Good morning, Krimsa - it's your favorite "crybaby" wagering in again.

No anger or bitterness, huh? Accusing others of "emotionally-based" responses, huh? Let's recap some of your numerous explatives to me and others, shall we?

1. Whiney
2. Immature
3. Ludicrious
4. Ignorant
5. Judgmental
6. Shameful
7. Dishonorable
8. Disrespectful
9. Told to "be a man"
10. Told to "get over it" regarding a lost child simply because I have 3 of my own now.

As always stated, I am PRO CHOICE...in *most* cases. However, I am dubbed all the above simply because I wanted the child that me and my loved one created?

I never once disrespected her and certainly did not dishonor her. Simply because I did not agree with her choice does not mean I did either of those. I supported her fully - emotionally, financially and spiritually through the whole process.

Lastly, your only retort to my question pages ago regarding the man's *choice* who does NOT want the child, yet the woman *chooses* to have the baby...he is FORCED (yes, FORCED via government and the court system) to financially support this child was: "If you don't want to pay child support, don't have sex".

Yet, again, IMHO - this is a man's *right to choose* being stripped from him. A *choice* that is made for him and will affect him for the remainder of his life - financially, emotionally, spiritually and yes, often times, physically.

Would you be willing to support a bill that states if a woman *chooses* to have a child against the man's *choice* - she therefore is fully responsible for the child - alone?

Not certain I would, as I don't necessarily agree with it either. Know why? Because I believe it should be a SHARED responsibility personally.

I'll check back later for your wisdom-filled and non-emotional response. For now, I need to get to work as I have 3 children to support.

Honestly Krisma I think at this point your attacking anyones opinion that doesnt follow yours..

Although I dont agree with Fade2black doesnt mean shes wrong...Just like your opinion isnt wrong...

We all belive differently, thats what makes the world go round.....

Judy isnt a liar , shes very well educated and informed...

Maybe its time to let this thread die...

I can't imagine that the 513,000 in foster care could even equate to the following.

WORLDWIDE

Number of abortions per year: Approximately 42 Million

Number of abortions per day: Approximately 3,700

Why women have abortions
1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child, and 93% of all abortions occur for social reasons (i.e. the child is unwanted or inconvenient).

Did you note that 93% because the child is unwanted or INCONVENIENT.

At what gestational ages are abortions performed:
52% of all abortions occur before the 9th week of pregnancy, 25% happen between the 9th & 10th week, 12% happen between the 11th and 12th week, 6% happen between the 13th & 15th week, 4% happen between the 16th & 20th week, and 1% of all abortions (16,450/yr.) happen after the 20th week of
pregnancy.

This is why this is a big deal to me....victim of rape got pregnant had an abortion....reason then was only because it was a crime that was so violent and I could not imagine looking at that baby every day and not being able to think about the violence. Do I regret the decision now.....You bet your sweet bippy I do. I was young and I was not given the options to do anything else. I work with a pregnancy clinic called Avenue....This women do get options...They get to see a 3-d picture of the baby that you call not a life.....

Babies are life at conception. I have actually walked out of church services when it was dealing with abortion...my thought then.....How can this man tell me...he has never walked in my shoes...he has no clue. But then working with Avenues and girls that are going through this....I do see....I can tell you right now....if I was raped again...I would have a completely different decision on what would happen to this lil life.

Again I think anyone that spreads their legs and is old enough for sex, by golly better be old enough to deal with the consequences of spreading their legs.

And I agree totally that an abortion doesn't make you unpregnant it makes you the mother of a dead baby...

I dont know her. You might. This is my first contact and began to feel attacked. If you scroll up, you will see what she was saying.

Exactly.

None ever happen in the first trimester.....and if these women are big enough to spread their legs and not use birth control....then they made that choice....and they have to live with the consequences of their choices...Just like everything in life......choice and consequences of those choices.

I have every right. I'm an American dear. And ya, emotional responses? Hon you are the epitome of emotional posting.

I actually have a job I work at .. so no, I don't have time to post here all day. Sorry.

I'll say it as a final word on this today ..

I AM pro Choice .. you have a choice to open your legs or NOT. Period.

I am not a guilt driven individual. You need to get YOUR facts straight babe. You don't know me at all. I am a compassionate woman who cares about every mother and every baby. Just because I don't agree with the aftermath of abortion instead of abstinence education doesn't make that guilt.

And before I answer anymore .. why don't you address the abstinence issue that you've skirted in probably 5 of my posts now. Ya. That's what I thought. *sigh*

Have a good one Ms. Emotionless .. RIGHT.

mother of a dead baby?????????very judgemental there

Just thought it was fair to post this link...


its where the stats came from that feralcat posted


http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html

Sorry darlin I never attacked you. I was merely presenting the other side which seems to get run down the minute it IS presented.

In a country where free speech is encouraged, there is every right to more than one opinion .. mainly yours.

Peace out.

What do you mean "none ever happen" in the first trimester? Thats when abortion is supposed to take place ideally. This is the least evasive period of time. However if the right gets their way and abortion is ever to be criminalized, you can bet that many more will occur much later as women will not have easy access to them.

Feral, what about failure of birth control? What about in the case of rape and incest? Yes of course actions have consequences but the elimination of choice is not the answer. Then you are only compounding the problem by forcing these women to carry an unwanted baby to term. Then once the infant is born and as the stats indicate, may not be adopted, then what?

FACT: 1% rape/incest/mother's life

ONE PERCENT. THAT is fact.

I felt attacked by you. If this was not your intention, I would have no way of knowing that would I? I am entitled to my opinions, just as you are to yours. I asked you repeatedly to debate and now you have chosen to walk away. Well good luck.

well it was quoted from another post...which I happen to agree with 100%......Only a judgement if you fit the bill.....and remember sweets I am also one of them.....Because I have had an abortion......so therefore gives me the right to post it...because I am also a mother of a dead life.

I get such a kick out of these issue-related threads. The reason you don't know me Krisma is because I usually don't waste my time in angry debating threads.

But i think it's so ironic that those who insist on tolerance are the exact same ones who are intolerant of any opinions not theirs.

Especially the left of the right. Shoot down who you must .. take no prisoners.

Make someone who actually agrees with morality and absolutes out to be stupid, uninformed and crazy.

AHHHHHHHH who's throwin the stones eh?

Doesnt matter what the FACTS are.. this is a personal choice.. period...


Children born to crack addicts who are now at their first minute of life addicted to crack..ever rocked a crack baby? I HAVE

Children who are beaten by their mothers and killed, wrapped in garbage bags and thrown out like yesterday trash....Ever had to dig one out of the trash? I HAVE

Children who are raped by their parents and forced into child pornography...Ever dealth with that ??? I HAVE

Oh sweets I CHOOSE to work. For a living. I am a single mom of 5. I don't live on welfare. I carry my own ..

But no worries. I'll be back.

whos thrown em back EH?

Over 500,000 children in the U.S. currently reside in some form of foster care. Placements in foster care have dramatically increased over the past 10 years. Despite the increasing numbers, children in foster care and foster parents are mostly invisible in communities and often lack many needed supports and resources. In situations of abuse and neglect, children may be removed from their parents' home by a child welfare agency and placed in foster care. Other reasons for foster placement include severe behavioral problems in the child and/or a variety of parental problems, such as abandonment, illness (physical or emotional), incarceration, AIDS, alcohol/substance abuse, and death.

Half a mil....


And Feral you would have no way of knowing the actual accurate percentage rate on rape and incest occurrence because very often it goes unreported. That is the REALITY Im afraid. It doesnt matter anyway. Its still a fundamental right.

Its lucky for you Judy that you dont have to live on welfare and can afford to pay you bills and drive new beamers and wear prada.. makes you a SNOB to throw it around.. JMO