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Topic: Let's Try This Again
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Tue 08/12/08 08:00 PM



on a closer look it seems the "micro-raptor" is the best bet for a transitional reptile to bird scenario [as to feathers] - but it still doesn't answer the question of how a "cold blooded" reptile - turns into a "warm-blooded" animal like the bird able to withstand even Artic temps.? It's like if they get one piece to fit another still doesn't? So again i remain a skeptic as to evolution. to much to find out about yet.

I'll stick to my original premise that man came here from somewhere else and has devolved - not evolved.flowerforyou


Actually there is no proof that raptors were cold blooded or that even dinosaurs were. People assume that since snakes and alligators are "cold blooded" that all reptilian creatures were.

JB


as far as i know goddess - all reptiles today are cold blooded even the komodo dragon which is the closet thing we have to a dinosaur so to say. but i agree - no one knows for sure or ever will, unless they reconstruct a dna clone of one in the future.


The reptilian DNA is present in all warm blooded animals to include humans.

Birds are warm blooded. Maybe raptors were too. Who says they were "reptiles" anyway?

Did you ever meet an iguana? A male iguana is attracted sexually to human females because of the smells they give off are similar to female iguanas. They will often become very possessive of their human owner of the opposite sex just as they would with a mate.

I won't go into the alien humanoids who also were attracted to human women and many women have reported being raped by these reptilian creatures. I don't know if they are cold or warm blooded, but I am guessing they are warm blooded.

Just stories though..... no proof.

JB

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Tue 08/12/08 08:27 PM
I have a question?

In the bible, after Genesis, was god DONE creating? Was the end of genesis the end of gods creating on earth?

PLEASE someone, show me in the bible that either god continued to 'create' or that god was DONE 'creating'.

Then I will tell you why I ask....

tribo's photo
Tue 08/12/08 08:34 PM

I have a question?

In the bible, after Genesis, was god DONE creating? Was the end of genesis the end of gods creating on earth?

PLEASE someone, show me in the bible that either god continued to 'create' or that god was DONE 'creating'.

Then I will tell you why I ask....


as far as i know R, it says he created EVERYTHING in 6 days and then rested - which should have been translated: "ceased".

Redykeulous's photo
Tue 08/12/08 08:41 PM

I have a question?

In the bible, after Genesis, was god DONE creating? Was the end of genesis the end of gods creating on earth?

PLEASE someone, show me in the bible that either god continued to 'create' or that god was DONE 'creating'.

Then I will tell you why I ask....


Tribo
as far as i know R, it says he created EVERYTHING in 6 days and then rested - which should have been translated: "ceased".


Thanks Tribo

Feral - Wouldee what do you say?


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Tue 08/12/08 09:09 PM


I have a question?

In the bible, after Genesis, was god DONE creating? Was the end of genesis the end of gods creating on earth?

PLEASE someone, show me in the bible that either god continued to 'create' or that god was DONE 'creating'.

Then I will tell you why I ask....


as far as i know R, it says he created EVERYTHING in 6 days and then rested - which should have been translated: "ceased".



I guess he retired. laugh laugh laugh

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Tue 08/12/08 09:13 PM
it is still ticking right along, like a precision swiss clock, the timepiece of creation, right in front of the flock, red eyes glowing in the skys, galaxies unfolding as disguised, to eyes that see as pride, that hide the wisdom buried inside, open and gain eyes of sight, where nothing can hide........

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Tue 08/12/08 09:34 PM
Davidben wrote:

it is still ticking right along, like a precision swiss clock, the timepiece of creation, right in front of the flock, red eyes glowing in the skys, galaxies unfolding as disguised, to eyes that see as pride, that hide the wisdom buried inside, open and gain eyes of sight, where nothing can hide........


This is true. If God stopped creating why are new stars still forming and creating new solar systems?

Hmmm?

Cleary the universe is not human-centric.

That fact alone totally blows a human-centric idea of creation clean out of the water.

Why are we even discussing this ancient archaic nonsense?

Isn't there anything on anymore but "The Christian Channel?"

This is like watching old reruns of the Pat Roberson show.

Maybe Jimmy Swaggart will come back on and cry for a while.

Jeanniebean, have you seen the remote?

How do we change the channel on this stupid set?

It seems to be stuck in rut like a broken record.


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Tue 08/12/08 11:29 PM
Edited by davidben1 on Tue 08/12/08 11:40 PM
six days of creation, make 6000 thousand years, 4000 to 2000 make for the six, so by the time the clock stike 20-12, all will have been taught how to muse, for the seventh day of rest is even begun, no need to hurry, no need for fright, as mr bellomy has the rights, and a thousand years of wisdom and peace, they now take flight, as new powers are practiced happily, and all are smiling and free, and people like childen they run and play, as there is no night and there is no day, as the sun has fallen from the sky, and the stars do not shine, but no need to weep, as the light now needs no sleep, for the drama is over, as the reaper is now the sower, and as each seventh day is erased, for the next layer of the new earth, by the flood for renewal of life, all is but erased, for new seeking minds to face, leaving only fragments each time, for our good scientists to find........

indeed the playbook was for each seven day cycle, and all is the same, and the lives within the book are characters of the play, that never change or fade away, and each new cycle walk the same path, saying the same words and doing the same things, and when all have passed thru, the slowed time machine, all exit at the end of the seventh day, each having now wisdom, no serpents in sight, to handle the power of intent and might, as hands create without touch, all begin as creators, a new galaxie each all their own, oh how all love so much........

no mortal is brought from time in just a mere moment, as this would cause fright, and there is preperation and explaining, teaching all how not to fight, as nothing of wisdom is done in haste, but with precision and sight, teaching infinity with no more right, with time oh plenty to waste..........

at the ending of the seventh day, all are disperced to their place, repopulating as gods the human race, and offspring are again sent to earth, to gather experience of comparisons and hurt, for logic and reasoning to make sight, and for six long days, suffering and crying can be heard, but pain turned to wisdom at the end of the sixth, leave each no longer weak or sick, and each seventh day of rest, is a reunion of meet and greet, explaining of each glory and feat, of all the characters, of the past 6000 years, and the grand surprise, is like no mind can surmize, so face the wind, and embrace the plight, as the day is at hand, for time to take flight...........

how many cycles have there been, not one know yet, not a man in the land, but the one that come, that show the bizarre, has the power of proof, and we finally know, who we are.......

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Wed 08/13/08 12:09 AM

I have a question?

In the bible, after Genesis, was god DONE creating? Was the end of genesis the end of gods creating on earth?

PLEASE someone, show me in the bible that either god continued to 'create' or that god was DONE 'creating'.

Then I will tell you why I ask....


God CREATED and Finished in six days... and rested on the seventh day.....

but what God Created, CONTINUES to REPRODUCE AFTER ITS OWN KIND.

flowerforyou

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Wed 08/13/08 05:48 AM
Edited by Krimsa on Wed 08/13/08 05:58 AM
So let me get this straight, god created all initially, fully formed, but then it was up to these animals and humans to continue forth and multiply on their own? So god had a hand in creating the "Tigon" or the "Liger"? These animals would never breed in their wild habitats yet they have been produced by humans in a captive environment. Tigers and lions would not even be exposed to each other in the wild. Lions live in large social groups called "prides" and tigers are solitary in nature.


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Wed 08/13/08 05:54 AM






Please show me.......

Mark 4: 24-25

24"Consider carefully what you hear," he continued. "With the measure you use, it will be measured to you—and even more. 25Whoever has will be given more; whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him."

But you left out the best one....what a shame

21He said to them, "Do you bring in a lamp to put it under a bowl or a bed? Instead, don't you put it on its stand? 22For whatever is hidden is meant to be disclosed, and whatever is concealed is meant to be brought out into the open. 23If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear."


I read this section and the first thing I thought was "Are you literally giving the evolutionist a foot to stand on?" Most people think that Christ was speaking only of the church in this text. I believe he was speaking to man in broader terms.

He was warning us to listen to the knowledge of our forefathers. That the collection of wisdom of the ages is important to learn and understand. I'm quite certain that, assuming he is God as people claim, Jesus had full knowledge of the scientific evidience that man would find in the future (this is what being omnipitant means). So if he is telling us not to hide knowledge, why is it so hard for Christians to accept that all knowledge comes from God?

What is so hard to understand that God only opens the eyes of the scientist so that he understands what God already knows? Do you think we could have this knowledge without him? Evolution does not fly in the face of Christianity. It is God's way of saying "yeah, that's how I did it."



Normally I wouldn't quote myself, but not a single one of those that are arguing that evolution doesn't exhist were willing to tackle this section of my post. Oh Wouldee got some laughs out of my dolphin and pterydactil section (your welcome) but this was left alone. Come on guys tear it apart.

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Wed 08/13/08 06:02 AM
Roaming Orator, it is my understanding that many modern Christians today will accept either some or all of the elements of Darwinism and the concept of human evolution. They might simply impart some of their beliefs in Creationism into the mix.

I posed that very question as to how this is handled amongst the Fundamentalist Christians and would they reject these members of their own flock and like you, this question was simply ignored and remained unaddressed.

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Wed 08/13/08 06:14 AM
Kirsma I think your right on that. It's the Christian equivalent to a "Catch-22." The cannot deny that all knowledge comes from God. I've actually heard a Christian say "God doesn't talk to people anymore," when trying to dodge that question. That was a big error.

I usually don't have scripture to back up the question, but Feral actually did a good job of providing it for me this time (thanks).

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Wed 08/13/08 06:21 AM
Edited by Krimsa on Wed 08/13/08 06:23 AM
It is kind of funny. It reminds me ya know of those little fish people put on the backs of their cars? You see them very often and presumably that driver is announcing their faith in Christianity unless I’m misinterpreting in some respect which is always a possibility.

Then later, we began to see the little fish with the legs in direct conflict with the fish body alone symbolizing that the driver of this particular vehicle believed in the legitimacy of Darwinism and/or evolution.

The other day I saw a car with the little fish on one side and the fish with legs on the other. laugh I would have loved to speak with this driver hybrid. Perhaps he or she was the next evolutionary step. At least in respect to their thought process. :tongue:

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Wed 08/13/08 06:52 AM

It is kind of funny. It reminds me ya know of those little fish people put on the backs of their cars? You see them very often and presumably that driver is announcing their faith in Christianity unless I’m misinterpreting in some respect which is always a possibility.

Then later, we began to see the little fish with the legs in direct conflict with the fish body alone symbolizing that the driver of this particular vehicle believed in the legitimacy of Darwinism and/or evolution.

The other day I saw a car with the little fish on one side and the fish with legs on the other. laugh I would have loved to speak with this driver hybrid. Perhaps he or she was the next evolutionary step. At least in respect to their thought process. :tongue:


I'm a practicing Catholic and when I was growing up my priest Father Jim was always stuck answering evolution questions. The problem he had was that he believed in evolution, but about 1/4 of his congregation was creationists. It was always interesting.bigsmile

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Wed 08/13/08 07:00 AM


I have a question?

In the bible, after Genesis, was god DONE creating? Was the end of genesis the end of gods creating on earth?

PLEASE someone, show me in the bible that either god continued to 'create' or that god was DONE 'creating'.

Then I will tell you why I ask....


Tribo
as far as i know R, it says he created EVERYTHING in 6 days and then rested - which should have been translated: "ceased".


Thanks Tribo

Feral - Wouldee what do you say?





I say hi, Redy.flowerforyou


day, wek, month year...that word in Hebrew is vague.

what is not vague, though, is the apparent metaphors and allegorical congruity of such depictions in light of the 'rest' offered in Jesus Christ.

Throughout the New Testament there is a saying... "of God in Christ".....the things of God in Christ" and such other with that necessary distinction.

There exists a rest to the people of God "in Christ".

for unbelief, they entered not into His rest.

On the seventh day he rested.

It cab be inferred and often is taught that with the literal is a figurative which is a type of, this or that, as lamb, lion, etc are types.

With each, there is another meaning, but not aswe would like to imaginatively import into one thing of our choosing from another, but according to the things of God, "in Christ".

Some say the mellineal reign is the seventh day. Perhaps, for a time to come. Some believe that he seventh day is "in Christ" and has been since the cross, and yet others hold that the seventh day is since Adam.

But as it cannot be viewed as just one singular thing being taught or revealed of God's own handiwork in creation, it also cannot mean that the seventh day is complete in Adam, since Christ came to fulfill the law and in Himself make a better covenant.

He is busy, then.

So, creation as we know it in the natural realm and as we observe in the earth is a finished work, according to the scriptures.

What constitutes a day to us in vaguely similar in the Hebrew word for day.

But such minutia is a distraction, apart from us entering into "His Rest". Which is certainly only about 2000 years old and aging.

But in that two thousand years, nothing has changed, materially, in creation.

I have seen in my hidden place in Christ, buried and risen with Him and indwelt as I am, with the Holy Spirit, many things since that time happened upon my person and remains upon me.
What I amy share of that is suspect to all, even the church at large in light of experiences hidden from natural view and from those not entered into the holy things of God and may very well not be believeable to any except witnesses of these events and others that are true but mysteriously unsubstantiated heresay to others.

So here goes...

I have seen God intervene in nature.

he speaks into existence in the blink of an eye and it as though it never was when that which manifests comes about and the witnerss or bearer of the intervention of God cannot distinguish the change. It just is. Immediately and irefuteably accomplished, finished, and silence accompanies the intervening change and it is as though the intervention wqas not, or that the need ministered to was not. After the fact, the need ministered to appears to one as being imaginary and as though it never was.

I have seen blind eyes see, literally.

I have seen time stand still, and repeat itself.

I have seen time be overcome and passed through a moment here and there.

I have seen things be as though they were not and thins that were as thoiugh they were not, in an instant.

So, when I reread that that God said, let there be light, I believe it, even the more.

When scripture declares that God spoke this creation, this earth, and all tat is in it into existence, through Christ, tthe Lic=vng Word of God, I believe it.

When it says once must be born again and be baptised in with the Holy Spoirit, which comes from God,in Christ, I, the more, do believe it.

Even more so than when I first believed.

But now I know.

And I trust God at His Word for all of His Word.

and even though I may not understand every word, it is true, nonetheless, as it is given and when the understanding of the knowledge of any word given by God is made clear to me, then I know all the more the truth of it.

But to limit God to display the meaning of His Word in only one way to me does not prevent God from explaining it yet again in abnother way to me.

Reason being that God gives us the greater understanding to plant wisdom in us to know assuredly that God's Word fills all things.


That explains everything to me as a finished work and the end is seen and known from the beginning in me, because of God in me but not because I am God. I am not. I am a man saved by grace through faith and that not of my own works but by the will of God and according to my obedience to receive the promises of God in Christ.

That explains nothing to you and I have accomplished to confirm nothing to you.

I have , though, given you my truthful testimony that God's word is true.

:heart:

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Wed 08/13/08 07:02 AM
I'm a catholic, and I believe in evolution as it regards to matter.
God took matter which already existed and gave it His breath of life (soul).
When matter (which already existed) and soul were united MAN as a transcendental being started living.
Soul which is God's breath of life is created individually, uniquely, and instantaneously at the time of conception. That is why we have a human life as early as in the moment of conception.
Therefore, to say that evolution as regards to matter (flesh, not spiritual) is not real is the same to say that the whole Universe was created in a 7-days period. Not much logic on it.

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Wed 08/13/08 07:11 AM







Please show me.......

Mark 4: 24-25

24"Consider carefully what you hear," he continued. "With the measure you use, it will be measured to you—and even more. 25Whoever has will be given more; whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him."

But you left out the best one....what a shame

21He said to them, "Do you bring in a lamp to put it under a bowl or a bed? Instead, don't you put it on its stand? 22For whatever is hidden is meant to be disclosed, and whatever is concealed is meant to be brought out into the open. 23If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear."


I read this section and the first thing I thought was "Are you literally giving the evolutionist a foot to stand on?" Most people think that Christ was speaking only of the church in this text. I believe he was speaking to man in broader terms.

He was warning us to listen to the knowledge of our forefathers. That the collection of wisdom of the ages is important to learn and understand. I'm quite certain that, assuming he is God as people claim, Jesus had full knowledge of the scientific evidience that man would find in the future (this is what being omnipitant means). So if he is telling us not to hide knowledge, why is it so hard for Christians to accept that all knowledge comes from God?

What is so hard to understand that God only opens the eyes of the scientist so that he understands what God already knows? Do you think we could have this knowledge without him? Evolution does not fly in the face of Christianity. It is God's way of saying "yeah, that's how I did it."



Normally I wouldn't quote myself, but not a single one of those that are arguing that evolution doesn't exhist were willing to tackle this section of my post. Oh Wouldee got some laughs out of my dolphin and pterydactil section (your welcome) but this was left alone. Come on guys tear it apart.



RO,

refer to my response to redy's inquiry.

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Wed 08/13/08 07:14 AM
This is a friendly reminder please keep to a debate style form. Do not attack or direct your responses towards another memebr.

We all have and opinion and we should get to speak our minds but when it comes to the point to attacking others those voices seem to get lost in the long run. Therefore no one hears what anyone is trying to say.

Yes some believe in God some don't all have there own theory of beliefs. And there is nothing wrong with that who is to say who is wrong and who is right? All we can do is discuss each other Theories and Analyze what others have found or how they see it.

But in the long run if it is not keep in a debate form and a civil manner then no one is right. For the words and thoughts of each are lost.

With that said please keep this to a debate.

Thank You
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Kristi

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Wed 08/13/08 07:20 AM
my ap;logies, Kristi, if that is directed to me regarding referring RO to another response by me.

It was easier than copy and pasting the response just above this latest one and answere his question in so doing.

it did not slander or wound or slight or insult or gossip or offend.

Perhpas I am mistaken.

Perhaps you are not referring to my post.


I cannot be sure.

Thank you,
Rich

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