actually would love to, would take a lot longer than a minute or even two, basically, Joseph was a priest, and its a long study that gives the timeline, will try to gather some info on it for you if you would like so that you could read it yourself, i've been up all night and this is not a minute teaching, but check, mary met with sara who was pregnant with john and the baby kicked in her womb cause of the spirit of christ in her belly, not born yet, still in the belly, this was around christmas and all that, its really a mute point in as much as it is still the time that Christ began to dwell with us and shows that life begins at conception not birth and i'm not teaching a hour or so bible study in here, casting the pearls before swine thing that i just dont want to do, just giving my opinion of the way my study of scripture has developed in me, again, all must come to their own conclusions, I am not a Pastor, I dont seek converts to christianity, these are not my gifts given of God. I do study, read, pray and develop my own understanding of my Heavenly Father as best I can, love to talk with other believers even though I don't agree with a lot of what is taught in church by self proclaimed preachers

There is no such thing as X-MAS it is called CHRISTMASS. As in The celebration of Christ Birthday.
Lets see now… was I born on my birthday or was my birthday started the day I was born????

What do you mean was Christ Born on Christmas???????????? WTF are you talking about???

Considering that the christians hijacked the winter solstice celebration from the pagans before them, to celebrate christ's birthday, they should be excepting of whatever we want to call the holiday as long as they get to keep it.

I don’t see the point of arguing what day or month Jesus was born on/in. The point is that his birth is celebrated. Also this X-MASS thing is a blatant back handed attempt to take Christ name out of the holiday. So if you respect the profit/ Savior of the world… I think it would be nice to include his name in his birthday celebration title.

This is true Britty, but keep in mind that I don't believe that the Bible is the word of God. I do believe that the Bible is full of lies. But since I don't believe it is the word of God, then it doesn't follow that God is a liar.

I think Tribo makes a serious error when he entitled this thread, "Is God a Liar?".

I'm sure he meant to ask, "Is the biblical God a liar?"

I think by not qualifiying his question he was inadvertently treating the biblical description of God as the "only" valid description of God.

I personally don't believe that it is a valid description of God. Therefore the Bible can be chuck full of lies and that doesn't reflect on our creator at all.

Ok reborns- I get it now. Yes, I think a lot of these TV preachers are full of dog crap. I think if God talked to them directly they would fall apart.

"God told me that you need to send the Reverend Reflow Dollar a GRAND$ BECAUSE HE NEEDS SOME 20 INCH RIMS ON HIS NEW NAVAGATOR." Praise Jesus." Dont trust'em dont trust'em.

TRY TO TAKE IT AWAY FROM ME AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS !!!

No thnx eljay,

I'm not looking for answers from you personally, i know you say it's because of where each individual is at in their experience, and quickstepper thinks it's mans fault and that Christians who steal yet claim they are christians are not.

I'm talking to those who say they are mature in gods word and talk to him and he answers them clearly as to what may be either asked of him, or the spirits telling them things - whatever they may be.

Jesus states in john 16:13 that he will send the spirit of truth to them the disciples so that they will know "all" that Jesus said and therefore be able to pass it on. but today or even since then i see no one doing so. I see people claiming to talk with god through the indwelling spirit but not everyone. And not just here but on TV. you know that.

So all I'm proposing is that if they do - to ask for me why the spirit is evidently not telling everyone the same thing and therefore dividing his own body of believers? I don't understand why there are so many different sect of Christians if its all the same teachings and truths and especially those who claim to be getting it straight from the infinite horses mouth so to say.

There is something wrong Larry, god promises that your to have the spirit of "THE TRUTH" and yet there are pieces of Christ body strewn everywhere spouting varied so called truths and this ought not be so agreed?

So what i would like is for those who say they talk with Jesus through his spirit and communicate back and forth either in there mind or audibly or by telepathy, to ask the HS why he did not do what Jesus said he would do and keep his body united.

now i again say - I'm not looking for bible verses, or theology or dogma - I'm looking for a direct response from Jesus/holy spirit in plain language as to why this is so. i do not want a debate or any maybe's or mights' i want an answer from the holy spirit that for each of you that say you have might give me. if this includes you and you talk with god daily then you may give me his answer also, no problem.

Now i don't think this is unfair because those here and even other's on TV daily claim that god spoke or speaks to them, so really all I'm asking is for an explanation from him the HS as to why he's not done his job if with no one else than those he knows are his not the countless ones who he does not consider his and does not talk to - just the ones that he does talk to - OK?


But just so i know it's him and not one of you trying to act like you think he would or speak like you think he would - if you could just ask him to address me by my legal name or my dads nick name for me or both that would seal the deal ok? that would be proof enough for me that it is him giving the answer.

so until then i will be waiting, and thnx in advance holy spirit.

sincerely, hmmm? - you know who, right HS??

This is true Britty, but keep in mind that I don't believe that the Bible is the word of God. I do believe that the Bible is full of lies. But since I don't believe it is the word of God, then it doesn't follow that God is a liar.

I think Tribo makes a serious error when he entitled this thread, "Is God a Liar?".

I'm sure he meant to ask, "Is the biblical God a liar?"

I think by not qualifiying his question he was inadvertently treating the biblical description of God as the "only" valid description of God.

I personally don't believe that it is a valid description of God. Therefore the Bible can be chuck full of lies and that doesn't reflect on our creator at all.

You are of course ASSUMING that the Bible tells us to celebrate His birth. It does not. Nor does it state that Dec. 25th was His birth date. That is a bold face LIE.

Since there is no birth date given, and we are not instructed to celebrate the birthday of the MESSIAH, at any point or any where in the Bible. I am not showing any disrespect. I KNOW who I worship, do you?


I tell you the TRUTH, you would fair much better to sit down and
take the time to study, do some research. Stop believing the LIES. However if you insist on Dec 25th being the MESSIAH'S birth please provide the Scripture to back it up.

Thank you
Shalom!

Well - it is difficult to honor your request without using scripture, for it also says clearly in the scripture that "the Holy spirit does not speak for himself" - which is what you are asking him to do. Therefore, if it something that the Spirit does not do - how could you demand that He show evidence of Himself by doing so? You are asking Him to contradict himself - which would be proof that He's NOT the Spirit to whom you seek answers from.

This is like gunning your car while it's up on Jacks. You can spin the wheels all you want - but you're not going any where.

I'm in total agreement with you Sharpshooter. However, many so-called "Christians" on this forum refuse to allow for that. They claim that only through a belief and acceptance of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior can a person be 'saved'.

I would actually love to teach the teachings of Jesus as I understand them. My understand of Jesus is pure love. And it is also my understanding that Jesus himself said (according to John) that even he himself will not judge non-believers even AFTER they have heard his words yet do not believe.

Here's Jesus own words according to the gospel of John:

Jesus (paraphrased by John): "And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world."

Clearly Jesus himself is saying that it is not important to believe in him, and that he will not judge those who do not.

Christians have argued that then Jesus goes on to claim that the Father will judge them! In other words, they claim that if the Son don't get you the Father will! They are very adamant about demanding that non-believers be judged harshly, if not by Jesus then by the Father.

However, according to the gospel of John Jesus also said the following:

Jesus (paraphrased by John): "For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son"

So here Jesus himself is denying what many Christians seem to be demanding. (i.e. that the Father will judge those who Jesus doesn't).

Of course once it deteriorates into arguments over verses and the meaning of versus then it becomes a battle of words and looses any spiritual meaning.

The problem is that I can't very well teach the love of Jesus using what Jesus taught (that it's not important to believe in him), without being stoned to death by the Fundamentalists who want to use Jesus as an egotistical weapon to denounce non-believers.

So the Fundamentalist have crucified Jesus all over again metaphorically and refuse to allow his love of mankind to taught. They prefer to used his words to support bigotry and hatred toward non-believers.



The problem with this is that Christianity (the entire story of Jesus) came from the Bible. Period.

There is no other reason to even believe in Jesus outside of believing in the Bible. Therefore the entire religion necessarily reduces to an argument over the meaning of doctrine. Just like I illustrated above. How can we claim to "know Jesus" outside of what was written about him?

The Jesus I "know" is all about being brotherly love, forgiveness, and being non-judgmental of other men.

However, the Jesus that the Christian fundamentalists claim to "know" is all about brotherly hate, no forgiveness for non-believers, and total and complete bigoted judgment against non-believers.

They "know" a completely different Jesus that I "know". Yet we both can only "know" Jesus through reading the gospels. So our interpretation of the gospels is paramount.

Christianity is a belief in a doctrine. It can't be separated from that. That's truly all that it is. It has nothing beyond that, other than claims that the Holy Spirit supposedly speaks to the people who read the book.

Well, when I read the book I see a Jesus who was all about love, forgiveness, and being non-judgmental.

When Christian fundamentalists read the book they see a Jesus who was all about hate, non-forgiveness and completely and total rejection of all non-believers. They see an extremely bigoted Jesus.

But ultimate it all comes down to the doctrine. That's all there is. There is nothing beyond the doctrine.

The idea that the Holy Spirit can speak to us is a lie, because the Bigoted Christians won't allow for that.

Anyone who tries to actually preach brotherly love, forgiveness, and being non-judgmental in the name of Jesus will instantly be labeled a heathen and a non-believer.

Because what they have come to believe is that it's important to recognize that Jesus is God. So anyone who teaches that this is unimportant is branded a heathen and therefore is not permitted to speak of Jesus. They will be metaphorically stoned to death and crucified right along side of Jesus.

So it's impossible to teach the love of Jesus as long as the Christian Fundamentalists believe they own him and can use him to support their bigotry and hatred against non-believers.

Considering that the christians hijacked the winter solstice celebration from the pagans before them, to celebrate christ's birthday, they should be excepting of whatever we want to call the holiday as long as they get to keep it.

Well - it is difficult to honor your request without using scripture, for it also says clearly in the scripture that "the Holy spirit does not speak for himself" - which is what you are asking him to do. Therefore, if it something that the Spirit does not do - how could you demand that He show evidence of Himself by doing so? You are asking Him to contradict himself - which would be proof that He's NOT the Spirit to whom you seek answers from.

This is like gunning your car while it's up on Jacks. You can spin the wheels all you want - but you're not going any where.

I'm scared of those things...maybe I am scared of God?HMMMMM....lol

I think the celebration needs to be allowed to be whatever a person wants it to be since there is no real "owner".