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so if you have to "pay" for the consequence... then how is it "Free".
"Paying" for the consequences of your actions is part of the law of cause and effect that states for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. This is true down to the quantum level. It has nothing to do with the will and your freedom to direct where your thoughts and attention and actions will be. The term "paying" is just a figure of speech. You are simply reaping what you have sowed. JB nope not everyone pay for their bad choices ... life doesn't work like that ..you don't have to do something bad for something bad to happen to you ..this falls into the category of "sh_t happens" .. |
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so if you have to "pay" for the consequence... then how is it "Free".
"Paying" for the consequences of your actions is part of the law of cause and effect that states for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. This is true down to the quantum level. It has nothing to do with the will and your freedom to direct where your thoughts and attention and actions will be. The term "paying" is just a figure of speech. You are simply reaping what you have sowed. JB nope not everyone pay for their bad choices ... life doesn't work like that ..you don't have to do something bad for something bad to happen to you ..this falls into the category of "sh_t happens" .. That is where I tend to disagree. You will eventually reap what you sow. You may not see it in all cases, but you will. Sh*t happens because of negative thinking and bad choices or even just by not paying attention to what you are doing or thinking. Everything produces a result of some kind. That is the law. You jump of a cliff, you fall down not up. That is the law. JB |
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The prisoners do have a choice, and you said it yourself. They can comply OR face further consequences. That, unfortunately, is their choice. Their choices are limited because of previous choices that got them into that situation. "JennieBean" the prisoners have no choice but to be prisoners .and being a prisoner of any type is a contradiction to "Free Will" ..and of course their choice is limited because they are not in control... other forces are ... The law of attraction and the laws of cause and effect or Karma are teaching laws. They will eventually, over many lifetimes, lead you to learn the correct choices that will have the results you desire instead of painting yourself into a corner by your wrong choices. JB is this what you meant by having an open mind .. the laws of attraction and karma? ..at this point in time those are just unprovable beliefs .. remember we are keeping the discussion logical or "according to the bible" in order not to resort to placing in unprovable beliefs and cut and paste scriptures if you can prove your theory of karma or laws of attraction then you are welcome to do so The law of cause and effect is a proven scientific law. The terms Karma or Law of attraction are variations of that same law in effect in this reality. I speak the truth as I know it, not according to the Bible which I believe is untruth, plagiarism and forgery. If you are going to tell me I have to discuss things with you under your rules, then I will not reveal any more truth to you under these funchy rules. I make my own rules funch, I don't follow yours. JB |
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Funches, you have no concept of the meaning of your pet phrase "free will." Your definition is completely ridiculous. JB Actually - Funches is right on. One ONLY has the freedom of choice when there exists options to chose from. When there exists only one option - the choice has been made for you. As to will - one has the ability to will, but does not have the freedom to see it to fruition without the aid of outside forces. Does that sum it up Funches? |
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(1)That God Was Not The Only Being That Existed Before Creation the bible makes reference to angels being immortal but makes no mention of the birth of angels during creation which is an indication that angels existed before creation and this contradicts the bible that God was the only being that existed before creation...for this to be argued against logically a reference when the angels were created must be found in the Bible As to this - I offer Psalm 148. Which reads Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord from the heavens, praise him in the heihts above. Praise him Angels, praise him, all his heavenly hosts. Praise him, sun and moon, praise him, all you shining stars. Praise him, you highest heavens and you waters above the skies. Let them praise the name of the Lord for he commanded and they were CREATED. (Capitols mine) It goes on to describe the creation from the earth, as opposed to the heavens. Here - it says they were created. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Wed 08/06/08 10:35 PM
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Funches, you have no concept of the meaning of your pet phrase "free will." Your definition is completely ridiculous. JB Actually - Funches is right on. One ONLY has the freedom of choice when there exists options to chose from. When there exists only one option - the choice has been made for you. As to will - one has the ability to will, but does not have the freedom to see it to fruition without the aid of outside forces. Does that sum it up Funches? The power of will is always free. It is not just about making a choice of what one will do. It is also about what one will think. Unless a person is totally mind controlled and cannot think at all, they always have a choice. Most situations will provide more than one choice of actions. Not all, but most. If you have made choices that corner you into a situation where you have no choice or only one choice, it is your previous choices that are responsible. You are totally responsible for your predicament because of your previous choices and actions. The good, bad, or unknowing choices that you made previously got you there. JB |
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That is where I tend to disagree. You will eventually reap what you sow. You may not see it in all cases, but you will. Sh*t happens because of negative thinking and bad choices or even just by not paying attention to what you are doing or thinking. Everything produces a result of some kind. That is the law. You jump of a cliff, you fall down not up. That is the law. JB that we will eventually reap what we sow is no different than saying Sh_t happens ..of course if you reap watching outside and cross the street that you may sow by getting hit by a milk truck ..that term is mainly used to scold someone into making supposely right choices that are mostly out of their control to make |
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The law of cause and effect is a proven scientific law. The terms Karma or Law of attraction are variations of that same law in effect in this reality. I speak the truth as I know it, not according to the Bible which I believe is untruth, plagiarism and forgery. If you are going to tell me I have to discuss things with you under your rules, then I will not reveal any more truth to you under these funchy rules. I make my own rules funch, I don't follow yours. JB ok then I will use your rules as in your own words that way you can't dispute it you said that we were all "prisoners of our minds" that statement is you admitting you lack the will to think beyond your mind and that is why you can't form your own independent thoughts beyond the hive collective ..I've asked you numerous times to do it but you always drop out of the conversation .. so "JennieBean" this is your chance to prove that you have "Free Will" tell of a rational thought you had that no one else had ..you either can or you can't the logic is simple..if you can't even form your own independent rational thoughts then you lack the "Free Will" to think on your own and must follow the same plan as the hive collective .. instead of "JennieBean" you are actually "Jennie-Bee" |
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Funches, you have no concept of the meaning of your pet phrase "free will." Your definition is completely ridiculous. JB Actually - Funches is right on. One ONLY has the freedom of choice when there exists options to chose from. When there exists only one option - the choice has been made for you. As to will - one has the ability to will, but does not have the freedom to see it to fruition without the aid of outside forces. Does that sum it up Funches? By Jove I think he's got it |
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(1)That God Was Not The Only Being That Existed Before Creation the bible makes reference to angels being immortal but makes no mention of the birth of angels during creation which is an indication that angels existed before creation and this contradicts the bible that God was the only being that existed before creation...for this to be argued against logically a reference when the angels were created must be found in the Bible As to this - I offer Psalm 148. Which reads Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord from the heavens, praise him in the heihts above. Praise him Angels, praise him, all his heavenly hosts. Praise him, sun and moon, praise him, all you shining stars. Praise him, you highest heavens and you waters above the skies. Let them praise the name of the Lord for he commanded and they were CREATED. (Capitols mine) It goes on to describe the creation from the earth, as opposed to the heavens. Here - it says they were created. "Eljay" what version of the bible did you get that ..all that passage was referring to was to feed God's ego and to praise him .. also in another version of that palsm it states Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.
isn't this an indication that other heavens and waters exist that wasn't included in Genesis ..and that it's possible that the angels exist in other places or Heavens before creation took place |
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The power of will is always free. It is not just about making a choice of what one will do. It is also about what one will think. Unless a person is totally mind controlled and cannot think at all, they always have a choice. Most situations will provide more than one choice of actions. Not all, but most. If you have made choices that corner you into a situation where you have no choice or only one choice, it is your previous choices that are responsible. You are totally responsible for your predicament because of your previous choices and actions. The good, bad, or unknowing choices that you made previously got you there. JB "JennieBean" since you are conrolled by the outside forces nothing is 'Free" ..everything you do takes energy to do it because the forces are constantly pressuring you to do their bidding..that's why you are force to eat food and drink water because of these forces that constantly sap you of energy just because you think you have the will to do something doesn't mean you have the energy to do it ..therefore you are restricted by the forces as to what you can do ..this is not "Free Will" this is control |
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Edited by
davidben1
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Thu 08/07/08 07:21 AM
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your words declare your own motives funches, and no amount of words changes what is true and untrue, lol...... since you asked and even insisted for help to see your own motives, help was given once as token of good will, and the same hand in friendship offered as many times as you have allowed with your words......... if you believe in satan, then so be it, he is your guide as you have pronounced this day, and steal as many souls as you see fit mr funches, as whatever a man believes by the utterance of his tongue be his guide, lol......... "DavidBen" I may or may not be working on producing a sci-fi cable program and I may or may not use 'The Third Testament' as research for one of the scripts here the link to the production ..and after you veiw it then can you reveal my true motive as to why I started this thread ... I mean if you have that information then can you finally let me know my true motive or perhaps find another witch to burn on your stake http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX1qtmnotr4 witches are my best friends........christians are my best friends........ have i voiced displeasure with this thread? have i made mention to some motive regarding this thread? no impure motive was seen in the creating of this thread mr funches, lol....... no impure motive was seen from you at all dear boy, and when have i not professed loudly for all to hear that many words you speak come from wisdom? i think this thread is awesome, so what perception are you looking thru....... awh.....you still having trouble seeing your own motives of the heart dear funches...... do you believe that when your heart feels condemed and has doubt of onself, for creating this thread , and is afraid, that you can cover it up from any eyes that have true sight, lol....... do you not speak your motives aloud again, saying thru your pronounced feelings that christians seek to burn others at the stake, lol...... have you not seen many professed christians and believers despise me, and wish for me to be burned as well, lol......even wishing me as banished to hell, lol..... they do not know i have already been there and arose to come back, lol....... the christians perspective will fade away, and if you beleive you are wiser, then why do you wish to burn them, lol..... such distain my friend, from where does it come..... you are afraid of words of religion dear boy, because there is truth in all things spoken, and no words pronounced from the mind can make it not so in the heart, but you have forgotten, and declared yourself to be wise to yourself, and all knowing, so now your own words shall find out you were not......... you do not yet know that each word from every human is prophetic, and is creating all that is seen, and the path of each, as the illsuion has been great to hide such things for a time...... you have seen many things from wisdom indeed, and all words written from me have attempted to encourage that, so you are in no wise freed from the religion you believed since a boy, and have run from all your life, but now you will see that many words you have declared as lies, will come back from this day forward to haunt you............ you will finally be relieved as such foolish notions that mankind is in control, lol.......... this will be scary at first, and shake you to the ground in fright, but after, you will smile with relief and pleasure, as all that has ever perplexed the heart shall pass away............ whether you believe these words or not makes no difference, so why bother to spout off more notions when your own heart even hollor to speak it not........ you asked to speak it all dear funches, and hold nothing back from you, and said i needed practice, and you were indeed correct........peace |
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witches are my best friends........christians are my best friends........ "DavidBen" I'm just curious but ..er..did control substances make it on that best friends list |
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witches are my best friends........christians are my best friends........ "DavidBen" I'm just curious but ..er..did control substances make it on that best friends list i love your humor, and it fills my heart with love and laughter..........peace dear funches |
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your words declare your own motives funches, and no amount of words changes what is true and untrue, lol...... since you asked and even insisted for help to see your own motives, help was given once as token of good will, and the same hand in friendship offered as many times as you have allowed with your words......... if you believe in satan, then so be it, he is your guide as you have pronounced this day, and steal as many souls as you see fit mr funches, as whatever a man believes by the utterance of his tongue be his guide, lol......... "DavidBen" I may or may not be working on producing a sci-fi cable program and I may or may not use 'The Third Testament' as research for one of the scripts here the link to the production ..and after you veiw it then can you reveal my true motive as to why I started this thread ... I mean if you have that information then can you finally let me know my true motive or perhaps find another witch to burn on your stake http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX1qtmnotr4 witches are my best friends........christians are my best friends........ have i voiced displeasure with this thread? have i made mention to some motive regarding this thread? no impure motive was seen in the creating of this thread mr funches, lol....... no impure motive was seen from you at all dear boy, and when have i not professed loudly for all to hear that many words you speak come from wisdom? i think this thread is awesome, so what perception are you looking thru....... awh.....you still having trouble seeing your own motives of the heart dear funches...... do you believe that when your heart feels condemed and has doubt of onself, for creating this thread , and is afraid, that you can cover it up from any eyes that have true sight, lol....... do you not speak your motives aloud again, saying thru your pronounced feelings that christians seek to burn others at the stake, lol...... have you not seen many professed christians and believers despise me, and wish for me to be burned as well, lol......even wishing me as banished to hell, lol..... they do not know i have already been there and arose to come back, lol....... the christians perspective will fade away, and if you beleive you are wiser, then why do you wish to burn them, lol..... such distain my friend, from where does it come..... you are afraid of words of religion dear boy, because there is truth in all things spoken, and no words pronounced from the mind can make it not so in the heart, but you have forgotten, and declared yourself to be wise to yourself, and all knowing, so now your own words shall find out you were not......... you do not yet know that each word from every human is prophetic, and is creating all that is seen, and the path of each, as the illsuion has been great to hide such things for a time...... you have seen many things from wisdom indeed, and all words written from me have attempted to encourage that, so you are in no wise freed from the religion you believed since a boy, and have run from all your life, but now you will see that many words you have declared as lies, will come back from this day forward to haunt you............ you will finally be relieved as such foolish notions that mankind is in control, lol.......... this will be scary at first, and shake you to the ground in fright, but after, you will smile with relief and pleasure, as all that has ever perplexed the heart shall pass away............ whether you believe these words or not makes no difference, so why bother to spout off more notions when your own heart even hollor to speak it not........ you asked to speak it all dear funches, and hold nothing back from you, and said i needed practice, and you were indeed correct........peace 
I concur DB. 
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witches are my best friends........christians are my best friends........ "DavidBen" I'm just curious but ..er..did control substances make it on that best friends list i love your humor, and it fills my heart with love and laughter..........peace dear funches well a state of euphoria are the end results ..so...er.. is that a yes |
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funches, lol......
do you ask if i partake in controlled substances? why do you not do as you profess and ask plainly what you wish to know, lol.... are beer and much coffee the controlled substances you speak of, lol? is not food a controlled substance? seems many would find so, so what one is better than another? it not pride also as a controlled substance? cannot not illusions of evil also be as a controlled substance that can drive any to the same end results? is not each mans heart what is to judge oneself of all things, as a friend, as a wisdom, that lead to wisdom? all things by all lead to more wisdom, even substance abuse in the many that are weak, made weak most by teachings of religion thru vanity as a rule of commandments, but even these that have suffered much oppression and are forsaken shall rise to be the greatest first, now having come of sight of wisdom by all that was experienced......... are you asking if i am using drugs to write such things? find one on drugs, and see if they speak the same, then you have your answer, if you have not already listened to your heart and found it...........peace |
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are you asking if i am using drugs to write such things? well it can go either way ..you may actually write in parables because you forgot to take your medication |
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are you asking if i am using drugs to write such things? well it can go either way ..you may actually write in parables because you forgot to take your medication it is telling what a man responds to of what his mind most thinks, lol....... is this a parable? you do have a focused mind for getting your answers, lol..... what is a parable to one is not to another at all, as if one seeks to write in parables, it will elude them....... if one is confused, is it the hearer or the speaker? perhaps neither is confused, but only have a barrier between them that is not intentionally created by either, and is the one used to create all wisdom when broken thru in time, not to confuse any funches.... of the many logical insights you have posted, each has wisdom, but if all that was seen as a contradiction, was only as two sides of a coin, seen at first as opposing, then the two added together, both a true if you will, can make for increased perception allowing the answers one has always sought to be found........peace |
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are you asking if i am using drugs to write such things? well it can go either way ..you may actually write in parables because you forgot to take your medication it is telling what a man responds to of what his mind most thinks, lol....... is this a parable? well "DavidBen" ..it's not really a parable maybe more in the realm of dyslexia |
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