"JennieBean" ...do you remember coming out your mother's womb ....if you don't does that means it didn't happen and that you were born in a test tube perhaps ..see how your logic isn't that logical

Actually I do remember that. It was horrible. Then the doctor had the audacity to spank my bare butt.

JB

Yes

"JennieBean" the fact that the doctor had to spank your sweet butt only suggest that your lungs were filled with fluid and you were unconscious being deprived of oxygen to the brain ..which suggest that you had your first delusion as a new born

which you? ..the out of body you or the you that saw your out of body self ...remember "Skyhook" it was two of you in the same delusion

No, there was not "two of me". There was one "me" and there was one "body". (i.e. there was one "obverver" and one "thing that was observed".) The two are entirely different.

Not true. I was not unconscious nor was I being deprived of oxygen. Spanking a baby was just common practice in those days. It is not done any more as far as I know. It was always done in those days. I know because I was there, and I was awake, breathing just fine and that doctor held me by my feet upside down and hit me at least twice. He really pissed me off.

JB

which means you can't even use your other self as a witness ..let's face it "skyhook" you have no evidence

"JennieBean" the doctor spanked you for whatever reason ..the doctor could have notice that you was being unresponsive in some way and decided to give you a jolt ..

remember you were a newborn baby and not a doctor or that doctor ...maybe you believe you was not unconscious but for the fact that you said the Doctor spanked you makes it a possibility

The doctor would have no way of knowing if I was conscious or not. He is not me. The fact is, spanking new born babies to make them cry was a common practice in those days.

BUT If I had been "unconscious" I would not have remembered the experience UNLESS I was having an out of body experience. So if I was "unconscious," then I had to have been having an out of body experience.

But neither you or the doctor experienced my birth. Only I did. I remember that I was fully conscious and the doctor spanked me and made me yell.

I certainly do remember being in my body and fully conscious at the time I was born, and I do remember feeling angry at the doctor for hitting me.

"JennieBean" you would have no way of knowing what the Doctor saw when he first looked at you which lead him to spank you..you are trying to say that you as a newborn knew more than the Doctor which is just a tad far fetched ... spanking was a common practice in those days because Doctors didn't have the equipment they have today to make a baby responsive ..

Then the only other explanation is that I was having an out of body experience. If my body was "unconscious" and yet I was still aware of what was going on, then I was conscious without my body.

There is your proof of out of body awareness. If you say I was unconscious, but yet I remember the event as a conscious memory, then I must have been out of my body.

JB

"JennieBean"...the only body you were out of was your mother's

The fact is, you don't know that funches. You have no experience with this and you don't know what you are talking about so you have nothing to add. You are just another skeptic and skeptics are a penny a dozen.

I presented statements that qualify as "evidence" exactly, per the definition you agreed to.

However, I will agree that "evidence", per the definition you agreed to, is subjective.

So yes, from your subjective viewpoint, I have no evidence.

"JennieBean"... skeptics are created from the delusions of the deluded ..

subjective?.... oh oh it's time for todays logic 101 class whenever the terms "subjective" "objective" or "paradox" is used in a debate it means the presenter of the term has no argument

No, skeptics are unimaginative, dull, and afraid of ghosts.

And they aren't created, they are born like everyone else except they don't remember being born and they probably received a head injury at birth.

So even though I agreed with the you, I have no argument.

Interesting.

Funches said,


"Jess" well first of all they are your parents so as a child you probably heard the same conversations that your parents had hundreds of times that lead to them saying the same things leading to the same conclusion of the conversation

also as for remote viewing as to what was on your parent's telelvision ..you probably seen the program or remember one of your parents mentioning that they are going to watch it ...with today's technology with cell phones dvrs the internet makes using what's on television to prove that someone remote view unreliable


************************************

Okay let's pull this apart shall we?

I have not been privy to the language of my parent's conversations since I was 15.... none, nada, uh uh...this happened 7 years ago when I was 37....22 years of ingrained memory of how my parents converse, when if we keep it in chronological context, I was rarely privy to their discourse as my father worked two jobs and didn't return till past 1.00 am most nights... six out of every 7 and was asleep in his armchair by 7.00pm on a Sunday night...
so no, although your explanation could be possible, not in these circumstances as discribed.

As to television?

Umm nope, I had lived on the streets for a few years, then moved to a property (farm) that had no electricity, and therefore, no television, to have embedded in my subconscious.
I had no flipping idea of what tv programming would look like.!!!

This is why I share this with you... it is a stand out experience for me... and NOT having the commonalities with the situation, NOT knowing the language of my parents' conversations, (the way they converse together), NOT knowing a thing about television programmes, made this experience unique.