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Topic: is god a liar?
hinkypoepoe's photo
Mon 08/25/08 09:25 AM
Edited by hinkypoepoe on Mon 08/25/08 09:40 AM






Shemoth (Exodus)5:1

"Moses and Aaron went in and said to Pharaoh, Thus said YHWH Elohim of Israel, Let my people go, so that they keep a festival to Me in the wilderness."
And Pharaoh said, Who is YHWH, that I should obey His voice to let His people go? I do not know YHWH, nor am I going to let Israel go."

Pharaoh said he did not know YHWH, well YHWH introduced Himself to Pharaoh and ten plagues later, Egypt hasn't been the same since! laugh

If you truly wish to meet YHWH's Set Apart Spirit, humble yourself and show some respect. flowerforyou

Shalom!


If he's real i will show respect, but i've been asking this question on and off for over 2 decades and no one has responded correctly yet - thus no spirit to respect!! remeber god did at least give egypt an answer as you say many - i'm asking for 1 - 1 time only.

absence of spirit's answer = no spirit - unless you can do as i ask i need no further advice thnx.


We are the only creatures on this planet capable of advanced cognitive thought processes. We live on a small blue marble that is set in the perfect orbit , to sustain life ,around the sun. We are floating around in an unfathomable and seemingly endless amount of space. No other planet has shown signs of life as of yet and our planet is teaming with millions upon millions of life forms. God is talking to you every second of every day.



then let him answer - through those who say they hear his voice and speak with him ok?


You cant tempt God.You might well get your answer but I suspect you will not get it in the way you expect. I have noticed that in my life a lot of the answers I wanted from God came to me in very indirect ways. In fact I have noticed that the stronger my faith has becomes over the years the more answers I have recieved.


i'm not temting god i'm only asking that you who say you speak to him answer a question, is that to difficult for you or the others?



Look , I don’t sit down with God and have a beer with him on Wednesday nights. The way I understand it is that God very ,very, very rarely directly shows himself to man.

“Why ?” You may ask… well its because of this free will thing. See if God talked directly to everyone peoples free will would be hampered. This all has to do with Satan. God wants us to freely accept him through faith and following his word. If he showed himself to everyone 99.1 % of people would accept him if for no other reason than self preservation. He does not want you to be his slave.God wants us to love him .kinda like you want your wife or girlfriend to love you for who you are and not for what you have or because of what you might do to them if they reject you. God keeps life the way it is because he wants you to accept him ..the idea of him, because you want too.Not because you are afraid he will crush you like a bug. The down side is that this sometimes works in Satan favor as he can take the souls of those who make the decision to turn away from God. We pick hell God does not put us there. Just the way I see it.

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Mon 08/25/08 09:39 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 08/25/08 09:40 AM

Look , I don’t sit down with God and have a beer with him on Wednesday nights. The way I understand it is that God very ,very, very rarely directly shows himself to man.

“Why ?” You may ask… well its because of this free will thing. See if God talked directly to everyone peoples free will would be hampered. This all has to do with Satan. God wants us to freely accept him through faith and following his word. If he showed himself to everyone 99.1 % of people would accept him if for no other reason than self preservation. He does not want you to be his slave.God wants us to love him .kinda like you want your wife or girlfriend to love you for who you are and not for what you have or because of what you might do to them if they reject you. God keeps life the way it is because he wants you to accept him ..the idea of him, because you want too.Not because you are afraid he will crush you like a bug. This works in Satan favor as he can take the souls of those who make the decision to turn away from God. We pick hell God does not put us there. Just the way I see it.




If that were true, then there would be no threat of Hell would there?

JB

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Mon 08/25/08 09:40 AM




Shemoth (Exodus)5:1

"Moses and Aaron went in and said to Pharaoh, Thus said YHWH Elohim of Israel, Let my people go, so that they keep a festival to Me in the wilderness."
And Pharaoh said, Who is YHWH, that I should obey His voice to let His people go? I do not know YHWH, nor am I going to let Israel go."

Pharaoh said he did not know YHWH, well YHWH introduced Himself to Pharaoh and ten plagues later, Egypt hasn't been the same since! laugh

If you truly wish to meet YHWH's Set Apart Spirit, humble yourself and show some respect. flowerforyou

Shalom!


If he's real i will show respect, but i've been asking this question on and off for over 2 decades and no one has responded correctly yet - thus no spirit to respect!! remeber god did at least give egypt an answer as you say many - i'm asking for 1 - 1 time only.

absence of spirit's answer = no spirit - unless you can do as i ask i need no further advice thnx.


If I were YHWH I would send My set Apart Spirit to you, alas I am not YHWH, just His humble servant that had the same questions you have. I adjusted my attitude, humbled myself and got rid of the lies. When that was done I received YHWH's set apart Spirit.

I must state that it's not the spirit that the so-called christians proclaim to have with their Sunday worship (sun god), xmas (mithra's b'day) and easter (isthar) idol worship, I am talking about the TRUE ELOHIM of ISRAEL.

If you are asking g-d to send his spirit you won't get an answer, if you ask YHWH the Elohim of Israel for His truth and Spirit I do believe that you will receive it. Not advice just TRUTH:smile:

Shalom!






NO- i'm asking some one like you that claims to have his spirit to answer my question, no disrespect, but why would this be difficult if you have his spirit? just ask him to adress me with my dead fathers nickname he gave me ok? thnx


Okay I asked him, now you wait for the answer.smokin

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Mon 08/25/08 09:42 AM


Okay I asked him, now you wait for the answer.smokin


You asked him so the answer should come to you.

Abracadabra's photo
Mon 08/25/08 09:47 AM

Oh of course, what was I thinking. Wrong God. Geeeeze. slaphead


There's only one creator. If we worship our creator it's impossible to be worshiping the wrong God.

If any God claims that we aren't worshiping it, then clearly that God is claiming to not be our creator.

Never worship a book! There's no way of knowing who might have written it, or why!

If you want to worship your creator just do so directly from the pure unadulterated nakedness of your heart. Anything less than that is tainted and cannot be trusted. To worship a dogma is to become an idol worshipper and reject the true living spirit in favor of worshipping the ancient lies of men.

If you want to recognize your creator its best to do so directly and not trust the words of men who had agendas.

You can't go wrong worshipping your creator undefined. It's the purest form of worship possible. It's totally divine, holy, and untainted, and it doesn't required that you become a "Bigot for God". When you find yourself becomging a "Bigot for God" that's a clear sign that you're on the wrong track by worshipping a book. :wink:

Any doctrines that require that you become a "Bigot for God" are clearly false doctrines. No doubt about it.

hinkypoepoe's photo
Mon 08/25/08 09:48 AM
Edited by hinkypoepoe on Mon 08/25/08 09:53 AM


Look , I don’t sit down with God and have a beer with him on Wednesday nights. The way I understand it is that God very ,very, very rarely directly shows himself to man.

“Why ?” You may ask… well its because of this free will thing. See if God talked directly to everyone peoples free will would be hampered. This all has to do with Satan. God wants us to freely accept him through faith and following his word. If he showed himself to everyone 99.1 % of people would accept him if for no other reason than self preservation. He does not want you to be his slave.God wants us to love him .kinda like you want your wife or girlfriend to love you for who you are and not for what you have or because of what you might do to them if they reject you. God keeps life the way it is because he wants you to accept him ..the idea of him, because you want too.Not because you are afraid he will crush you like a bug. This works in Satan favor as he can take the souls of those who make the decision to turn away from God. We pick hell God does not put us there. Just the way I see it.




If that were true, then there would be no threat of Hell would there?

JB


You missed the point. Hell is real. You and me and everyone has the choice to follow God or not. I f you become evil full of hate and distain for everything God stands for then you have made the decision to turn away from God and God will not have you in his house. Would you let someone steal from you, murder your child, rape you and torcher the ones you love and then let them live in your house. I think not.

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Mon 08/25/08 09:49 AM





Shemoth (Exodus)5:1

"Moses and Aaron went in and said to Pharaoh, Thus said YHWH Elohim of Israel, Let my people go, so that they keep a festival to Me in the wilderness."
And Pharaoh said, Who is YHWH, that I should obey His voice to let His people go? I do not know YHWH, nor am I going to let Israel go."

Pharaoh said he did not know YHWH, well YHWH introduced Himself to Pharaoh and ten plagues later, Egypt hasn't been the same since! laugh

If you truly wish to meet YHWH's Set Apart Spirit, humble yourself and show some respect. flowerforyou

Shalom!


If he's real i will show respect, but i've been asking this question on and off for over 2 decades and no one has responded correctly yet - thus no spirit to respect!! remeber god did at least give egypt an answer as you say many - i'm asking for 1 - 1 time only.

absence of spirit's answer = no spirit - unless you can do as i ask i need no further advice thnx.


If I were YHWH I would send My set Apart Spirit to you, alas I am not YHWH, just His humble servant that had the same questions you have. I adjusted my attitude, humbled myself and got rid of the lies. When that was done I received YHWH's set apart Spirit.

I must state that it's not the spirit that the so-called christians proclaim to have with their Sunday worship (sun god), xmas (mithra's b'day) and easter (isthar) idol worship, I am talking about the TRUE ELOHIM of ISRAEL.

If you are asking g-d to send his spirit you won't get an answer, if you ask YHWH the Elohim of Israel for His truth and Spirit I do believe that you will receive it. Not advice just TRUTH:smile:

Shalom!






NO- i'm asking some one like you that claims to have his spirit to answer my question, no disrespect, but why would this be difficult if you have his spirit? just ask him to adress me with my dead fathers nickname he gave me ok? thnx


Okay I asked him, now you wait for the answer.smokin


fair enough, but you'll have to wait im busy - :tongue:

may i ask you what you asked him?

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Mon 08/25/08 09:50 AM




Shemoth (Exodus)5:1

"Moses and Aaron went in and said to Pharaoh, Thus said YHWH Elohim of Israel, Let my people go, so that they keep a festival to Me in the wilderness."
And Pharaoh said, Who is YHWH, that I should obey His voice to let His people go? I do not know YHWH, nor am I going to let Israel go."

Pharaoh said he did not know YHWH, well YHWH introduced Himself to Pharaoh and ten plagues later, Egypt hasn't been the same since! laugh

If you truly wish to meet YHWH's Set Apart Spirit, humble yourself and show some respect. flowerforyou

Shalom!


If he's real i will show respect, but i've been asking this question on and off for over 2 decades and no one has responded correctly yet - thus no spirit to respect!! remeber god did at least give egypt an answer as you say many - i'm asking for 1 - 1 time only.

absence of spirit's answer = no spirit - unless you can do as i ask i need no further advice thnx.


If I were YHWH I would send My set Apart Spirit to you, alas I am not YHWH, just His humble servant that had the same questions you have. I adjusted my attitude, humbled myself and got rid of the lies. When that was done I received YHWH's set apart Spirit.

I must state that it's not the spirit that the so-called christians proclaim to have with their Sunday worship (sun god), xmas (mithra's b'day) and easter (isthar) idol worship, I am talking about the TRUE ELOHIM of ISRAEL.

If you are asking g-d to send his spirit you won't get an answer, if you ask YHWH the Elohim of Israel for His truth and Spirit I do believe that you will receive it. Not advice just TRUTH:smile:

Shalom!


Oh of course, what was I thinking. Wrong God. Geeeeze. slaphead


See that was simple.:wink: You've got the wrong G-D. Now ask the questions to get the answers of which you seek, to the right Elohim, humble yourself and the TRUTH will set you free!flowerforyou

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Mon 08/25/08 09:50 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 08/25/08 09:57 AM
The people who are claiming that they and they only can know the truth (whatever that is) because they are born again and they speak to and hear the Holy Spirit, are making claims that they cannot back up. Why would they do this? Are they just needing to feel special?

There are even people who believe that they are Christ returned. What kind of delusion is this? Some people even follow these people who claim to be Christ.

Are we expected to believe them? Of course not. We ask for verification of some kind. Not just wild claims.

I believe the spirit world exists and that there are many spirits and that they can communicate with people. But some people are fooled into thinking they are talking to the all mighty God.

Not.

Don't make such claims if you are not willing to back them up. That is my advice.

JB




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Mon 08/25/08 09:53 AM
hmmmm???

all i keep seeing JB is endless jibbersh that has nothing to do with what i originally asked, everyone wants to talk about how god is - i nkow how god is -

I'm ASKING ANYONE TO TELL ME MY NICKNAME BY TALKING TO YOUR HOLY SPIRIT AND HAVING HIM ANSWER !!!! NOT YOUR ANSWERS!!

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Mon 08/25/08 09:55 AM





Shemoth (Exodus)5:1

"Moses and Aaron went in and said to Pharaoh, Thus said YHWH Elohim of Israel, Let my people go, so that they keep a festival to Me in the wilderness."
And Pharaoh said, Who is YHWH, that I should obey His voice to let His people go? I do not know YHWH, nor am I going to let Israel go."

Pharaoh said he did not know YHWH, well YHWH introduced Himself to Pharaoh and ten plagues later, Egypt hasn't been the same since! laugh

If you truly wish to meet YHWH's Set Apart Spirit, humble yourself and show some respect. flowerforyou

Shalom!


If he's real i will show respect, but i've been asking this question on and off for over 2 decades and no one has responded correctly yet - thus no spirit to respect!! remeber god did at least give egypt an answer as you say many - i'm asking for 1 - 1 time only.

absence of spirit's answer = no spirit - unless you can do as i ask i need no further advice thnx.


If I were YHWH I would send My set Apart Spirit to you, alas I am not YHWH, just His humble servant that had the same questions you have. I adjusted my attitude, humbled myself and got rid of the lies. When that was done I received YHWH's set apart Spirit.

I must state that it's not the spirit that the so-called christians proclaim to have with their Sunday worship (sun god), xmas (mithra's b'day) and easter (isthar) idol worship, I am talking about the TRUE ELOHIM of ISRAEL.

If you are asking g-d to send his spirit you won't get an answer, if you ask YHWH the Elohim of Israel for His truth and Spirit I do believe that you will receive it. Not advice just TRUTH:smile:

Shalom!


Oh of course, what was I thinking. Wrong God. Geeeeze. slaphead


See that was simple.:wink: You've got the wrong G-D. Now ask the questions to get the answers of which you seek, to the right Elohim, humble yourself and the TRUTH will set you free!flowerforyou


I know how to ask the questions and I always find my own personal answers. The universe provides the answers to me for my own benefit.

It makes no difference what name you want to give to your concept of God. I was just being sarcastic.

I don't make any claims of direct communication with spirits for other people, nor do I claim to have connections to the right God. I believe there may be some people who can do this,(talk to spirits) but I'm not one of them.

JB




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Mon 08/25/08 10:01 AM
I once asked if JC was a liar ... that was not popular ... laugh laugh

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Mon 08/25/08 10:01 AM
Edited by SharpShooter10 on Mon 08/25/08 10:14 AM
Those who mock God will recieve fair judgement, from God, for he will not be mocked,

folks who say they talked to God and he told them where to park their car so they wouldn't get a ticket or whatever they think the conversation was are mistaken as well.

If God Talked to you it probably be an earth shattering experience and I doubt one would share it in everyday conversation.

Having the Holy Spirit, doesn't mean you have trivial discussions with God

If you want to talk with God, it is through prayer, and he will hear you, doesn't mean you will get rich, get a caddy or some trivial, materialistic earthly thing.

The Holy Spirit is just that. SPIRIT

for every positive there is a negative, just as we can recieve the Holy Spirit, Satan, also has a spirit that dwells around as well

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Mon 08/25/08 10:02 AM

hmmmm???

all i keep seeing JB is endless jibbersh that has nothing to do with what i originally asked, everyone wants to talk about how god is - i nkow how god is -

I'm ASKING ANYONE TO TELL ME MY NICKNAME BY TALKING TO YOUR HOLY SPIRIT AND HAVING HIM ANSWER !!!! NOT YOUR ANSWERS!!
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You are tempting God by basicaly telling him ..prove yourself to me..show me you exist by telling me my nick name.

Who are you to demand anything of God???????Do you know how selfish you are being??

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Mon 08/25/08 10:04 AM


You originally asked "Is God a liar?"

I say no.

It would appear Abra agrees. :wink:


As for your nickname, my guess is it should have been pita, just kidding. :smile:

I figured you were in a joking mood, it wasnt really a serious question was it?



flowers

Abracadabra's photo
Mon 08/25/08 10:05 AM

The people who are claiming that they and they only can know the truth (whatever that is) because they are born again and they speak to and hear the Holy Spirit, are making claims that they cannot back up. Why would they do this? Are they just needing to feel special?


It's entirely ego-driven you can tell by the way they present their position from such a haughty stance.

If anyone truly knew the creator they would not be the lest bit haughty. They would be extremely humble.

When people use Christ as an egotistical weapon to beat other people over the head with like as if he's nothing more than a rubber doll, then you know they are in really sad shape themselves. ohwell

I would love to teach the "Love of Christ" as I know it. But the Christian Fundamentalists would stone me to death if I tried. They don't like the truth at all. For some reason they seem to hate love. Not sure why that is.


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Mon 08/25/08 10:05 AM
just for thought, there are many folks that have never darkened the doorstep of a church that I believe will go to Heaven.

God (Creator) whichever you prefer knows each of our hearts and minds, that is what we will be judged by. whats in our hearts and minds for only our creator knows that. Not what one believer or non believer says

hinkypoepoe's photo
Mon 08/25/08 10:07 AM
You are tempting God by basicaly telling him ..prove yourself to me..show me you exist by telling me my nick name.

SharpShooter10's photo
Mon 08/25/08 10:08 AM





Shemoth (Exodus)5:1

"Moses and Aaron went in and said to Pharaoh, Thus said YHWH Elohim of Israel, Let my people go, so that they keep a festival to Me in the wilderness."
And Pharaoh said, Who is YHWH, that I should obey His voice to let His people go? I do not know YHWH, nor am I going to let Israel go."

Pharaoh said he did not know YHWH, well YHWH introduced Himself to Pharaoh and ten plagues later, Egypt hasn't been the same since! laugh

If you truly wish to meet YHWH's Set Apart Spirit, humble yourself and show some respect. flowerforyou

Shalom!


If he's real i will show respect, but i've been asking this question on and off for over 2 decades and no one has responded correctly yet - thus no spirit to respect!! remeber god did at least give egypt an answer as you say many - i'm asking for 1 - 1 time only.

absence of spirit's answer = no spirit - unless you can do as i ask i need no further advice thnx.


If I were YHWH I would send My set Apart Spirit to you, alas I am not YHWH, just His humble servant that had the same questions you have. I adjusted my attitude, humbled myself and got rid of the lies. When that was done I received YHWH's set apart Spirit.

I must state that it's not the spirit that the so-called christians proclaim to have with their Sunday worship (sun god), xmas (mithra's b'day) and easter (isthar) idol worship, I am talking about the TRUE ELOHIM of ISRAEL.

If you are asking g-d to send his spirit you won't get an answer, if you ask YHWH the Elohim of Israel for His truth and Spirit I do believe that you will receive it. Not advice just TRUTH:smile:

Shalom!






NO- i'm asking some one like you that claims to have his spirit to answer my question, no disrespect, but why would this be difficult if you have his spirit? just ask him to adress me with my dead fathers nickname he gave me ok? thnx


Okay I asked him, now you wait for the answer.smokin
It's actually YHVH but thats just getting technical, (Yah Ha Vay) not Yahweh

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Mon 08/25/08 10:08 AM


Oh of course, what was I thinking. Wrong God. Geeeeze. slaphead


There's only one creator. If we worship our creator it's impossible to be worshiping the wrong God.

If any God claims that we aren't worshiping it, then clearly that God is claiming to not be our creator.

Never worship a book! There's no way of knowing who might have written it, or why!

If you want to worship your creator just do so directly from the pure unadulterated nakedness of your heart. Anything less than that is tainted and cannot be trusted. To worship a dogma is to become an idol worshipper and reject the true living spirit in favor of worshipping the ancient lies of men.

If you want to recognize your creator its best to do so directly and not trust the words of men who had agendas.

You can't go wrong worshipping your creator undefined. It's the purest form of worship possible. It's totally divine, holy, and untainted, and it doesn't required that you become a "Bigot for God". When you find yourself becomging a "Bigot for God" that's a clear sign that you're on the wrong track by worshipping a book. :wink:

Any doctrines that require that you become a "Bigot for God" are clearly false doctrines. No doubt about it.
again, mans doctrines not Gods

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