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hinkypoepoe
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Last time I checked it said CHRISTMASS on U.S. calendars. You get Christmas off not krishnaday off in December. Christmas and Easter are recognized by Federal, Sate and Local governments in the U.S.A. So no leg for you to stand on. Hey the pagans got Halloween right. At least Jesus loves us enough to give us the day off. Haaa Haaaa!!!! My mistake. I was under the impression that you were a Bible believing individual. You do as the Federal, state & Local government commands you, and as for me and my house I'll will stick to what the Bible says. Shalom! Yeh right…Please . Do you actually read these post or do you just make it up as you go. I was talking about Christmas being a recognized holiday by more than just Christians. Even Jews recognize Jesus as a Profit. Yes, I am reading what you have posted. However it doesn't make any sense. A TRUE Christian does not acknowledge xmas. A TRUE Christian KNOWS that xmas is of pagan origin. Dec 25th has nothing to do with the Messiah, it is a pagan festival. You are fighting for your right to celebrate a pagan festival. Do you understand? Yes it's true Jews always recognize a profit. However most Jews do not consider the Messiah a Prophet. Shalom. I don’t know what x-mass is but CHRIST-Mass is the celebration of Christ birth. What you have stated is NOT BIBLICAL. It is tradition. Plain and simple. Shalom. So what???!! You think its a bad thing to celebrate Gods Son's Birthday??????????? Next year I don’t think anyone should celebrate your birthday.. It's a nice gesture that says “Hey, Lord thanks for sending you son to save our sorry rear ends and thank you Jesus.” And you think this is a bad thing????????WHAT???WHAT ARE YOU SAYING????????? |
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Edited by
tribo
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Mon 08/25/08 02:21 PM
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Well - it is difficult to honor your request without using scripture, for it also says clearly in the scripture that "the Holy spirit does not speak for himself" - which is what you are asking him to do. Therefore, if it something that the Spirit does not do - how could you demand that He show evidence of Himself by doing so? You are asking Him to contradict himself - which would be proof that He's NOT the Spirit to whom you seek answers from.
This is like gunning your car while it's up on Jacks. You can spin the wheels all you want - but you're not going any where. Where in the Bible does it say that the Holy Spirit does not speak for himself? Is that not a contradiction to what Born again Christians have been saying here on this forum? Did they not proclaim that the Holy spirit speaks to them and they they alone know truth because of this? Now I am confused. Does the Bible contradict itself or is someone misinterpreting it? JB Jeannie; The reference is John 16: 13a "He will not speak on his own..." But to get a clear picture of the context of this verse I would suggest you read From John 14:1 until the end of chapter 15. That is - if your more interested in what is actually written than what everybody has been claiming it say. It has not been the Christians on the forum who have been claiming what the bible says about the Holy Spirit - but it's been Abra, Tribo, and others. As far as I know - the "born agains" claim the H.S. will lead one to the truth. That is what they SHOULD be saying, because that is what is stated in the text. Clearly Jeannie - there is so much mis-interpretation of what the bible says, that I couldn't tell you who's read it and who hasn't. With a few exceptions - on both sides of the argument. However, I think I could say with acuracy that for most of those who say they've read it - it's been years since they've done so, and they only read those passages which support their Pretext. Isn't this obvious to you as well? sorry you think that of me eljay, but i forgive you - 
now to the point whether you read from 14-1 or not, chpts 14,15,16 state the same things said by christ. 14-14: and if ye ask anything in my name i will do it 14:17-even the "spirit of truth" etc 15:7- ye shall ask what you want and it shall be done unto you 16:13-how be it when the spirit of truth come he will "guide you in all truth" etc and on. so it is not a matter of taking something out of context eljay - these are christ words! Now, if you raise the audience revelence as to being the apostles, your correct -tell me then, was these things said for them only or for all that followed even today? if your response is only to them of that day and not now then i will discontinue with my quest. If not- and you say it's revelent for all today and forever, than my questions stand! If you answer that it was only for the deciples then i will go to pauls writings and find the verses there of the holy spirit and truth, makes no diff. to me. I would like an answer eljay? if not from you tyhen the others who claim that they speak to god and his spirit. simple qusetions i ask in my original post. but i would like it from god, not you but the holy spirit.
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The Church Of The SubGenius is an order of Scoffers and Blasphemers, dedicated to Total Slack, delving into Mockery Science, Sadofuturistics, Megaphysics, Scatalography, Schizophreniatrics, Morealism, Sarcastrophy, Cynisacreligion, Apocolyptionomy, ESPectorationalism, Hypno-Pediatrics, Subliminalism, Satyriology, Disto-Utopianity, Sardonicology, Fascetiouism, Ridiculophagy, and Miscellatheistic Theology. there's already enough posted here about christianity monkey no more please - 
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Last time I checked it said CHRISTMASS on U.S. calendars. You get Christmas off not krishnaday off in December. Christmas and Easter are recognized by Federal, Sate and Local governments in the U.S.A. So no leg for you to stand on. Hey the pagans got Halloween right. At least Jesus loves us enough to give us the day off. Haaa Haaaa!!!! My mistake. I was under the impression that you were a Bible believing individual. You do as the Federal, state & Local government commands you, and as for me and my house I'll will stick to what the Bible says. Shalom! Yeh right…Please . Do you actually read these post or do you just make it up as you go. I was talking about Christmas being a recognized holiday by more than just Christians. Even Jews recognize Jesus as a Profit. Yes, I am reading what you have posted. However it doesn't make any sense. A TRUE Christian does not acknowledge xmas. A TRUE Christian KNOWS that xmas is of pagan origin. Dec 25th has nothing to do with the Messiah, it is a pagan festival. You are fighting for your right to celebrate a pagan festival. Do you understand? Yes it's true Jews always recognize a profit. However most Jews do not consider the Messiah a Prophet. Shalom. I don’t know what x-mass is but CHRIST-Mass is the celebration of Christ birth. What you have stated is NOT BIBLICAL. It is tradition. Plain and simple. Shalom. So what???!! You think its a bad thing to celebrate Gods Son's Birthday??????????? Next year I don’t think anyone should celebrate your birthday... It's a nice gesture that says “Hey, Lord thanks for sending you son to save our sorry rear ends and thank you Jesus.” And you think this is a bad thing????????WHAT???WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?????????  Your antics are very amusing. Keep your tradition, (yawn) knock yourself out with it, I'll stick to what the Bible says.
Shalom! |
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Eljay wrote:
It has not been the Christians on the forum who have been claiming what the bible says about the Holy Spirit Oh but that's not true Eljay. It most certainly has been "Christians" who have been claiming that those who do not accept that Jesus is God are rejecting God. All responses by non-believers are ultimately a defensive response to that erroneous claim. That is the accusation that is ultimately being challenged by non-believers. As soon as Christian climb down off their holier-than-thou view that they are on "God's side" and non-believers are "against God" then there would no longer be a problem. To doubt the bible is not the same as rejecting God. Period. And the only reference I made to the scriptures was on that single point that even the main prophet of the Bible, Jesus Christ himself, does not support the Christian view! Christianity has become a train-wreck of a religion. It preaches things that don't even agree with it's own doctrine. That completely sums it all up in a nutshell Abra. If Christians and other religious fanatics would cease the thinking that anyone who questions their authority or their Bible's authority or their God's authority over everything then there would be no problems at all. I say that I am my own authority and that robs them of their power over me. Especially preachers. They lord over their congregations as spokesmen for the final authority, God, and this gives them power over the people. People ask me, "WHO ARE YOU TO QUESTION GOD?" I am me that's who. Ask and it is given ... that's the law of creativity. It is the Law of Attraction. I am me, and I am my own authority. I will make decisions based on my own heart and conscience, not on some false concept of right and wrong by some false idea of God by man. JB |
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All Christians should remember the lessons of Romans 14. There is no reason for us to argue over dogma unless that dogma encourages sin. For some Christians there are holy days during the week or during the year. For other Christians, all days are the same. But we are all responsible to the same Lord and Judge, so we should allow him to Judge our actions and instead try to support and love one another.
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Well I guess it’s partly been adopted by Christianity though as well. Easter Sunday. But the same thing happened with Yule becoming Christmas. It’s happened with several holidays in fact. They are all excuses to party.  I would imagine Yule for the ancient Pagans well before the advent of Christendom, would enjoy a big celebration to get through the paralyzing cold of winter.
Your wrong again, as usual. The entire thing came from the Hebrews who were around since the beginings of recorded history.
Actually I've got news for you about your ancient Hebrews. The Hebrew Goddess is a 1967 book by Jewish historian and anthropologist Raphael Patai. In this book, Patai argues that the Jewish religion historically had elements of polytheism, especially the worship of goddesses and a cult of the mother goddess. The book supports the theory through the interpretation of archaeological and textual sources as evidence for veneration of feminine beings. Hebrew "goddesses" identified in the book include Asherah, Anath, Astarte, Ashima, the cherubim in Solomon's Temple, the Matronit (Shekhina), and the personified Shabbat Bride. The later editions of the book were expanded to include recent archaeological discoveries and the rituals of unification (Yichudim) which are to unite God with his Shekinah. You were saying Pagans made it all up. I clarifed that it was the ancient Hebrews that began these holidays for their religious oberservances. So your wrong again.
Mirror, Pagan as defined as NOT CHRISTIAN in origin. This would have been the basis for human spirituality dating as far back as the Neolithic. I just showed you that the ancient Hebrew were in fact practitioners of polytheism and a spirituality that embraced the feminine and according to this book, written by a historian and anthropologist, venerated the Earth. I’m attempting to demonstrate to you that even your Hebrews, who you associate with Monotheism and the advent of Christianity, were in fact not practicing this religion for the bulk of their existence. By the way, the Neolithic predates even the Hebrews. |
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Edited by
tribo
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Mon 08/25/08 02:53 PM
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goddess worship 30,000 yrs ago - venus off willindorf - buy some peanuts and bone up monkey
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Mon 08/25/08 03:04 PM
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Tribo.......the common nickname for Sam is Sammy.....but even if someone Did "guess" your pa's nickname for you , doesn't mean it is the Holy Spirit speaking......cause there is also something called a "familiar spirit", that "imitates" the Holy Spirit, and does not come from God .
Google it.... and learn to be careful who you ask for such answers like that.. cause you open yourself up to the wrong spirt,and are open to lies and deception. Tribo....God thru His Holy Spirit is not going to reveal personal stuff like that on an internet to you....a lot of so called false prophets operate just like that....telling you personal info about you...like for instance, telling you how many dollars are in your wallet ....or the name of your pet when you were 5 years old.....and this personal info does NOTHING to glorify God, but to only make a false prophet look real, and therefore lead foolish people with itching ears,astray. Tribo...You want to know why there is devision among christians? That is the enemy's tactic to keep the Word of God from going forth. Simple. Cause the enemy knows if the Word of God reached every man's heart, the world would already be won to Christ. But God is not worried. He is still in control..and He is patient..and allows all, including christians at different levels in their walk.... to fully come to the full Truth.
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How nice. You must have went to Church yesterday and been forgiven and revived.
In your opinion J.B.-----------How should a person deal with sin?
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All Christians should remember the lessons of Romans 14. There is no reason for us to argue over dogma unless that dogma encourages sin. For some Christians there are holy days during the week or during the year. For other Christians, all days are the same. But we are all responsible to the same Lord and Judge, so we should allow him to Judge our actions and instead try to support and love one another.
Agree.
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Edited by
MirrorMirror
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Mon 08/25/08 03:22 PM
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Well I guess it’s partly been adopted by Christianity though as well. Easter Sunday. But the same thing happened with Yule becoming Christmas. It’s happened with several holidays in fact. They are all excuses to party. I would imagine Yule for the ancient Pagans well before the advent of Christendom, would enjoy a big celebration to get through the paralyzing cold of winter.
Your wrong again, as usual. The entire thing came from the Hebrews who were around since the beginings of recorded history.
Actually I've got news for you about your ancient Hebrews. The Hebrew Goddess is a 1967 book by Jewish historian and anthropologist Raphael Patai. In this book, Patai argues that the Jewish religion historically had elements of polytheism, especially the worship of goddesses and a cult of the mother goddess. The book supports the theory through the interpretation of archaeological and textual sources as evidence for veneration of feminine beings. Hebrew "goddesses" identified in the book include Asherah, Anath, Astarte, Ashima, the cherubim in Solomon's Temple, the Matronit (Shekhina), and the personified Shabbat Bride. The later editions of the book were expanded to include recent archaeological discoveries and the rituals of unification (Yichudim) which are to unite God with his Shekinah. You were saying Pagans made it all up. I clarifed that it was the ancient Hebrews that began these holidays for their religious oberservances. So your wrong again.
Mirror, Pagan as defined as NOT CHRISTIAN in origin. This would have been the basis for human spirituality dating as far back as the Neolithic. I just showed you that the ancient Hebrew were in fact practitioners of polytheism and a spirituality that embraced the feminine and according to this book, written by a historian and anthropologist, venerated the Earth. I’m attempting to demonstrate to you that even your Hebrews, who you associate with Monotheism and the advent of Christianity, were in fact not practicing this religion for the bulk of their existence. By the way, the Neolithic predates even the Hebrews. #1.Pagan is NOT defined as "not Christian" in origin.(I dont know what the heck your talking about. It makes no sense.) #2.Theres is no evidence that "this" is the basis for "human spirituallity"(Whatever that is) #3.You didnt show me anything, and I dont know what your talking about "feminine polytheism".(Never heard of such a thing). #4."venerating the earth"? (More gibberish) #5. Neolithic? (Not sure how you know that.)(Not sure that it matters either.) #6.As far as I can tell none of this has anything to do with all that gibberish about stolen holidays you were talking about. |
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How nice. You must have went to Church yesterday and been forgiven and revived.
In your opinion J.B.-----------How should a person deal with sin?
I don't understand the question Mirror. JB |
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MS SAYS Tribo.......the common nickname for Sam is Sammy.....but even if someone Did "quess" your pa's nickname for you , doesn't mean it is the Holy Spirit speaking......cause there is something called a "familiar spirit" that "imitates" the Holy Sprit, and does not come from God . Tribo replies: Thnx MS, i already knew that loooooong time ago. and no it wasn't sammy but nice try. i want the info from god not anyone here - ok? no more talk of things off topic, if you talk to god and he talks to you then ask him to tell you so you can tell me ok? i'm not looking for a guessing game to emerge - just want the spirit of truth/gods spirit to tell me ok? Google it.... and learn to be careful who you ask for such answers like that.. cause you open yourself up to the wrong spirt,and are open to lies and deception. Tribo....God thru His Holy Spirit is not going to reveal personal stuff like that on an internet to you....a lot of so called false prophets operate like that....telling yuo personal info about you..like for instance, how many dollars are in your wallet ....or the name of yuor pet when yuuo werer 5 year old.....and this personal info does NOTHING to glorify God, but to only make a false prophet lead foolish people with itching ears,astray. tribo replies: Fine MS< then you can ask god for the answer and private mail me that weill do just fine thnx.
ms, Tribo...You want to know why there is devision among christians? That is the enemy's tactic to keep the Word of God from going forth. Simple. i wish it were that simple MS, but your stating that the enemy has more power than gods spirit or even god are you not? MS: Cause the enemy knows if the Word of God reached every man's heart, the world would already be won to Christ. tribo replies: And god winning every one to christ in your opinion would be a bad thing why? Why is he allowing the enemy to run slipshod over his plan or desire? MS: But God is not worried. He is still in control..and He is patient..and allows all, including christians at different levels in their walk.... to fully come to the full truth. TRIBO REPLIES: define - fully coming to the full truth please? The holy spirit was given in his fullness at the beginnig of pentecost my lady, what happened? who is the enemy that can stop the creators spirit from giving everyone all of the truth and why was he able to at the beginning and not now? |
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Edited by
MirrorMirror
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Mon 08/25/08 03:25 PM
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goddess worship 30,000 yrs ago - venus off willindorf - buy some peanuts and bone up monkey
 Im sorry Tribo. I don't fall for comic book mythology
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Edited by
MirrorMirror
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Mon 08/25/08 03:29 PM
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How nice. You must have went to Church yesterday and been forgiven and revived.
In your opinion J.B.-----------How should a person deal with sin?
I don't understand the question Mirror. JB According to your personal belief system, what is the proper way to deal with sin? OR how does one reconcile with ultimate reality? All belief systems have some form of this. What is your way of doing this?
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All Christians should remember the lessons of Romans 14. There is no reason for us to argue over dogma unless that dogma encourages sin. For some Christians there are holy days during the week or during the year. For other Christians, all days are the same. But we are all responsible to the same Lord and Judge, so we should allow him to Judge our actions and instead try to support and love one another.
Thank you spider!!! No truer words are spoken these days.
Peace & God blessings.... |
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How nice. You must have went to Church yesterday and been forgiven and revived.
In your opinion J.B.-----------How should a person deal with sin?
I don't understand the question Mirror. JB According to your personal belief system, what is the proper way to deal with sin? OR how does one reconcile with ultimate reality? All belief systems have some form of this. What is your way of doing this?
im not positive MM, but i think part of her ceremonies is offering monkey sacrifices each day - you up for it -
you've know JB for how long? and you ask her this? she don't believe in sin. |
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goddess worship 30,000 yrs ago - venus off willindorf - buy some peanuts and bone up monkey
Im sorry Tribo. I don't fall for comic book mythology
Yet you quote L.ron hubbard??? -
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How nice. You must have went to Church yesterday and been forgiven and revived.
In your opinion J.B.-----------How should a person deal with sin?
I don't understand the question Mirror. JB According to your personal belief system, what is the proper way to deal with sin? OR how does one reconcile with ultimate reality? All belief systems have some form of this. What is your way of doing this?
The word "sin" is only defined within religious doctrine Mirror. It basically means disobedience to God. The word "sin" has no meaning outside of religious doctrine, hence it has no meaning to me. "Wrong thinking" and "Wrong action" are things that some might relate to that which you refer to as "sin." These things are dealt with according to the automatic laws of cause and effect and the Law of Attraction. (What goes around comes around. You live by the sword, you die by the sword. You make your own bed, you have to lay in it. ) That sort of thing. Some call it Karma. It is an automatic law. I don't have to deal with it, I just need to understand it. JB |
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