Yet you quote L.ron hubbard??? -

L. Ron Hubbard was a Christian I do believe.

The word "sin" is only defined within religious doctrine Mirror. It basically means disobedience to God. The word "sin" has no meaning outside of religious doctrine, hence it has no meaning to me.

"Wrong thinking" and "Wrong action" are things that some might relate to that which you refer to as "sin."

These things are dealt with according to the automatic laws of cause and effect and the Law of Attraction.

(What goes around comes around. You live by the sword, you die by the sword. You make your own bed, you have to lay in it. )

That sort of thing.

Some call it Karma. It is an automatic law.

I don't have to deal with it, I just need to understand it.

JB

Yet you quote L.ron hubbard??? -

L. Ron Hubbard was a Christian I do believe.

Actually, I have several questions How do you reconcile with "the truth"? This is what I mean. How (in your personal belief system) does one attain salvation? Reunion with ultimate reality. Do you believe in fundamental accountability for ones actions or is it an artificial construct of our society?

I was just kidding. I don't think the ouija boards talk to anything except the subconscious and possibly lost spirits, but they don't talk to the supreme creator.

JB

im sure his pupil will tell you for sure krimsa, mirrors a deevoteeeee

Truth is information and experience. All information is just data.

Right and wrong are personal judgments, likes and dislikes, opinions.

Salvation is attained by self realization. Know thyself.

Total freedom requires total responsibility.

You are accountable for your actions and your thoughts. If you don't learn from your mistakes you will be destined to repeat them.

You are accountable for your personal reality.

JB

P.S.

Reality is self.

hmm? stupid? ok, i thought maybe someone might say ignorant - but stupid? were all ignorant of things thats a common flaw of mankind as a whole, stupid on the other hand is a whole other topic.

God and jesus have no more to do now then they ever have, you limit your god's ability to handle and be in control in an infinite manner by making such a "Stupid" statement as you have made.

as to the rest of your reply which is totally off topic to begin with, your gods a trivial god so i see where there should be no conflict there in any way?

I know it's not going to happen - neither you, or any of the rest can or will answer it, the question is for those who say they speak to god and god answers them back quite frequently with answers they ask, to do the same to the awnswers i have asked them to ask for me since i dont have this god to talk to. very simple request - that evidentally no one is coming forth to do? I wonder why? hmmm??? Tempting god? i think not - it's sincere questions i ask, but as usual everything posted goes way of course. i just may have the moderators delete all the crap that does not address the original post, huh?

So (in your personal belief system)reconciliation with the "ultimate reality" ("the truth") is attained thru self realization? How does one go thru this process of self realization? And I take it that your belief is that we are accountable to "Karma"?

Oh but that's not true Eljay.

It most certainly has been "Christians" who have been claiming that those who do not accept that Jesus is God are rejecting God.

All responses by non-believers are ultimately a defensive response to that erroneous claim.

That is the accusation that is ultimately being challenged by non-believers.

As soon as Christian climb down off their holier-than-thou view that they are on "God's side" and non-believers are "against God" then there would no longer be a problem.

To doubt the bible is not the same as rejecting God.

Period.

And the only reference I made to the scriptures was on that single point that even the main prophet of the Bible, Jesus Christ himself, does not support the Christian view!

Christianity has become a train-wreck of a religion. It preaches things that don't even agree with it's own doctrine.

The ultimate reality is self, as all is one. Once you realize self you realize the ultimate reality.

We are ultimately accountable to self.

We currently live with limited awareness in a self created environment created for the incubation of life forms in which we have life and individualized experiences.

The law of cause and effect, Law of Karma, Law of Attraction, is a self created law which serves as the rules of the game we are currently engaged in.

We are many, but we are still one.

JB

okay thanks Jeanniebean

sorry you think that of me eljay, but i forgive you -

now to the point whether you read from 14-1 or not, chpts 14,15,16 state the same things said by christ. 14-14: and if ye ask anything in my name i will do it
14:17-even the "spirit of truth" etc
15:7- ye shall ask what you want and it shall be done unto you
16:13-how be it when the spirit of truth come he will "guide you in all truth" etc and on.

so it is not a matter of taking something out of context eljay - these are christ words!

Now, if you raise the audience revelence as to being the apostles, your correct -tell me then, was these things said for them only or for all that followed even today? if your response is only to them of that day and not now then i will discontinue with my quest. If not- and you say it's revelent for all today and forever, than my questions stand!

If you answer that it was only for the deciples then i will go to pauls writings and find the verses there of the holy spirit and truth, makes no diff. to me.

I would like an answer eljay? if not from you tyhen the others who claim that they speak to god and his spirit. simple qusetions i ask in my original post. but i would like it from god, not you but the holy spirit.

L. Ron Hubbard was a Christian I do believe.

Im not sure how faithful those apostles were exactly. Especially Judas. That guy would have been shanked in a heartbeat in prison.

Thank you spider!!!

No truer words are spoken these days.

Peace & God blessings....