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Topic: is god a liar?
Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 08/25/08 11:55 AM
The holy spirit is the same spirit that talks through those Ouija boards. They always lie. They never tell people the same things. JB I'm scared of those things...maybe I am scared of God?HMMMMM....lol No - you should be scared of Jeannie if you think she's right on this. I was just kidding. I don't think the ouija boards talk to anything except the subconscious and possibly lost spirits, but they don't talk to the supreme creator. JB

SharpShooter10 Joined Tue 11/20/07 Posts: 11271	Mon 08/25/08 12:02 PM
Look , I don’t sit down with God and have a beer with him on Wednesday nights. The way I understand it is that God very ,very, very rarely directly shows himself to man. “Why ?” You may ask… well its because of this free will thing. See if God talked directly to everyone peoples free will would be hampered. This all has to do with Satan. God wants us to freely accept him through faith and following his word. If he showed himself to everyone 99.1 % of people would accept him if for no other reason than self preservation. He does not want you to be his slave.God wants us to love him .kinda like you want your wife or girlfriend to love you for who you are and not for what you have or because of what you might do to them if they reject you. God keeps life the way it is because he wants you to accept him ..the idea of him, because you want too.Not because you are afraid he will crush you like a bug. This works in Satan favor as he can take the souls of those who make the decision to turn away from God. We pick hell God does not put us there. Just the way I see it. If that were true, then there would be no threat of Hell would there? JB Some TRUTH for you JB: The church (pagan sun worshippers) tells BUNCHES of lies! 1. If you are good, when you die you to heaven. 2. If you are bad, when you die you go to hell. 3. Sunday is the Sabbath (sun god worship) 4. Xmas is the day of the birth of the Messiah 5. Easter (Isthar worship-pagan goddess) is the day the Messiah rose The Bible doesn't say ANY of these things!!!! I mean people teach their innocent babies that there is a santa claus KNOWING that they are LYING through their teeth! Then they wonder why when their children are grown and learn the truth they consider their parents liars! The worst part is, instead of breaking the vicious cycle of lies, they continue with it and teach their children the same thing! Oh my bad, it's tradition..the tradition of lying to your children! How noble! I used to believe all of it, and then I sat down to read it for myself. I was tired of the (excuse my french) BS!!! In the process of reading and praying the TRUTH was revealed. Humble yourself (not to say that you are not already humble) Ask the right Elohim...YHWH. But, if you want to do it your own way, that is the beauty of my Elohim, He has given us free will to do as we please. Shalom! actually, I feel that Christmas was the conception of Christ and he was born in September, this is a deeper study of the priesthood at that time and the course of Abiah<--might be misspelled, not getting up to check right now When you get a minute, please post the scripture that says that the Messiah was conceived on xmas. Thank you. actually would love to, would take a lot longer than a minute or even two, basically, Joseph was a priest, and its a long study that gives the timeline, will try to gather some info on it for you if you would like so that you could read it yourself, i've been up all night and this is not a minute teaching, but check, mary met with sara who was pregnant with john and the baby kicked in her womb cause of the spirit of christ in her belly, not born yet, still in the belly, this was around christmas and all that, its really a mute point in as much as it is still the time that Christ began to dwell with us and shows that life begins at conception not birth and i'm not teaching a hour or so bible study in here, casting the pearls before swine thing that i just dont want to do, just giving my opinion of the way my study of scripture has developed in me, again, all must come to their own conclusions, I am not a Pastor, I dont seek converts to christianity, these are not my gifts given of God. I do study, read, pray and develop my own understanding of my Heavenly Father as best I can, love to talk with other believers even though I don't agree with a lot of what is taught in church by self proclaimed preachers Requesting a minute was a figure of speech, and you would cast no pearls before swine here, as I am one that studies to show thyself approved. My point of asking for a scripture that stated that The Messiah was conceived on xmas is moot. Since there is no such Scripture. Yes one can count backwards nine months, but as you stated it is your opinion that the Messiah was conceived on xmas. The Scriptures do not state that, so one should do as the Scriptures say and not add or take away from what is written. That is the problem with the church as it is, everyone stating their opionions on what they think. Stick to the scripture, especially when you are in a forum that has non-believers. It only confuses the issue. Please understand that I mean no disrespect to you and I can appreciate that you are leaning on your own understanding, but the Scriptures tell us not to lean on our own understanding. If we look back at the time of the conception of the Messiah it could have been on Dec 15th, or the 13th, or even the 27th. It doesn't state the date of His conception. Make no assumptions. The TRUTH is He was conceived and He came and fulfilled His mission and that was to let us know that we need to repent (turn back) for the Kingdom of Yahweh is at hand! Shalom! wasn't referring to you as swine, sorry if it sounded that way, and I know the minute thing was a figure of speech, wether christ was born or concieved on christmas is not really that important in the big picture, at least we share God and Christ either way and he began to dwell with us. God bless you and yours

MirrorMirror Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 89680	Mon 08/25/08 12:07 PM
The holy spirit is the same spirit that talks through those Ouija boards. They always lie. They never tell people the same things. JB I'm scared of those things...maybe I am scared of God?HMMMMM....lol No - you should be scared of Jeannie if you think she's right on this. I was just kidding. I don't think the ouija boards talk to anything except the subconscious and possibly lost spirits, but they don't talk to the supreme creator. JB Mine does I consult it for everything. That and my Scientology E-meter.

SharpShooter10 Joined Tue 11/20/07 Posts: 11271	Mon 08/25/08 12:08 PM
the bible does not have a scripture that says Christ was born or conceived on Christmas, once again, you must understand that Joseph was a priest and followed the course of Abiah (I know spelling) it really is a long detailed study and does pan out, This is a bible study, not one scripture that explains this. and this is not the forum for a bible study, c'mon, too many dissenting opinions in here for that and those that don't want to know, etc. People, believers, and non believers, you cannot take one scripture here and one there and make a comprehensible study or statement without it being out of context,

Yahsgirl66 Joined Sun 08/24/08 Posts: 130	Mon 08/25/08 12:08 PM
I don’t see the point of arguing what day or month Jesus was born on/in. The point is that his birth is celebrated. Also this X-MASS thing is a blatant back handed attempt to take Christ name out of the holiday. So if you respect the profit/ Savior of the world… I think it would be nice to include his name in his birthday celebration title. You are of course ASSUMING that the Bible tells us to celebrate His birth. It does not. Nor does it state that Dec. 25th was His birth date. That is a bold face LIE. Since there is no birth date given, and we are not instructed to celebrate the birthday of the MESSIAH, at any point or any where in the Bible. I am not showing any disrespect. I KNOW who I worship, do you? I tell you the TRUTH, you would fair much better to sit down and take the time to study, do some research. Stop believing the LIES. However if you insist on Dec 25th being the MESSIAH'S birth please provide the Scripture to back it up. Thank you Shalom! Its not a lie. We just decided to celebrate his birthday on Dec. 25th thats all. I have never had anyone tell me he was absolutely born on Dec. 25th. I think that the Lord likes the fact that we celebrate his sons birthday. What is your point??? I would like to know who "We" is? Who gave this "We" character the right to take the day of a pagan celebration and make it the date of my Messiah's birth? My point is: if you say that you are a believer shouldn't you KNOW what the origins of your beliefs are? Right now you are NOT celebrating the life of the Messiah, you are in fact worshipping idols. You are commanded NOT to do as the pagans do, yet every year come Dec 25th you take a pagan festival and have the nerve to say "We" decided it was the Messiah's birth! That is so wrong! But since that is okay with you, from now on whatever day you were born on, is no longer your birthday. I talked it over with "We" and "We" decided from now on your birthday is every 2nd Thursday of every 7th year in the months that start with the letter "O". You don't like that do you? You think I am being rude and disrespectful. Well guess what?! Your Messiah thinks the same about you, and when "We" decided it was okay to make His birthday 25th WITHOUT ANY AUTHORITY to do so?! It's okay for Him, but not for you? Oh yes, it's tradition. I have no time for lies or it's tradition, been there and done that, there is no fruit on that tree. Shalom!

SharpShooter10 Joined Tue 11/20/07 Posts: 11271	Mon 08/25/08 12:14 PM Edited by SharpShooter10 on Mon 08/25/08 12:30 PM
Look , I don’t sit down with God and have a beer with him on Wednesday nights. The way I understand it is that God very ,very, very rarely directly shows himself to man. “Why ?” You may ask… well its because of this free will thing. See if God talked directly to everyone peoples free will would be hampered. This all has to do with Satan. God wants us to freely accept him through faith and following his word. If he showed himself to everyone 99.1 % of people would accept him if for no other reason than self preservation. He does not want you to be his slave.God wants us to love him .kinda like you want your wife or girlfriend to love you for who you are and not for what you have or because of what you might do to them if they reject you. God keeps life the way it is because he wants you to accept him ..the idea of him, because you want too.Not because you are afraid he will crush you like a bug. This works in Satan favor as he can take the souls of those who make the decision to turn away from God. We pick hell God does not put us there. Just the way I see it. If that were true, then there would be no threat of Hell would there? JB Some TRUTH for you JB: The church (pagan sun worshippers) tells BUNCHES of lies! 1. If you are good, when you die you to heaven. 2. If you are bad, when you die you go to hell. 3. Sunday is the Sabbath (sun god worship) 4. Xmas is the day of the birth of the Messiah 5. Easter (Isthar worship-pagan goddess) is the day the Messiah rose The Bible doesn't say ANY of these things!!!! I mean people teach their innocent babies that there is a santa claus KNOWING that they are LYING through their teeth! Then they wonder why when their children are grown and learn the truth they consider their parents liars! The worst part is, instead of breaking the vicious cycle of lies, they continue with it and teach their children the same thing! Oh my bad, it's tradition..the tradition of lying to your children! How noble! I used to believe all of it, and then I sat down to read it for myself. I was tired of the (excuse my french) BS!!! In the process of reading and praying the TRUTH was revealed. Humble yourself (not to say that you are not already humble) Ask the right Elohim...YHWH. But, if you want to do it your own way, that is the beauty of my Elohim, He has given us free will to do as we please. Shalom! actually, I feel that Christmas was the conception of Christ and he was born in September, this is a deeper study of the priesthood at that time and the course of Abiah<--might be misspelled, not getting up to check right now When you get a minute, please post the scripture that says that the Messiah was conceived on xmas. Thank you. actually would love to, would take a lot longer than a minute or even two, basically, Joseph was a priest, and its a long study that gives the timeline, will try to gather some info on it for you if you would like so that you could read it yourself, i've been up all night and this is not a minute teaching, but check, mary met with sara who was pregnant with john and the baby kicked in her womb cause of the spirit of christ in her belly, not born yet, still in the belly, this was around christmas and all that, its really a mute point in as much as it is still the time that Christ began to dwell with us and shows that life begins at conception not birth and i'm not teaching a hour or so bible study in here, casting the pearls before swine thing that i just dont want to do, just giving my opinion of the way my study of scripture has developed in me, again, all must come to their own conclusions, I am not a Pastor, I dont seek converts to christianity, these are not my gifts given of God. I do study, read, pray and develop my own understanding of my Heavenly Father as best I can, love to talk with other believers even though I don't agree with a lot of what is taught in church by self proclaimed preachers Requesting a minute was a figure of speech, and you would cast no pearls before swine here, as I am one that studies to show thyself approved. My point of asking for a scripture that stated that The Messiah was conceived on xmas is moot. Since there is no such Scripture. Yes one can count backwards nine months, but as you stated it is your opinion that the Messiah was conceived on xmas. The Scriptures do not state that, so one should do as the Scriptures say and not add or take away from what is written. That is the problem with the church as it is, everyone stating their opionions on what they think. Stick to the scripture, especially when you are in a forum that has non-believers. It only confuses the issue. Please understand that I mean no disrespect to you and I can appreciate that you are leaning on your own understanding, but the Scriptures tell us not to lean on our own understanding. If we look back at the time of the conception of the Messiah it could have been on Dec 15th, or the 13th, or even the 27th. It doesn't state the date of His conception. Make no assumptions. The TRUTH is He was conceived and He came and fulfilled His mission and that was to let us know that we need to repent (turn back) for the Kingdom of Yahweh is at hand! Shalom! wasn't referring to you as swine, sorry if it sounded that way, and I know the minute thing was a figure of speech, wether christ was born or concieved on christmas is not really that important in the big picture, at least we share God and Christ either way and he began to dwell with us. God bless you and yours didn't add or take anything away from scripture, this is a long study for those that care to study and is not appropriate for a mingle religion forum topic, I do study, daily, have studied often, dont add to or take away anything, i make no assumptions, every one wants all their answers in a scripture or two, aint gonna happen, read all of it, more than once, it is there about joseph, being a priest, and you can pretty much come to your own belief. I study for my knowledge mainly, we must all do that and not depend on what someone else says, including me, you and everyone in here

hinkypoepoe Joined Mon 08/04/08 Posts: 360	Mon 08/25/08 12:16 PM
Look , I don’t sit down with God and have a beer with him on Wednesday nights. The way I understand it is that God very ,very, very rarely directly shows himself to man. “Why ?” You may ask… well its because of this free will thing. See if God talked directly to everyone peoples free will would be hampered. This all has to do with Satan. God wants us to freely accept him through faith and following his word. If he showed himself to everyone 99.1 % of people would accept him if for no other reason than self preservation. He does not want you to be his slave.God wants us to love him .kinda like you want your wife or girlfriend to love you for who you are and not for what you have or because of what you might do to them if they reject you. God keeps life the way it is because he wants you to accept him ..the idea of him, because you want too.Not because you are afraid he will crush you like a bug. This works in Satan favor as he can take the souls of those who make the decision to turn away from God. We pick hell God does not put us there. Just the way I see it. If that were true, then there would be no threat of Hell would there? JB Some TRUTH for you JB: The church (pagan sun worshippers) tells BUNCHES of lies! 1. If you are good, when you die you to heaven. 2. If you are bad, when you die you go to hell. 3. Sunday is the Sabbath (sun god worship) 4. Xmas is the day of the birth of the Messiah 5. Easter (Isthar worship-pagan goddess) is the day the Messiah rose The Bible doesn't say ANY of these things!!!! I mean people teach their innocent babies that there is a santa claus KNOWING that they are LYING through their teeth! Then they wonder why when their children are grown and learn the truth they consider their parents liars! The worst part is, instead of breaking the vicious cycle of lies, they continue with it and teach their children the same thing! Oh my bad, it's tradition..the tradition of lying to your children! How noble! I used to believe all of it, and then I sat down to read it for myself. I was tired of the (excuse my french) BS!!! In the process of reading and praying the TRUTH was revealed. Humble yourself (not to say that you are not already humble) Ask the right Elohim...YHWH. But, if you want to do it your own way, that is the beauty of my Elohim, He has given us free will to do as we please. Shalom! actually, I feel that Christmas was the conception of Christ and he was born in September, this is a deeper study of the priesthood at that time and the course of Abiah<--might be misspelled, not getting up to check right now When you get a minute, please post the scripture that says that the Messiah was conceived on xmas. Thank you. actually would love to, would take a lot longer than a minute or even two, basically, Joseph was a priest, and its a long study that gives the timeline, will try to gather some info on it for you if you would like so that you could read it yourself, i've been up all night and this is not a minute teaching, but check, mary met with sara who was pregnant with john and the baby kicked in her womb cause of the spirit of christ in her belly, not born yet, still in the belly, this was around christmas and all that, its really a mute point in as much as it is still the time that Christ began to dwell with us and shows that life begins at conception not birth and i'm not teaching a hour or so bible study in here, casting the pearls before swine thing that i just dont want to do, just giving my opinion of the way my study of scripture has developed in me, again, all must come to their own conclusions, I am not a Pastor, I dont seek converts to christianity, these are not my gifts given of God. I do study, read, pray and develop my own understanding of my Heavenly Father as best I can, love to talk with other believers even though I don't agree with a lot of what is taught in church by self proclaimed preachers There is no such thing as X-MAS it is called CHRISTMASS. As in The celebration of Christ Birthday. Lets see now… was I born on my birthday or was my birthday started the day I was born???? What do you mean was Christ Born on Christmas???????????? WTF are you talking about??? Who is Christ? Do you mean Krishna? Isn't he one of the g-ds of India? December 25th is the birth day of Mithra, so maybe it's MithraMASS! yep that's it, it's MithraMASS! Last time I checked my Bible, try as I might I NEVER found a date stating the Messiah's birth. Where does everyone get their information from? Oh yeah I forgot their parents, and their parents before them....perpetuate the lie! I'm still waiting for the rabbit that lays eggs! I wonder if he has a friend that is a goose the lays golden eggs! I could take the both of them on a world tour and be sitting pretty for the rest of my days!

SharpShooter10 Joined Tue 11/20/07 Posts: 11271	Mon 08/25/08 12:17 PM Edited by SharpShooter10 on Mon 08/25/08 12:18 PM
Look , I don’t sit down with God and have a beer with him on Wednesday nights. The way I understand it is that God very ,very, very rarely directly shows himself to man. “Why ?” You may ask… well its because of this free will thing. See if God talked directly to everyone peoples free will would be hampered. This all has to do with Satan. God wants us to freely accept him through faith and following his word. If he showed himself to everyone 99.1 % of people would accept him if for no other reason than self preservation. He does not want you to be his slave.God wants us to love him .kinda like you want your wife or girlfriend to love you for who you are and not for what you have or because of what you might do to them if they reject you. God keeps life the way it is because he wants you to accept him ..the idea of him, because you want too.Not because you are afraid he will crush you like a bug. This works in Satan favor as he can take the souls of those who make the decision to turn away from God. We pick hell God does not put us there. Just the way I see it. If that were true, then there would be no threat of Hell would there? JB Some TRUTH for you JB: The church (pagan sun worshippers) tells BUNCHES of lies! 1. If you are good, when you die you to heaven. 2. If you are bad, when you die you go to hell. 3. Sunday is the Sabbath (sun god worship) 4. Xmas is the day of the birth of the Messiah 5. Easter (Isthar worship-pagan goddess) is the day the Messiah rose The Bible doesn't say ANY of these things!!!! I mean people teach their innocent babies that there is a santa claus KNOWING that they are LYING through their teeth! Then they wonder why when their children are grown and learn the truth they consider their parents liars! The worst part is, instead of breaking the vicious cycle of lies, they continue with it and teach their children the same thing! Oh my bad, it's tradition..the tradition of lying to your children! How noble! I used to believe all of it, and then I sat down to read it for myself. I was tired of the (excuse my french) BS!!! In the process of reading and praying the TRUTH was revealed. Humble yourself (not to say that you are not already humble) Ask the right Elohim...YHWH. But, if you want to do it your own way, that is the beauty of my Elohim, He has given us free will to do as we please. Shalom! actually, I feel that Christmas was the conception of Christ and he was born in September, this is a deeper study of the priesthood at that time and the course of Abiah<--might be misspelled, not getting up to check right now When you get a minute, please post the scripture that says that the Messiah was conceived on xmas. Thank you. actually would love to, would take a lot longer than a minute or even two, basically, Joseph was a priest, and its a long study that gives the timeline, will try to gather some info on it for you if you would like so that you could read it yourself, i've been up all night and this is not a minute teaching, but check, mary met with sara who was pregnant with john and the baby kicked in her womb cause of the spirit of christ in her belly, not born yet, still in the belly, this was around christmas and all that, its really a mute point in as much as it is still the time that Christ began to dwell with us and shows that life begins at conception not birth and i'm not teaching a hour or so bible study in here, casting the pearls before swine thing that i just dont want to do, just giving my opinion of the way my study of scripture has developed in me, again, all must come to their own conclusions, I am not a Pastor, I dont seek converts to christianity, these are not my gifts given of God. I do study, read, pray and develop my own understanding of my Heavenly Father as best I can, love to talk with other believers even though I don't agree with a lot of what is taught in church by self proclaimed preachers Requesting a minute was a figure of speech, and you would cast no pearls before swine here, as I am one that studies to show thyself approved. My point of asking for a scripture that stated that The Messiah was conceived on xmas is moot. Since there is no such Scripture. Yes one can count backwards nine months, but as you stated it is your opinion that the Messiah was conceived on xmas. The Scriptures do not state that, so one should do as the Scriptures say and not add or take away from what is written. That is the problem with the church as it is, everyone stating their opionions on what they think. Stick to the scripture, especially when you are in a forum that has non-believers. It only confuses the issue. Please understand that I mean no disrespect to you and I can appreciate that you are leaning on your own understanding, but the Scriptures tell us not to lean on our own understanding. If we look back at the time of the conception of the Messiah it could have been on Dec 15th, or the 13th, or even the 27th. It doesn't state the date of His conception. Make no assumptions. The TRUTH is He was conceived and He came and fulfilled His mission and that was to let us know that we need to repent (turn back) for the Kingdom of Yahweh is at hand! Shalom! wasn't referring to you as swine, sorry if it sounded that way, and I know the minute thing was a figure of speech, wether christ was born or concieved on christmas is not really that important in the big picture, at least we share God and Christ either way and he began to dwell with us. God bless you and yours I think maybe you are leaning on your own understanding as well on things. and its not yahweh or YHWH, its YHVH ( pronounced, yah ha vay Hebrew 101

hinkypoepoe Joined Mon 08/04/08 Posts: 360	Mon 08/25/08 12:23 PM
Last time I checked it said CHRISTMASS on U.S. calendars. You get Christmas off not krishnaday off in December. Christmas and Easter are recognized by Federal, Sate and Local governments in the U.S.A. So no leg for you to stand on. Hey the pagans got Halloween right. At least Jesus loves us enough to give us the day off. Haaa Haaaa!!!!

SharpShooter10 Joined Tue 11/20/07 Posts: 11271	Mon 08/25/08 12:28 PM
gonna go, to all the believers: Good day to you to all the non believers: Good day to you as well May you all find peace, love, happiness and truth

Yahsgirl66 Joined Sun 08/24/08 Posts: 130	Mon 08/25/08 12:38 PM
Last time I checked it said CHRISTMASS on U.S. calendars. You get Christmas off not krishnaday off in December. Christmas and Easter are recognized by Federal, Sate and Local governments in the U.S.A. So no leg for you to stand on. Hey the pagans got Halloween right. At least Jesus loves us enough to give us the day off. Haaa Haaaa!!!! My mistake. I was under the impression that you were a Bible believing individual. You do as the Federal, state & Local government commands you, and as for me and my house I'll will stick to what the Bible says. Shalom!

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Mon 08/25/08 12:41 PM Edited by tribo on Mon 08/25/08 12:44 PM
You are tempting God by basicaly telling him ..prove yourself to me..show me you exist by telling me my nick name. Who are you to demand anything of God???????Do you know how selfish you are being?? Well who are you to ask that? Tribo is not telling God to prove himself. I believe he is telling these born again Christians who claim to speak to the holy spirit and claim to have direct access to all truth, to prove their claim ~~~or shut up. Me thinks they shut up. I haven't heard from any of them. Ok reborns- I get it now. Yes, I think a lot of these TV preachers are full of dog crap. I think if God talked to them directly they would fall apart. "God told me that you need to send the Reverend Reflow Dollar a GRAND$ BECAUSE HE NEEDS SOME 20 INCH RIMS ON HIS NEW NAVAGATOR." Praise Jesus." Dont trust'em dont trust'em. Your hearing from one now......and I have nothing to prove to anyone......it's you guys that have a problem with it.....why is it that we are always the ones proving here.... It's your turn now...prove that we don't....... Deb dear, im not the one claiming, nor have i ever claimed to speak directly to god and get answers back - i'm not asking anyone who says they dont hear god audibly or in their mind or by telepathy - i'm asking those who do claim this to answer my questions? i don't want an answer from you guy's - i want an answer from the holy spirit you say you speak to that leads you in all truth to give "you" the answer and then post it to me here. - see my original questions - before everthing went to hell here.

hinkypoepoe Joined Mon 08/04/08 Posts: 360	Mon 08/25/08 12:44 PM
Last time I checked it said CHRISTMASS on U.S. calendars. You get Christmas off not krishnaday off in December. Christmas and Easter are recognized by Federal, Sate and Local governments in the U.S.A. So no leg for you to stand on. Hey the pagans got Halloween right. At least Jesus loves us enough to give us the day off. Haaa Haaaa!!!! My mistake. I was under the impression that you were a Bible believing individual. You do as the Federal, state & Local government commands you, and as for me and my house I'll will stick to what the Bible says. Shalom! Yeh right…Please . Do you actually read these post or do you just make it up as you go. I was talking about Christmas being a recognized holiday by more than just Christians. Even Jews recognize Jesus as a Profit.

Eljay Joined Tue 05/08/07 Posts: 2426	Mon 08/25/08 12:53 PM
Well - it is difficult to honor your request without using scripture, for it also says clearly in the scripture that "the Holy spirit does not speak for himself" - which is what you are asking him to do. Therefore, if it something that the Spirit does not do - how could you demand that He show evidence of Himself by doing so? You are asking Him to contradict himself - which would be proof that He's NOT the Spirit to whom you seek answers from. This is like gunning your car while it's up on Jacks. You can spin the wheels all you want - but you're not going any where. Where in the Bible does it say that the Holy Spirit does not speak for himself? Is that not a contradiction to what Born again Christians have been saying here on this forum? Did they not proclaim that the Holy spirit speaks to them and they they alone know truth because of this? Now I am confused. Does the Bible contradict itself or is someone misinterpreting it? JB Jeannie; The reference is John 16: 13a "He will not speak on his own..." But to get a clear picture of the context of this verse I would suggest you read From John 14:1 until the end of chapter 15. That is - if your more interested in what is actually written than what everybody has been claiming it say. It has not been the Christians on the forum who have been claiming what the bible says about the Holy Spirit - but it's been Abra, Tribo, and others. As far as I know - the "born agains" claim the H.S. will lead one to the truth. That is what they SHOULD be saying, because that is what is stated in the text. Clearly Jeannie - there is so much mis-interpretation of what the bible says, that I couldn't tell you who's read it and who hasn't. With a few exceptions - on both sides of the argument. However, I think I could say with acuracy that for most of those who say they've read it - it's been years since they've done so, and they only read those passages which support their Pretext. Isn't this obvious to you as well?

MirrorMirror Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 89680	Mon 08/25/08 12:58 PM
gonna go, to all the believers: Good day to you to all the non believers: Good day to you as well May you all find peace, love, happiness and truth

Yahsgirl66 Joined Sun 08/24/08 Posts: 130	Mon 08/25/08 01:01 PM
Look , I don’t sit down with God and have a beer with him on Wednesday nights. The way I understand it is that God very ,very, very rarely directly shows himself to man. “Why ?” You may ask… well its because of this free will thing. See if God talked directly to everyone peoples free will would be hampered. This all has to do with Satan. God wants us to freely accept him through faith and following his word. If he showed himself to everyone 99.1 % of people would accept him if for no other reason than self preservation. He does not want you to be his slave.God wants us to love him .kinda like you want your wife or girlfriend to love you for who you are and not for what you have or because of what you might do to them if they reject you. God keeps life the way it is because he wants you to accept him ..the idea of him, because you want too.Not because you are afraid he will crush you like a bug. This works in Satan favor as he can take the souls of those who make the decision to turn away from God. We pick hell God does not put us there. Just the way I see it. If that were true, then there would be no threat of Hell would there? JB Some TRUTH for you JB: The church (pagan sun worshippers) tells BUNCHES of lies! 1. If you are good, when you die you to heaven. 2. If you are bad, when you die you go to hell. 3. Sunday is the Sabbath (sun god worship) 4. Xmas is the day of the birth of the Messiah 5. Easter (Isthar worship-pagan goddess) is the day the Messiah rose The Bible doesn't say ANY of these things!!!! I mean people teach their innocent babies that there is a santa claus KNOWING that they are LYING through their teeth! Then they wonder why when their children are grown and learn the truth they consider their parents liars! The worst part is, instead of breaking the vicious cycle of lies, they continue with it and teach their children the same thing! Oh my bad, it's tradition..the tradition of lying to your children! How noble! I used to believe all of it, and then I sat down to read it for myself. I was tired of the (excuse my french) BS!!! In the process of reading and praying the TRUTH was revealed. Humble yourself (not to say that you are not already humble) Ask the right Elohim...YHWH. But, if you want to do it your own way, that is the beauty of my Elohim, He has given us free will to do as we please. Shalom! actually, I feel that Christmas was the conception of Christ and he was born in September, this is a deeper study of the priesthood at that time and the course of Abiah<--might be misspelled, not getting up to check right now When you get a minute, please post the scripture that says that the Messiah was conceived on xmas. Thank you. actually would love to, would take a lot longer than a minute or even two, basically, Joseph was a priest, and its a long study that gives the timeline, will try to gather some info on it for you if you would like so that you could read it yourself, i've been up all night and this is not a minute teaching, but check, mary met with sara who was pregnant with john and the baby kicked in her womb cause of the spirit of christ in her belly, not born yet, still in the belly, this was around christmas and all that, its really a mute point in as much as it is still the time that Christ began to dwell with us and shows that life begins at conception not birth and i'm not teaching a hour or so bible study in here, casting the pearls before swine thing that i just dont want to do, just giving my opinion of the way my study of scripture has developed in me, again, all must come to their own conclusions, I am not a Pastor, I dont seek converts to christianity, these are not my gifts given of God. I do study, read, pray and develop my own understanding of my Heavenly Father as best I can, love to talk with other believers even though I don't agree with a lot of what is taught in church by self proclaimed preachers Requesting a minute was a figure of speech, and you would cast no pearls before swine here, as I am one that studies to show thyself approved. My point of asking for a scripture that stated that The Messiah was conceived on xmas is moot. Since there is no such Scripture. Yes one can count backwards nine months, but as you stated it is your opinion that the Messiah was conceived on xmas. The Scriptures do not state that, so one should do as the Scriptures say and not add or take away from what is written. That is the problem with the church as it is, everyone stating their opionions on what they think. Stick to the scripture, especially when you are in a forum that has non-believers. It only confuses the issue. Please understand that I mean no disrespect to you and I can appreciate that you are leaning on your own understanding, but the Scriptures tell us not to lean on our own understanding. If we look back at the time of the conception of the Messiah it could have been on Dec 15th, or the 13th, or even the 27th. It doesn't state the date of His conception. Make no assumptions. The TRUTH is He was conceived and He came and fulfilled His mission and that was to let us know that we need to repent (turn back) for the Kingdom of Yahweh is at hand! Shalom! wasn't referring to you as swine, sorry if it sounded that way, and I know the minute thing was a figure of speech, wether christ was born or concieved on christmas is not really that important in the big picture, at least we share God and Christ either way and he began to dwell with us. God bless you and yours I think maybe you are leaning on your own understanding as well on things. and its not yahweh or YHWH, its YHVH ( pronounced, yah ha vay Hebrew 101 INCORRECT "yah ha vay" is INCORRECT. Instead of trying to one up me, when it really isn't about that, you should be more concerned with having the correct information. KNOW who you worship. CORRECT "Yod He Vav He" CORRECT. Put that into the English Alphabet it would be: YHWH or as some say YHVH--there is a debate. Add vowels to His name (although in Hebrew there are no vowel points) you would get YAHWEH. I don't lean on my understanding, it's Hebrew look it up. Shalom! <--that means Peace in Hebrew.

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Mon 08/25/08 01:02 PM
hmmmm??? all i keep seeing JB is endless jibbersh that has nothing to do with what i originally asked, everyone wants to talk about how god is - i nkow how god is - I'm ASKING ANYONE TO TELL ME MY NICKNAME BY TALKING TO YOUR HOLY SPIRIT AND HAVING HIM ANSWER !!!! NOT YOUR ANSWERS!! well dude, thats a stupid question to be honest, God and the Holy Spirit has a lot more to do than play trivia games with a non believer, what you are asking just aint gonna happen, get over it hmm? stupid? ok, i thought maybe someone might say ignorant - but stupid? were all ignorant of things thats a common flaw of mankind as a whole, stupid on the other hand is a whole other topic. God and jesus have no more to do now then they ever have, you limit your god's ability to handle and be in control in an infinite manner by making such a "Stupid" statement as you have made. as to the rest of your reply which is totally off topic to begin with, your gods a trivial god so i see where there should be no conflict there in any way? I know it's not going to happen - neither you, or any of the rest can or will answer it, the question is for those who say they speak to god and god answers them back quite frequently with answers they ask, to do the same to the awnswers i have asked them to ask for me since i dont have this god to talk to. very simple request - that evidentally no one is coming forth to do? I wonder why? hmmm??? Tempting god? i think not - it's sincere questions i ask, but as usual everything posted goes way of course. i just may have the moderators delete all the crap that does not address the original post, huh?

Yahsgirl66 Joined Sun 08/24/08 Posts: 130	Mon 08/25/08 01:10 PM
Last time I checked it said CHRISTMASS on U.S. calendars. You get Christmas off not krishnaday off in December. Christmas and Easter are recognized by Federal, Sate and Local governments in the U.S.A. So no leg for you to stand on. Hey the pagans got Halloween right. At least Jesus loves us enough to give us the day off. Haaa Haaaa!!!! My mistake. I was under the impression that you were a Bible believing individual. You do as the Federal, state & Local government commands you, and as for me and my house I'll will stick to what the Bible says. Shalom! Yeh right…Please . Do you actually read these post or do you just make it up as you go. I was talking about Christmas being a recognized holiday by more than just Christians. Even Jews recognize Jesus as a Profit. Yes, I am reading what you have posted. However it doesn't make any sense. A TRUE Christian does not acknowledge xmas. A TRUE Christian KNOWS that xmas is of pagan origin. Dec 25th has nothing to do with the Messiah, it is a pagan festival. You are fighting for your right to celebrate a pagan festival. Do you understand? Yes it's true Jews always recognize a profit. However most Jews do not consider the Messiah a Prophet. Shalom.

Abracadabra Joined Thu 04/12/07 Posts: 17851	Mon 08/25/08 01:25 PM
Leaving so soon? After you accused me "and people like me" of crucifying Christ in another thread? I'm still waiting for your apology or the reason you would think or say such a thing. Backing out of it now? Hit and run? Is that your M.O.? JB I didn't hear that one. But isn't that an oxymoron? Christians are supposed to be accepting that they are the reason that it was necessary for Christ to be crucified. To accept Christ as their 'savior' is to accept that they are the ones who were responsible for the need for him to be nailed to a cross to pay for their sins!. How can they then turn around and claim that someone else was responsible when the whole basis of their religion is to accept that they were responsible? Any Christian who claims that he or she would try to stop the crucifixion if they were there clearly don't understand what the religion is all about. To try to stop the crucifixion would be the same as saying, "No! I will not allow Jesus to pay for my sins!" Well, this is precisely what I've held all along. Had I been there I most certainly would have tried to stop the crucifixion because I do not accept that Jesus should die for my sake. I won't permit it or condone it! I cannot accept Jesus as my 'savior' because by doing so I would be nailing him to the cross myself for my sake. I'll pay for my own sins, thank you. People who reject Christ as their savior can in no way be held responsible for his crucifixion. They are absolutely refusing to condone it. Period.

MirrorMirror Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 89680	Mon 08/25/08 01:31 PM Edited by MirrorMirror on Mon 08/25/08 01:33 PM
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