Sharpshooter,

With all due respect to you and your beliefs, creationism is not a scientific theory.

One is participating in a perverse circus when carrying such falsehoods.

I am ready to give you the benefit of the doubt, and suggest that you might not be doing it knowingly.

Creationism is a perverse fundamentalist construction, based on nothing scientific and everything religious: the litteral interpretation of the bible. Fundamentalist mission is to 'ATTACK' anything which is perceived to be questioning the word for word interprtaion of the bible.

Fundamentalism is in profound denial of anything and everything that disagrees with each and every word of their big book. Evolution provides fundamentalists a means to 'go to war' against evil so to speak.

Creationism is perverse because it is nothing other than an 'edifice in denial'.

It says nothing in itself, other than deny and contradict, most perversely and without foundation something which is founded and verifiable in our everyday life.

The only academic forum where there might be a possibility to teach 'creationism', is the political science faculty, where the course might be called 'THE ART OF DENIAL'.

Unfortunately, denial has no relation whatsoever with pure sciences.

If anything, science is counter denial. It often indirectly serves to 'debunk' prejudices, sclerosed thinking and denial.

That is why it is perverse to keep pretending that 'creationism: the art of denial' could ever be presented alongside any other scientific discipline.

With all due respect, really!

ME?? Cater to the evangelicals??

hmmm, i am sorry that you think that.

what i am saying is whether or not your Jewish, catholic, other denomination, Greek, Asian, African, native American, or what your religious system happens to be it is not for public education, never was, never will be, in my opinion. Unless you want to have a class such as world myths, religions, and beliefs of all peoples [ like you may have in college], then it should not be a subject in school, evolution on the other-hand - is scientific "theory" falling under the heading of "SCIENCE" which has been taught in school's long before America came about.

and with all due respect, evolution, to me, is not completely acceptable as well, I took the classes (because we were given no choice) I took the test and passed them, because i wanted to graduate, still , never believed it, and when I was young my faith wasn't as strong as it is now, including one without the others is wrong, so I say again, how about making them electives.

Why not just write a note pulling your kids out of science class and take them to Sunday school? Then no one is scarred or emotionally stunted. Well not too badly anyway.

evolution i realize is scientific to some, to me it is utter nonsense as is other peoples beliefs to some, let's take them all out as required, make them electives and leave it at that.

because krimsa, most sunday schools still teach the eve ate an apple bullchit I don't think any of those should be required subjects myself, creationism, evolution or the big bang.

How about reading, writing and basic math, cause many kids today cannot even read, and can barely write and can't even count change for crying out loud.

I agree. The point I was trying to make however is you cant rightly declare that ONLY Creationism will be taught along side of Evolution. That is part of the problem. Its not realistic, nor fair. One simply can not take precedence over another. So then the entire idea flies out the door. You also have access to Sunday school and theological bible study for children. Parents are not being denied anything. They are simply being disallowed to force their own beliefs on other people's children in a public school setting which I feel is absolutely reasonable.

no, don't cater to them tribo, not saying that, I have pretty sharp ( no pun intended) criticism for many churches as well

Evolution isn't something which one believes in?!?!?

IT IS NOT A BELIEF. IT IS A SCIENCE, IT IS FACT.

WHAT'S PROVEN IS PROVEN, AND WHAT ISN'T PROVEN, SIMPLY ISN'T.

NOTHING TO BELIEVE IN!!!

And that is why creationism is perverse, false, and a mischaracterization of reality.

Creationism IS BASED on a litteral interpretation of the bible as the word of a particular god.

THAT IS BELIEF, ... REQUIRING FAITH!

Very distinct from scientific fact!

So while beliefs are legitimate, they cannot be presented as facts.
And while science is just as legitimate, IT CANNOT BE PRESENTED AS BELIEFS.

As some often write on these forums: '... it just is what it is!!!...'

That comment is not realistic.

evolution still requires one to believe in it or to have unquestionable faith in science, I, and I stress "I" dont.

why not? seems that some don't want to hear all sides, I have no problem reading about all topics

Are you trying to make some type of point V?? can you make it clearer please, can't quite understand you yet?

No not really. You dont need to have faith to study, nor understand evolution. It's not a myth like Creationism is. All that requires is faith. I could tell you that a monster lives in my closet and how can you tell me that is not fact? Its the exact same premise. Evolution on the other hand has an overwhelming preponderance of factual and physical evidence. You cant even compare them.

OK, I've got the answer - new schools that teach ""secular creatilution"" that ought to rellay mess the kids up, it could be thought of as geisis like this _ in the beginning was god and Darwin said let there be ooze.

'sharpshooter' you seriously cannot mean that!

That would imply that you are in denial with most every medical and technological innovations and inventions of the last century.

I am certain you are not one of those loonies.

It is with a 'specific' and 'particular' aspect of evolution, which appears to you as a contradiction of your beliefs, that you have a quarrel with.

Let's keep things in perspective, and not throw our credibility out with the baby and the bathwater!!!

People can't live in the 21st century, enjoying all of the modern benefits which come with it, an walk around claiming that evolution is non-sense!!! You simply don't mean that!!!

I'm really not trying or wanting to compare them. I try to look at them as separate, although I must admit that can be hard to do at times. Still say believe as one will, I'm not trying to swing anyone to my belief system. sharing my thoughts and beliefs as are all of us. Those who read all this stuff we put in here have to make their own minds up.

Fine but that is not really addressing the topic.

I don't require folks to believe as I do, why, on the other hand, can I not choose to discount evolution. we evolved in the sense we went from ox drawn carts and stone wheels to muscle cars and 100,000 mile tires but that is one way of looking at it, I just don't buy all of evolution, I believe that the strong survive and the weak don't, still, for myself, on the whole, I don't believe in all that is taught about evolution. I also don't believe all that is taught in churches as well.