Well it's obvious that you have no idea what the purpose of a dictionary is. So let's make this whole "word definition" thing fair: You pick a word and make up a definition for it. Then I'll pick a word and make up a definition for it. And so on. Then when we get all our words defined by that method, we'll continue this debate using all those made-up definitions.

That seems fair to me, how about you?

well "Skyhook" no need to go through all that trouble when all you have to do is provide evidence that your out of body experience were anything beyond a dream state ..

clearly since you are an expert in using the dictionary you can compute what "beyond a state dream" means ...hopefully

either you can or you can't ..if you can then do so but if you can't just admit it ..it will only sting for a while

Since you have rejected the dictionary definition of the word "evidence", you're right - I cannot provide you with something that fulfills the definition of a word that has no definition.

"Skyhook" ..when did I reject any definition of evidence ..I simply ask for evidence beyond your experience being a dream ..so let's take a look at the evidence you supplied so far ..

(1)..you say that you saw yourself six feet from your out of body self

(2)..you said that you hover

(3) .. you said that Princton did research

so what in any of the evidence that you supplied provides evidence that what you experienced was beyond a dream ..

So here is the definition of "evidence" that I am using (from the American Heritage College Dictionary - Fourth Edition):
"evidence": 1 - A thing or things helpful in forming a conclusion or judgment"

Now by that definition I can say that “seeing my body from six feet away” is “a thing that helped me form the conclusion” that I was not located at a point within my body.

When a person has an OOBE, in the case that they're still on our "plane" they view what is around them in real time without people [for the most part] being able to see them.

When a guy falls asleep and somehow has an OOBE and meanders around into his living room to find his brother watching tv and dropping 3 pieces of cheetohs on the floor only to pick them up and eat them even though they are dirty, then wake up and ask his brother if all that happened for his brother to say HOW THE HELL? that right there is the proof.

It's happened too many times, with accounts written by real people in books that all share that experience and try to find a deeper meaning to it, or simply express that they too have had the OOBE. It's possible that a dream similar to an OOBE can happen, but like I said, if a person has that experience, and notices all that is happening in real time, then asks people if all that really happened and it did, then how could it be a dream? Not possible. there is a link between sleeping and OOBE I'll say that, but the 2 are not the same. Sleep can be noted as one of the most meditated states a human can be in. Of course, what you see while you sleep, you are most likely not meant to remember for whatever reasons they may be if any.

The sad part is that only people who have had the same experiences will believe such proof, because that is the only proof available. It of course, is not a dream if all that happened in real time.


A person cannot gain new unknown knowledge in the aspect you describe it as funches. I do get what you are saying though, in a sense it's almost like saying..well..you experienced that...at least show me that it means something, otherwise its useless and pretty much the same as a dream. For a person to travel such far distances, levitation, hovering, in that OOBE state, they are not in physical human form. It is impossible to bring that knowledge and movement skills back with you. The only way you can bring such abilities with you is if you experienced and learned them in human form which is up to you to think weather its nuts to think its possible or not.

The only new unknown knowledge people have from that experience, is the ability to harness the experience, and create the experience at "will". Once that can be established, that is considered the new unknown knowledge.

Just a thought. Have you ever seen yourself in a dream? I haven't.

Has anyone ever seen their own body lying on their bed in a dream?

JB

ok ..I will go with your definition of what "evidence" is ..

so "Skyhook" can you provide "a thing or things helpful in forming a conclusion or judgement" that your out of body experience was beyond a dream?

"JennieBean" ..waking up from a Dream can induce instant memory loss which means you don't remember every dream you have

1) In all my life, I don't remember ever having a dream wherein I saw my body from outside of it
2) In all my life, I don't remember ever having a dream where I remembered everything so vividly and clearly.

That's enough evidence for me.

This statement is unproven and it has nothing to do with my question.

I have never had a dream where I saw myself in sleeping in my bed or anywhere else.

I remember my dreams very well, and I keep a dream journal.

JB

"JennieBean" ..if you could remember your dreams you wouldn't need a journal ..people keep journals in an attempt to write down a REM dream before they forget but REM occurs more than one time during a sleep period

but anyway you go through two stages of sleep ..one is REM the other is NREM sleep ..NREM takes place in four stages and REM or DREAM sleep happens after the fourth stage of NREM sleep and the cycle repeats itself which mean you are sleep when the cycles are taking place until you wake up whichs means you don't remember all your dreams

Thank you for the education but I know that. I wake up every two or three hours and jot down my dreams. If I did not remember them I would not be able to write them down. If I did not write them down, I would eventually forget them.

I did not say I remembered all my dreams but of the dreams I did remember and and wrote down I have NEVER had a dream in which I looked at my body on the bed alseep. Never.

"JennieBean" you are claiming "remote viewing" and you don't have to dream seeing your own body to do that ..to "remote view" you only have to be able to view the surroundings and happenstances that occurs during a dream ...and surely theres no denying that since those occurences are written into your journal

also you indicated that you wake up every three hours to write in a journal only suggest that you have trouble sleeping and may be sleep deprived and sometimes wake up during the time between a deep stage4 NREM episode and just before you enter into REM sleep which probably lead you to believe that you may have remote viewed

in your attempt to supply "Skyhook" with inaccurate out of body evidence you had to realize that you don't remember all your dreams which means you may have seen yourself in your dreams and just don't remember

Funches the conversation was about whether or not I had or ever remembered seeing myself or my body while dreaming. We were not discussing remote viewing. You are changing the subject. A very poor argumentative tactic.
JB