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DARWIN - columbus dispatch todays paper, Sept. 19
creationism VS. evolution CHURCH APOLOGIZES TO DARWIN ON WEB SITE. RELIGIOUS NEWS SERVICES: LONDON -- About 126 years after Charles Darwin's death, the church of England has gone into 21st century cyberspace to issue an official apology to the naturalist for it's own 19th century "misunderstanding" over his theory of evolution. Darwin's theory that all life evolved over millions of years was published in 1859 in his book [on the origin of species], and almost instantly triggered controversy that still continues. His antagonist, including the church of england, villified him for questioning their own creationist convictions that the universe and all it's parts were soley the work of god perhaps around 6000 B.C. and cetainly no earlier than 10,000 years ago. But in a new section of the Church of England's web site, the Reverand Malcomb Brown director of missions and public affairs addressed Darwin and conceded that the church "owes you [Darwin} an apology for misunderstanding you, by getting our first reaction wrong." The reaction, Brown added, results in "encouraging other's to misunderstand you still" Just last week in Britian, a leading Biologist, the reverand Professor Micheal Reiss called for creationism to be included in school science lesson's alongside Darwin's theory of evolution and the big bang theory of the birth of the universe. In his on line apology, Brown likened the Darwin contreversy, to the Vatican's trial in 1633 of galileo the Italian astronomer who angered it by asserting that the earth revolved around the sun. "SOME church "PEOPLE" did it again in the 1860's with Chrles Darwin's "theory of natural selection" Brown wrote. Tribo: seem's to me there still doing it today - that is "SOME PEOPLE"   
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Its realy a simple question..Do you beleive in god? Or do you beleive in man?
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The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesnt exist
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The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesnt exist Yes! Have I found my soul mate here online? I loved that movie by the way. "The Usual Suspects."   
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Its realy a simple question..Do you beleive in god? Or do you beleive in man? Are you suggesting that nearly 1,5 billion christians, starting wth the Pope, Catholics, the Church of England and its members do not believe in God??? In all due respect, and IMO the question you propose is bit too 'simple'. |
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Its realy a simple question..Do you beleive in god? Or do you beleive in man? being in the image of... does it really matter? much ado about nothing. |
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DARWIN - columbus dispatch todays paper, Sept. 19 creationism VS. evolution CHURCH APOLOGIZES TO DARWIN ON WEB SITE. RELIGIOUS NEWS SERVICES: LONDON -- About 126 years after Charles Darwin's death, the church of England has gone into 21st century cyberspace to issue an official apology to the naturalist for it's own 19th century "misunderstanding" over his theory of evolution. Darwin's theory that all life evolved over millions of years was published in 1859 in his book [on the origin of species], and almost instantly triggered controversy that still continues. His antagonist, including the church of england, villified him for questioning their own creationist convictions that the universe and all it's parts were soley the work of god perhaps around 6000 B.C. and cetainly no earlier than 10,000 years ago. But in a new section of the Church of England's web site, the Reverand Malcomb Brown director of missions and public affairs addressed Darwin and conceded that the church "owes you [Darwin} an apology for misunderstanding you, by getting our first reaction wrong." The reaction, Brown added, results in "encouraging other's to misunderstand you still" Just last week in Britian, a leading Biologist, the reverand Professor Micheal Reiss called for creationism to be included in school science lesson's alongside Darwin's theory of evolution and the big bang theory of the birth of the universe. In his on line apology, Brown likened the Darwin contreversy, to the Vatican's trial in 1633 of galileo the Italian astronomer who angered it by asserting that the earth revolved around the sun. "SOME church "PEOPLE" did it again in the 1860's with Chrles Darwin's "theory of natural selection" Brown wrote. Tribo: seem's to me there still doing it today - that is "SOME PEOPLE" They are still doing it. Thats very true, however my personal feeling is I truly accept evolution for what it is which is a plausible and credible theory with an abundance of physical, tangible evidence. Creationism, not so much and it tends to rely on people having faith that it went down that way. However it is their right to choose to believe whatever they want of course. Just stay the hell out of the public school systems because you can send your OWN children to Sunday school or bible theology study without your beliefs effecting everyone else and causing problems. |
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The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesnt exist  Well since so many people believe in him, I would say he failed. That is, if he does exist. 
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Its realy a simple question..Do you beleive in god? Or do you beleive in man? Do we have to choose between the two? Can't we have God and Man too? 
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Its realy a simple question..Do you beleive in god? Or do you beleive in man? Do we have to choose between the two? Can't we have God and Man too? What if they are one and the same?   
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Its realy a simple question..Do you beleive in god? Or do you beleive in man? Well Christians believe in the Bible and the Bible was written by men. So clearly Christians don't believe in God. They place their faith entirely in man and they seem to be unable to think for themselves. This is probably why they have become so dependent upon their religion. Most of them confess that they could not face life without their religion as a security blanket. |
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I feel that all theories should be taught and let folks decide for themselves. If evolution and big bang are taught then so should creationism, does no good to teach one or the other without all sides being presented.
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I feel that all theories should be taught and let folks decide for themselves. If evolution and big bang are taught then so should creationism, does no good to teach one or the other without all sides being presented. Thats fair but it has really never been the approach that evangelical Christians have felt comfortable with. Im not sure I really want to re-visit the state of Tennessee Vs. John Scopes. Besides, if the bible is the supposed "word of god" and written by men who were in some way "moved" to write these stories, how can you say that Charles Darwin was not inspired by a higher power to write "Origin of Species" ? |
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I feel that all theories should be taught and let folks decide for themselves. If evolution and big bang are taught then so should creationism, does no good to teach one or the other without all sides being presented. Thats fair but it has really never been the approach that evangelical Christians have felt comfortable with. Im not sure I really want to re-visit the state of Tennessee Vs. John Scopes. Besides, if the bible is the supposed "word of god" and written by men who were in some way "moved" to write these stories, how can you say that Charles Darwin was not inspired by a higher power to write "Origin of Species" ? |
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I would be okay with Creationism being taught along side of the Theory of Evolution however I just cant visualize that because then we need to essentially teach EVERY Creation myth in the world during a 60 minute science period in a public school structure. When will we fit in the scientific theories? What will their tests be on? Australopithecus or who exactly was Mrs. Cain? Im still waiting for a straight answer on that one.
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I agree Krimsa, i don't think they can be taught in the same class. #1, to the religious, the creation "story" is not a myth but a viable answer to how creation came about. how can a public teacher teach about creation and evolution in the same class? One is an admitted theory[evolution] and the other claims it not as a theory but a truth based of faith that there god did this. If both were looked upon as "theories" that would be one thing, but they are not. To teach creationism requires a faith in god to believe it, that is religion, and should be taught at home or at christian schools as the catholics do.
To me the C's, try to blame man for taking creationism and prayer out of schools, when in fact it should not have been there to begin with. It is my thinking that it should have always been taught by the parents or church schools, and let them learn of and think and study evolution at school and the debate can be without the school system. Otherwise, we would have the same thing in the schools as we have on this forum -     
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hmmm. I don't know about you all but I was taught both in school and I think that initially the theory of evolution was somewhat unbelievable to me because of what I was being taught in Church. But I feel that as an adult that this has helped me to understand that not everything is so simple to believe that BOOM one day man was created in his image? I honestly find that hard to believe. My mom used to tell me though that it was harder not to believe in God than it was to believe. I think maybe she had it backwards.
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Fri 09/19/08 12:56 PM
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It seems to me, in all fairness, then you are catering solely to the evangelical Christians who believe Creationism is a viable theory. How can you then leave out every other creation myth? What of the Jewish students? There will be children of other faiths and I dont see how you can fairly declare you are ONLY going to teach Creationism alongside The Theory of Evolution. Where is the line drawn? Just because the Christians fuss the most about it doesnt mean they should be allowed to get their Creationism taught in the public school system alongside the scientific theories.
Why cant parents simply send their children to bible study class on their own? They also have a right to pull their children out of science class if they deem it fitting. I had that happen to a fellow student when I was younger and it was just awful. As abusive as it is, the parent has the final word. |
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I feel that all theories should be taught and let folks decide for themselves. If evolution and big bang are taught then so should creationism, does no good to teach one or the other without all sides being presented. But this really isn't true. There is no such thing as "Creation theory". What would they teach? The biblical version? That's totally unsubstantiated folklore, there's absolutely no evidence to support it as fact. On the contrary it flies in the face of reason and logic. This has already been done to death, this is precisely where the idea of the flying spaghetti monster came from. If we're going to start teaching unsubstantiated folklore in schools then we should teach everything and anything that anyone can dream up. It's a crime to lie to children! Teaching creationism in schools is to teach lies. We have absolutely no reason to believe that creationism is true. Why would we want to teach our children lies? |
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How bout making it an elective then tribo, gee, sounds like you are as bad as some christians, not wanting another viewpoint offered.
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