After reading through the posts, I think there is general disagreement/misunderstanding about what an out of body experience is and the capabilities of an individual while in the OBE state. I believe this has lead to much of the tension between posters here.

Being in the OBE state doesn't always mean you are hanging around on the same plane of existence as everyone else. Certainly that is possible but doesn't occur all the time. The idea of viewing someone, or something, else or what they are doing is called remote viewing and is very different than having an out of body experience.

The idea behind remote viewing is to provide objective, verifiable information about the target. This is more difficult than it sounds and takes a lot of training and practice. There is a lot of information and books out there on this subject so I suggest looking into those if this is something that interests you. I suggest looking into an individual by the name of Joseph McMoneagle.

Going back to out of body experiences, these are something you have to experience for yourself as no one else can prove it for you. This is similar to someone asking you to prove you love someone--you can't prove it, it is just something that you know, feel, and experience.

Is it possible that people claiming to have an OBE are just dreaming or hallucinating, sure it is. By the same token though, it is also equally possible that they are _not_ dreaming or hallucinating. The only way to know for sure is to experience it for yourself. You can read about it, debate it, believe or not believe, but ultimately none of that matters until you experience it for yourself--then you will know.

of course you have no reason to do either because that would pop you out of you little fantasy of being God ..

do you wish to know why? ..since you tried to play Dr. Phil with me I will return the favor

it's called "Trinity Syndrome" you are the son your projected self is the father and the "new unknown knowledge" that bridge you two entities constitutes the holy spirit ..but unfortunely since you can't provide any new unknown knowledge indicates that your out of body experience as being nothing more than conscious induced R.E.M. sleep ..

it's an acute condition that usually effects those of the "New Age" aka "Scientology" faith that choose to keep the God but dump the religion and replace the religion with their own moral standards thereby placing themselves into the role of God

and that "Skyhook" is why you are unable to provide any evidence beyond you having a delusion

Is it possible that people claiming to have an OBE are just dreaming or hallucinating, sure it is. By the same token though, it is also equally possible that they are _not_ dreaming or hallucinating. The only way to know for sure is to experience it for yourself. You can read about it, debate it, believe or not believe, but ultimately none of that matters until you experience it for yourself--then you will know.

even if one does experience an out of body event themself doesn't mean it wasn't still a dream an hallucination or conscious induce R.E.M. sleep

that is why it's only reasonable to ask for any evidence that may prove otherwise ..if they have none then why wouldn't a simple "no" be the most appropriate response

it's called "Trinity Syndrome" you are the son your projected self is the father and the "new unknown knowledge" that bridge you two entities constitutes the holy spirit ..but unfortunely since you can't provide any new unknown knowledge indicates that your out of body experience as being nothing more than conscious induced R.E.M. sleep ..

it's an acute condition that usually effects those of the "New Age" aka "Scientology" faith that choose to keep the God but dump the religion and replace the religion with their own moral standards thereby placing themselves into the role of God

and that "Skyhook" is why you are unable to provide any evidence beyond you having a delusion

Wrong again.

After reading through the posts, I think there is general disagreement/misunderstanding about what an out of body experience is and the capabilities of an individual while in the OBE state. I believe this has lead to much of the tension between posters here.

Being in the OBE state doesn't always mean you are hanging around on the same plane of existence as everyone else. Certainly that is possible but doesn't occur all the time. The idea of viewing someone, or something, else or what they are doing is called remote viewing and is very different than having an out of body experience.

The idea behind remote viewing is to provide objective, verifiable information about the target. This is more difficult than it sounds and takes a lot of training and practice. There is a lot of information and books out there on this subject so I suggest looking into those if this is something that interests you. I suggest looking into an individual by the name of Joseph McMoneagle.

Going back to out of body experiences, these are something you have to experience for yourself as no one else can prove it for you. This is similar to someone asking you to prove you love someone--you can't prove it, it is just something that you know, feel, and experience.

Is it possible that people claiming to have an OBE are just dreaming or hallucinating, sure it is. By the same token though, it is also equally possible that they are _not_ dreaming or hallucinating. The only way to know for sure is to experience it for yourself. You can read about it, debate it, believe or not believe, but ultimately none of that matters until you experience it for yourself--then you will know.

"Skyhook" you been debunked

Whatever you think is right funchie.

well you know..I keep forgetting that in this place no proof is proof

In other words, RV is like seeing an object around a corner via the use of a mirror, whereas OBE is like actually going around the corner

But still NOBODY has EVER in a controlled environment been able to successfully say what was around the corner..

THAT is the proof that both are not possible. So many people claim to have this skill, but nobody has ever been able to show that they can do it.

I did read that hogwash.

But still NOBODY has EVER in a controlled environment been able to successfully say what was around the corner..

THAT is the proof that both are not possible. So many people claim to have this skill, but nobody has ever been able to show that they can do it.

Are you saying that you believe all 650 instances documented by the Princeton University research team to be just "hogwash"?

Yes they have. I have a good friend who went to a seminar especially for this specific purpose. It was to test (and maybe learn) how to do this. The man who gave the seminar (not surprisingly) was a CIA agent (claimed to be X-CIA, but there is no such thing as X-CIA) who was masquerading as a minister of some kind of church in Colorado Springs.

My friend was the only person in the group who could actually see around the corner and she described exactly what he was looking at. For some reason, he seemed perturbed by her abilities.

I told her she should stay far away from any CIA agents. They are just NOT TO BE TRUSTED for the most part.

JB

Lol! You just read stuff and assume its true and twist it to help confirm what you think is true.

It actually says..

'Over its long history, PEAR has accumulated over 650 remote perception trials, performed over several phases of investigation.'

So there have been 650 trials. Not 650 successful trials.