they are such good, wholesome American minded,
and quality citizen's, they wouldnt mind. (irony) LOL

Fanta, I feel as you do in many respects, but I totally understand Lily
too. I don't pretend to understand the 'legal' aspects,the how's and
when's or even if there is a limit to who we allow to become "legal
aliens" or for how long they can remain until we decide, or they decide,
to become nationalized. To allow only those in who have something to
offer our society, like some kind of technology degree, or other valued
field of study, is rediculous. But by the same token, the flip side, I
agree 100% that fighting within your own country for what's right and
fair is the best thing. If the fight is a worthy one, there will be
those, like Americans who would help in that battle, as the British,
French, Canadians and others have assisted us in past internal struggles
or as aly's in external ones.

I have had many friends consider moving to Canada and applying for
citizenship, for only one reason - no,two reasons.
One being out of fear for their safety and the other
being their regretful opinion or lazy attitude that they do not want to
stay here and fight for the rights that would make this country more
equitable. But just like those Jews that had the forsight to remove
themselves from their native Germany before harm could get to them, I
can only wish my friends well and hope they will never regret their
decision.

We can not haphazardly kill poeple for wanting a better life. I don't
know what the answer is. Patrols are good but only if done within the
legal system.

IN THE END if we expect others to fight within their own country for
what they want, then we have to be prepared to fight within our to make
our local, state and federal governments do what we want.

First of all I didnt say anything about who is let in or not, but there
does have to be a limit to how, and when they become American citizens.
You cant allow everyone to come here. Second, We are not Nazi Germany,
and are not talking about genocide.( comparisons dont fit) I am talking
about politicians who take an oath to uphold the laws of this country,
and the constitution, who first ignore the laws, for whatever reason.
They should be charged with a crime. (they would a soldier who also
takes a similar oath, and then violates it.)
Second, the same politicians, using the authority of the highest courts
in the country, continue to strike down and block, States, when they
tackle the problems of illegal immigration on their own, and then
contradict theirself by saying the states dont have the authority,
because immigration is the authority of the federal gov., and states are
acting outside their jurisdictions.

The bill, to make new immigration legislation, Is nothing more than a
stall tactic. What good will new laws do when they wont enforce the
current laws. It will take ten years before this happens in congrees,
they think. By then they can grant more amnesties, increasing the pop of
latino's, making us a minority and increase the vote for more leaniant
legeslation.

Did you know, that we did once conquer Mexico. We went from the coast of
Nicgarugua to Mex City, in 12 days. The American Generals reported that
it would take to many Americans to defend against foreign invasion,
because the Mexican population seemed not willing to defend the country
for theirself.
Step forward to the second world war. Have you ever heard of Mexican
troops involved in any battle against Nazi Germany, or Japan? The
greatest threat to freedom in the world, and they are no where. Wait, I
did here of them letting the Nazi's scout their shores along the gulf
coast searching for siuitable U-boat bases. The Germans could not locate
a suitable place, is the only reason this didnt happen. Other than that,
I have not been able to find any Mexican gov. involvement in WWII.

The current situation in Iraq, The US said if an illegal immigrant would
voulunteer and serve 4 yrs, then they, and their family would become
instant US citizens. I thought this was fair, but do they flock to the
recruitment Stations? NO, you would think with 11 million of them taking
advantage of this country to benefit their lifes. they would be lined up
around the block. I heard last week that the military was lowering their
enlistment standards so they could meet their recrutement goals. Oh
well, I quess yall are right, we should give them free citizenship. They
will make fine american citizens...

Wow, some great comments. I agree that Bank of America and any states
that give out drivers licenses to illegal aliens should be fined or
SOMETHING for every infrigement. It is impossible at this stage of the
game to put a real number on the amount of illegal aliens in this
country as the INS is so underfunded, understaffed, and since it is a
gov agency, inadequate at it's job.

Now, so far, as everyone knows, I am a flag waver of the highest and
vocalist sort (big mouth) about this type of thing. Everyone is
welcome, if they do it by legal means and PAY TAXES like the rest of us
do.

Let's get back to the minuteman project though. Did any of you go look
at Gilchrist's site and see what has been happening???

Let's try to comment on that now... OK?

Thanks to everyone for your comments - you are a great bunch of folks...

Verb

Thats exactly what i said Lily. Shoot to kill. You can shugar coat the
conduct of crossing our borders illegally by saying "people want a
better life for their children"..gee!! SO DO I. Its a shame mine is
losing valuable benefits he should be entitled to but wont get thanks to
these ILLEGALS. When an illegal alien crosses over into america they
KNOWINGLY are commiting a crime. Sorry but honestly I am SICK of seeing
our economy and COUNTRY DESTROYED thanks to this crap.

god bless ya fanta!!!
good ol george dubbya has a grandchild who is mexican. There ya go.

http://tancredo4prez.blogspot.com
Go look there....

WOW! now whats happening with his site being hijacked along with all the
damages he has endured my thoughts turn to pooooor ol bill gates and our
government with MICROSOFT.

The USCIS (old INS) released this doc on April 5th which states that
133,000 H1-B petitions were received by that date.

Read it here:
http://www.uscis.gov/files/pressrelease/H1Bfy08CapUpdate040507.pdf

and then of course, the USCIS site is here:
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis
and the first link listed is the statement about the number of legal
applications.

So of 150,000 expected apps - 135,000 were received. They do state that
there could possibly be more than one app in an envelope so the numbers
are not set in stone. But it is interesting that employers do this for
many of the educated illegals. So out of the millions of illegals this
many applied to become LEGAL.

Off subject again on my own thread... sheesh.

"It's the Economy Stupid!!!"
That old electoral campaign rallying cry of a certain cigar smoking Ex.

That could very well be the cruncher with the inmmigration issue too!!!

Immigration is among the most controversial political issues in the
United States.
Savior of the U.S. economy for some, others view it as both a social
and economic burden.

According to the Department of Labor, at least half of the nearly
2,000,000 crop workers in the United States are illegal aliens. The
cheap labor they provide is crucial to the $30-billion U.S. farm
industry.

Overall, there are an estimated 10,000,000 illegal aliens in the United
States. Dan Griswold, director of the Center for Trade Policy Studies
at the Cato Institute, a research organization in Washington that
advocates free market policies, says these workers take jobs few
native-born Americans are willing to take.

In addition to picking lettuce in the hot sun, they scrubb floors or
toilets in a discount store in the middle of the night, gardening,
construction, cleaning homes, that sort of work,"

When the ECONOMIC PUSH meets with the SOCIAL 'UNEASE' AND 'DISCOMFORT'
SHOVE, Labor economists say the flow of immigrants provides the U.S.
economy:
... with a more flexible labor force that keeps industries growing while
delivering lower prices to American consumers.

The importance of immigrant labor to the U.S. economy, reported to
amount to some 10B$ a yearm, was underlined earlier this year when
President Bush used his State of the Union address to outline a
guest-worker program that would grant temporary work permits to laborers
already here.

It's decidedly moving towards liberating immigrants entry, not limiting
it!!! Making 'illegals' LEGALS, vs the unspeakably IRRESPONSIBLE
'shoot and kill' vomit.

However unfair, or undemocratic, this an issue that is controlled by the
Almighty Economic God. And government, especially the US, always sways
unconditionnally on the Economic God side!

So maybe the US constitution says "WE THE PEOPLE", but the God of
Economy, through its White House Servants reply :
" ... WE'll see!!!"

I was listening to the radio the other day about how the MMP are putting
guards on the Canadian border. Because now they're flying mexicans into
Canada. It's easier that way then they cross down from there. Well that
is how the 9-11 terrorist got in here. If the Canadians would increase
their security that might help us.