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Topic: "Out of body" experiences
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Wed 09/10/08 05:03 AM

No, skeptics are unimaginative, dull, and afraid of ghosts.laugh laugh laugh laugh

And they aren't created, they are born like everyone else except they don't remember being born and they probably received a head injury at birth.


"JennieBean" only evidence you provided is that delusion begins at birth

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Wed 09/10/08 05:24 AM

Funches said,


"Jess" well first of all they are your parents so as a child you probably heard the same conversations that your parents had hundreds of times that lead to them saying the same things leading to the same conclusion of the conversation

also as for remote viewing as to what was on your parent's telelvision ..you probably seen the program or remember one of your parents mentioning that they are going to watch it ...with today's technology with cell phones dvrs the internet makes using what's on television to prove that someone remote view unreliable



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Okay let's pull this apart shall we?

I have not been privy to the language of my parent's conversations since I was 15.... none, nada, uh uh...this happened 7 years ago when I was 37....22 years of ingrained memory of how my parents converse, when if we keep it in chronological context, I was rarely privy to their discourse as my father worked two jobs and didn't return till past 1.00 am most nights... six out of every 7 and was asleep in his armchair by 7.00pm on a Sunday night...
so no, although your explanation could be possible, not in these circumstances as discribed.

As to television?

Umm nope, I had lived on the streets for a few years, then moved to a property (farm) that had no electricity, and therefore, no television, to have embedded in my subconscious.
I had no flipping idea of what tv programming would look like.!!!

This is why I share this with you... it is a stand out experience for me... and NOT having the commonalities with the situation, NOT knowing the language of my parents' conversations, (the way they converse together), NOT knowing a thing about television programmes, made this experience unique.


"Jess" kids eventually become their parents ..you spent 15 years listening to and being programmed by your parents so you begin to think like them and become them ...15 years of listening to your parent and you can predict the outcome of any of their conversations and the television programs they would watch

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Wed 09/10/08 08:35 AM


No, skeptics are unimaginative, dull, and afraid of ghosts.laugh laugh laugh laugh

And they aren't created, they are born like everyone else except they don't remember being born and they probably received a head injury at birth.


"JennieBean" only evidence you provided is that delusion begins at birth


Funches you are so hung up on the word "delusion" that I am thinking you may be schizophrenic and delusional yourself. You are also so hung up with having no "free will" you probably feel helpless and controlled and have been confined in jail or a mental ward. My apologies I had no idea you have had such a hard life.

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Wed 09/10/08 09:09 AM



No, skeptics are unimaginative, dull, and afraid of ghosts.laugh laugh laugh laugh

And they aren't created, they are born like everyone else except they don't remember being born and they probably received a head injury at birth.


"JennieBean" only evidence you provided is that delusion begins at birth


Funches you are so hung up on the word "delusion" that I am thinking you may be schizophrenic and delusional yourself. You are also so hung up with having no "free will" you probably feel helpless and controlled and have been confined in jail or a mental ward. My apologies I had no idea you have had such a hard life.


"JennieBean" you make references to Draconians ruling the Earth third density universes that every now and then you fly around the rings of Saturn and that when you popped out of your mother's womb you have an out of body experience and those things I just name are the the most believable out of the bunch of the yarns you been telling ...and then you wonder why I use the term delusional ...you are dear are the poster child for delusional


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Wed 09/10/08 09:41 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 09/10/08 09:41 AM




No, skeptics are unimaginative, dull, and afraid of ghosts.laugh laugh laugh laugh

And they aren't created, they are born like everyone else except they don't remember being born and they probably received a head injury at birth.


"JennieBean" only evidence you provided is that delusion begins at birth


Funches you are so hung up on the word "delusion" that I am thinking you may be schizophrenic and delusional yourself. You are also so hung up with having no "free will" you probably feel helpless and controlled and have been confined in jail or a mental ward. My apologies I had no idea you have had such a hard life.


"JennieBean" you make references to Draconians ruling the Earth third density universes that every now and then you fly around the rings of Saturn and that when you popped out of your mother's womb you have an out of body experience and those things I just name are the the most believable out of the bunch of the yarns you been telling ...and then you wonder why I use the term delusional ...you are dear are the poster child for delusional


I am the High Priestess of the Universal Life Church of Brutal Truth and honesty and I am incapable of telling lies.

I have never seen a Draconian but I suspect they do exist. I have been out of my body, that is true. You can choose to believe me or not because I truly don't care funches. :tongue:

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Wed 09/10/08 02:20 PM

I believe (OBE)they are real and usually somewhat similar to others experiences around the world. I drowned for several minutes as a child and 5 family members witnessed my temporary death and can confirm that everything I saw and heard while dead was true and factual. But I've told my story before. Funches thinks I'm delusional. Oh well!



but my little Georgian peach cobbler ..I wasn't going to tell anyone that you were delusional :tongue:

It's fun being delusional! Almost as fun as reading all this er...stuff! winking :angel: winking

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Wed 09/10/08 02:47 PM

I am the High Priestess of the Universal Life Church of Brutal Truth and honesty and I am incapable of telling lies.


yes "JennieBean".. I'm pretty sure you are the "HIGH" Priestess


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Wed 09/10/08 02:48 PM


I am the High Priestess of the Universal Life Church of Brutal Truth and honesty and I am incapable of telling lies.


yes "JennieBean".. I'm pretty sure you are the "HIGH" Priestess




I wish... laugh laugh laugh laugh

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Wed 09/10/08 06:59 PM
another name for this phenomena is Astral Projection. very thrilling indeed

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Wed 09/10/08 07:04 PM
shades I believe in the Draco too.:smile: They are comingshades And soon Funches, your gonna believe too.shocked You will all believe when the mothership lands.scared

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Thu 09/11/08 06:09 AM

shades I believe in the Draco too.:smile: They are comingshades And soon Funches, your gonna believe too.shocked You will all believe when the mothership lands.scared


"MirrorMirror" Parliament and the Funkadelics already landed the mothership back there around 1979 and all that popped out from it was George Clinton ..unless you're saiding that he's a Draconian

just fastforward to the end of this video and you can see the mothership land and I guess a Draconian come out ...er..I guess it's a Draconian ..but it sure do look like George Clinton

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fdesO8CdC8


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Thu 09/11/08 01:43 PM


Funches said,


"Jess" well first of all they are your parents so as a child you probably heard the same conversations that your parents had hundreds of times that lead to them saying the same things leading to the same conclusion of the conversation

also as for remote viewing as to what was on your parent's telelvision ..you probably seen the program or remember one of your parents mentioning that they are going to watch it ...with today's technology with cell phones dvrs the internet makes using what's on television to prove that someone remote view unreliable



Bwah hahahahah!!!!!!!!!!laugh

Really??? Is that the best you can come up with?

I am so far removedfrom the environmental aspects of where I was initially raised.

I don't abuse my kids, I don't spend my time even with them, 'in absent' mind.

Perhaps in a generalised sense you have a potential agreeance from me, but in an individual case, ummmm nup.... wrong door Funches.

The potential to 'be' my parents never got a chance to rear it's head.... that environment of loveless abuse, and caustic criticisms was left where it lay, when I left at 15.

I do understand what you are saying, yes it is possible to become the environment you were raised in... however the extremes between then, and now, and even 7 years ago, with one of many remote viewing experiences I had, they dont fit neatly into the category you are hoping to place them.


************************************

Okay let's pull this apart shall we?

I have not been privy to the language of my parent's conversations since I was 15.... none, nada, uh uh...this happened 7 years ago when I was 37....22 years of ingrained memory of how my parents converse, when if we keep it in chronological context, I was rarely privy to their discourse as my father worked two jobs and didn't return till past 1.00 am most nights... six out of every 7 and was asleep in his armchair by 7.00pm on a Sunday night...
so no, although your explanation could be possible, not in these circumstances as discribed.

As to television?

Umm nope, I had lived on the streets for a few years, then moved to a property (farm) that had no electricity, and therefore, no television, to have embedded in my subconscious.
I had no flipping idea of what tv programming would look like.!!!

This is why I share this with you... it is a stand out experience for me... and NOT having the commonalities with the situation, NOT knowing the language of my parents' conversations, (the way they converse together), NOT knowing a thing about television programmes, made this experience unique.


"Jess" kids eventually become their parents ..you spent 15 years listening to and being programmed by your parents so you begin to think like them and become them ...15 years of listening to your parent and you can predict the outcome of any of their conversations and the television programs they would watch

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Thu 09/11/08 02:25 PM
Edited by SkyHook5652 on Thu 09/11/08 02:44 PM

Funches said:

"Jess" kids eventually become their parents ..you spent 15 years listening to and being programmed by your parents so you begin to think like them and become them ...15 years of listening to your parent and you can predict the outcome of any of their conversations and the television programs they would watch
Is this "evidence"?

I'm not debating it or denying it or anything as I don't intend to even reply unless you ask me a direct question that I feel I can answer.

I'm just asking for your personal opinion. Thanks.

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Thu 09/11/08 02:53 PM


Funches said:

"Jess" kids eventually become their parents ..you spent 15 years listening to and being programmed by your parents so you begin to think like them and become them ...15 years of listening to your parent and you can predict the outcome of any of their conversations and the television programs they would watch
Is this "evidence"?

I'm not debating it or denying it or anything as I don't intend to even reply unless you ask me a direct question that I feel I can answer.

I'm just asking for your personal opinion. Thanks.


"Skyhook"...I wasn't giving evidence .. I was giving a possible explanation ..are you saying that Princton Research wouldn't implied that same senerio

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Thu 09/11/08 03:07 PM
Edited by SkyHook5652 on Thu 09/11/08 03:46 PM



Funches said:

"Jess" kids eventually become their parents ..you spent 15 years listening to and being programmed by your parents so you begin to think like them and become them ...15 years of listening to your parent and you can predict the outcome of any of their conversations and the television programs they would watch
Is this "evidence"?

I'm not debating it or denying it or anything as I don't intend to even reply unless you ask me a direct question that I feel I can answer.

I'm just asking for your personal opinion. Thanks.


"Skyhook"...I wasn't giving evidence .. I was giving a possible explanation ..are you saying that Princton Research wouldn't implied that same senerio

Not saying they would or wouldn't.

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Thu 09/11/08 03:59 PM




Funches said:

"Jess" kids eventually become their parents ..you spent 15 years listening to and being programmed by your parents so you begin to think like them and become them ...15 years of listening to your parent and you can predict the outcome of any of their conversations and the television programs they would watch
Is this "evidence"?

I'm not debating it or denying it or anything as I don't intend to even reply unless you ask me a direct question that I feel I can answer.

I'm just asking for your personal opinion. Thanks.


"Skyhook"...I wasn't giving evidence .. I was giving a possible explanation ..are you saying that Princton Research wouldn't implied that same senerio

Not saying they would or wouldn't.


their research would have been a joke if they didn't


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Fri 09/12/08 10:46 AM

"Jess" well first of all they are your parents so as a child you probably heard the same conversations that your parents had hundreds of times that lead to them saying the same things leading to the same conclusion of the conversation

also as for remote viewing as to what was on your parent's telelvision ..you probably seen the program or remember one of your parents mentioning that they are going to watch it ...with today's technology with cell phones dvrs the internet makes using what's on television to prove that someone remote view unreliable


Bwah hahahahah!!!!!!!!!!laugh

Really??? Is that the best you can come up with?

I am so far removedfrom the environmental aspects of where I was initially raised.

I don't abuse my kids, I don't spend my time even with them, 'in absent' mind.

Perhaps in a generalised sense you have a potential agreeance from me, but in an individual case, ummmm nup.... wrong door Funches.

The potential to 'be' my parents never got a chance to rear it's head.... that environment of loveless abuse, and caustic criticisms was left where it lay, when I left at 15.

I do understand what you are saying, yes it is possible to become the environment you were raised in... however the extremes between then, and now, and even 7 years ago, with one of many remote viewing experiences I had, they dont fit neatly into the category you are hoping to place them.


"Jess" a researcher would wonder why if you have such a turmoiled relationship with your parents would you call them and ask about a conversation they had and what they may have watched on television because of a supposed remote viewing incident about them you may have had

it may be surmised that wishing to fix the relationship you called your parent with a fantastic story of a dream your have about them and your parents wishing to keep the lines of communication open and happy with the fact that you are dreaming about them may have agreed with what you were saying

either way there is no evidence that it was anything beyond a dream because it's simply no way to verify the incident and the evidence is tainted because you were their daughter and around them for 15 years and could have easily profiled their mannerisms therefore their television choices

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Fri 09/12/08 02:14 PM


"Jess" well first of all they are your parents so as a child you probably heard the same conversations that your parents had hundreds of times that lead to them saying the same things leading to the same conclusion of the conversation

also as for remote viewing as to what was on your parent's telelvision ..you probably seen the program or remember one of your parents mentioning that they are going to watch it ...with today's technology with cell phones dvrs the internet makes using what's on television to prove that someone remote view unreliable


Bwah hahahahah!!!!!!!!!!laugh

Really??? Is that the best you can come up with?

I am so far removedfrom the environmental aspects of where I was initially raised.

I don't abuse my kids, I don't spend my time even with them, 'in absent' mind.

Perhaps in a generalised sense you have a potential agreeance from me, but in an individual case, ummmm nup.... wrong door Funches.

The potential to 'be' my parents never got a chance to rear it's head.... that environment of loveless abuse, and caustic criticisms was left where it lay, when I left at 15.

I do understand what you are saying, yes it is possible to become the environment you were raised in... however the extremes between then, and now, and even 7 years ago, with one of many remote viewing experiences I had, they dont fit neatly into the category you are hoping to place them.


"Jess" a researcher would wonder why if you have such a turmoiled relationship with your parents would you call them and ask about a conversation they had and what they may have watched on television because of a supposed remote viewing incident about them you may have had

it may be surmised that wishing to fix the relationship you called your parent with a fantastic story of a dream your have about them and your parents wishing to keep the lines of communication open and happy with the fact that you are dreaming about them may have agreed with what you were saying

either way there is no evidence that it was anything beyond a dream because it's simply no way to verify the incident and the evidence is tainted because you were their daughter and around them for 15 years and could have easily profiled their mannerisms therefore their television choices



Doesn't television change in 22 years? Doesn't programming change? From the 70's to the 90's?

And as to the tumultuous beginnings.... and where I had arrived at, at age 37... a lot had already been resolved...

What you seem to want so desperately funches is a neat little box of YOUR parameters, so that everything fits.

Life doesn't fit, nor people into categories.

I don't have to justify anything, I offered an example... I offered a factual EXPERIENCED example of remote vewing, complete with outside witness, who was the first person I spoke to after awaking, and sharing the 'dream' details with... (five minutes after awaking)... I then rang my folks later that morning, (as NZ is two hours ahead), and in front of the 'witness' asked them if they had had this conversation, word for word, whilst this particular programme was on, and asked them if they were in this particular seating arrangement, wearing these particular clothes.

You can attempt to assimilate facts with fiction, (yours) all you want funches... I have nothing to prove to you..

However I do enjoy the parrying..:wink:


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Fri 09/12/08 04:44 PM

Doesn't television change in 22 years? Doesn't programming change? From the 70's to the 90's?

"Jess"..television may change but usually not the type of television programs one would watch would change much ..for example if your parents watched Star Trek (kirk,spock) then they probably watch Star Trek the next generation (picard,riker)


And as to the tumultuous beginnings.... and where I had arrived at, at age 37... a lot had already been resolved...

if you say that a lot of issues have been resolved is an indication that you "have been" conversating with your parents and realize nothing much changed in their conversations and/or televisions habits


What you seem to want so desperately funches is a neat little box of YOUR parameters, so that everything fits.

it's exactly the opposite ..I'm trying to push the parameters ..it's everyone else that wish to fit there life into neat little unexplainable boxes .


Life doesn't fit, nor people into categories.

Life does fit and people do fit into categories ..that's why people are easy to profile.. people follow the same or simular pattern ..they may even take a dump the same time everyday


I don't have to justify anything

I know


, I offered an example... I offered a factual EXPERIENCED example of remote vewing

"Jess" the evidence could be a result of mass hysteria ..everyone agreeing with an event that they wish to have taken place to lesser discord or to bond


, complete with outside witness, who was the first person I spoke to after awaking, and sharing the 'dream' details with... (five minutes after awaking)... I then rang my folks later that morning, (as NZ is two hours ahead), and in front of the 'witness' asked them if they had had this conversation, word for word, whilst this particular programme was on, and asked them if they were in this particular seating arrangement, wearing these particular clothes.

everyone has their own special place they like to sit on the couch while watching television or clothes they may like to wear ..and saying that they remembered the actual conversation word for word would indicate they someone accidently left a recording machine on.. if not..then how would they know it was word for word


You can attempt to assimilate facts with fiction, (yours) all you want funches... I have nothing to prove to you..

I know


However I do enjoy the parrying..:wink:

as Patrick Swayze said to Demi Moore in the movie "Ghost" ....Ditto

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