Tribo....how are you , Dear ?

I'm here , just spreading the love...


Hope your day is going well...

LOL I just thought I might have to sneak off because I seem to have the illusion that the people in my life can't do without me.

But I bet they can.

Okay then, I will announce it to the press. But first I have to raise the money for the trip and of course I need to see if Abra wants to go.

JB

Sorry for the flight of fancy and getting off topic.

oh well,

I don't think that Voileazur or anyone else will mind


a little light hearted intermission is always good

and flights of fancy are very very good !!!


I can't speak for James, of course...

but I think he would be honored...

fine R, i think your hairs nice also, to bad your not filipino - hahahaha

Hmmmm?

Spending a month in paradise with a slothy woman who believes in Draconians?

This sounds like a storybook fairytale come true.

Will I need to bring a double-edged sword that glows in the dark when Draconians are nearby?

How about if I just bring a magical flute instead?

When I see the Draconians I’ll play the magical flute and turn them into Pixies.

jb

I seem to have the illusion that the people in my life can't do without me.


TRIBO:

thats a delusion not an illusion, i knew you were delusional - hahahaha

JB, tell your need to the christians here i'm sure R, morning star, feral, wouldee, will see the need and pitch in.

We need to find a quiet island away from the hustle and bustle of the tourists claptrap in order to be as slothful as possible.

Does anyone here have any recommendations for a location?
I just want a quiet beach where I can sit in a lounge chair and drink ice tea and watch the sea gulls.

Of course I would like it to be near a very hot nightclub where I can go listen to some music and drink those funny drinks with the umbrella's in them.

JB

P.S. I have a flute made from a plastic plumbing pipe, maybe James can teach me to play it.

be a wasted trip without the "majikal flute"

my bad -

ahh a scientist work is never done poor boy, hate to see you suffer throught it but - think of all the new things you might discover??

Thank you I'm proud to be Italian Sicilian

James...you are hilarious!!!

{{{{{ <<<<< JAMES & JEANNIE >>>>> }}}}}

Abra..... ALL denominations ....ALL AGREE that JESUS IS LORD.
In fact, I should not even have to say this... you already know that.

HOWEVER...the reason denominations have some doctrinal differences ,is because not ALL christians have yet recieved the FULLNESS of what God has for them.

Personally, I believe every christian needs to ask to be FILLED with the Holy Spirit....and not just indwelt by the Holy Spirit( as is already the case with every believer).

Abra...when I sat under just a denominational preacher, preachng God's Word, I fall asleep sometimes, and feel absolutely no annointing on the Word being preached....although the Word is being preached.

But when I sat under a nondenominational SPIRIT FILLED preacher , preachng the Annointed Word of God, I could listen for hours and hours and hours on end...and NEVER grow tired of hearing God's Word.
See..the Annointing on the Word makes the Word being preached, Come ALIVE.

Now.....although BOTH preachers are preaching the Word ( one being just INDWELT with God's Holy Spirit, and the other being FILLED with God's Holy Spirit), I am getting more out of the Spirit FILLED preacher, cause he is able to get into the DEEPER things of God REVEALED to Him, because of the INFILLING of the Holy Spirit in him.

Personally, I feel that is what you need.... to go to an annointed spirit filled ministry and feel the annointing flowing there....and the power of the Holy Sprit moving....it may help you see the Gospel as the LIVE Word of God..which it Truly is.


Abra. some years ago, I used to fly home evey holiday,and sing for my pappa and mum when they were both still alive.
Even before pappa got saved, he would jump and raise his hands and just dance,when I sang under the annointing.
And he was not even saved yet.
That was the annointing of the Holy Spirit on the music . doing that to him, Abra.

Point is, people who aren't even saved, recognize the difference between the annointed teaching of God's Word, or singing... versus just "denominational" preaching or singing.

Abra...go to a christian bookstore.
Get some annointed music going in your house.
Get some Hillsong CD's,for instance.
Or Michael Smith.
Make sure they are spirit filled annointed music. You will even feel the difference yourself.

Point is.. there is SO MUCH MORE to this christian walk than you have ever yet experienced.
DEEPER things of God are revealed to those who are FILLED with the Holy Spirit .

This spirit filled walk is a wondeful christian journey, Abra....... a rich and wonderful and NEVER BORING journey...this SPIRIT FILLED WALK WITH THE LORD.


Abra.... I think you have only been exposed to dead church.....No life in it.
Jeannie too.
And that is why you both think all christianity is that way.

And sadly, You are both actually missing out on a FEAST of God's Word.

Hey...just look at pentacost.
Look at the way the diciples were Before pentacost, and then afterwards.
That is because of the empowerment ...the FULLNESS that came upon them as believers.

Listening Abra?
With your spiritual ears?

I believe this is what is missing in your exposure to Christianity.

But God is not done with christianity.....the outpouring of the Holy Spirit is gonna move on all denominations one day..and all will be FILLED with the Holy Spirit.

In fact..it has already been happening....That day is already upon us.

Voileazuer......my apologies for hijacking your thread.

I will do some research and contribute to the topic of your thread.

Ok...back to the topic of sharing on the history of religions.....
before sharing on the history of christianity,
thought I'd start with the history of Judiasm first.

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Early History of Judaism

Circa 2000 BCE, the G-d of the ancient Israelites established a divine covenant with Abraham, making him the patriarch of many nations. From his name, the term Abramic Religions is derived; these are the three religions which trace their roots back to Abraham: Judaism, Christianity and Islam. The book of Genesis describes the events surrounding the lives of the four patriarchs: Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Joseph. Moses was the next leader. He led his people out of captivity in Egypt, and received the Law from G-d. After decades of wandering through wilderness, Joshua led the tribes into the promised land, driving out the Canaanites through a series of military battles.

The original tribal organization was converted into a Kingdom by Samuel; its first king was Saul. The second king, David, established Jerusalem as the religious and political center. The third king, Solomon built the first temple there.

Division into the Northern kingdom of Israel and the Southern kingdom of Judah occurred shortly after the death of Solomon in 922 BCE. Israel fell to Assyria in 722 BCE; Judah fell to the Babylonians in 587 BCE. The temple was destroyed. Some Jews returned from captivity under the Babylonians and started to restore the temple in 536 BCE. Alexander the Great invaded the area in 332 BCE. From circa 300 to 63 BCE, Greek became the language of commerce, and Greek culture had a major influence on Judaism. In 63 BCE, the Roman Empire took control of Palestine.

Three religious sects had formed by the 1st century AD: the Sadducees, Pharisees and Essenes. Many anticipated the arrival of a Messiah who would drive the Roman invaders out and restore independence. Christianity was established initially as a Jewish sect, centered in Jerusalem. Paul broke with this tradition and spread the religion to the Gentiles (non-Jews). Many mini-revolts led to the destruction of Jerusalem and its temple in 70 CE. The Jewish Christians were wiped out or scattered at this time. The movement started by Paul flourished and quickly evolved into a separate religion. Jews were scattered throughout the known world. Their religion was no longer centered in Jerusalem; Jews were prohibited from setting foot there. Judaism became decentralized and stopped seeking converts. The local synagogue became the new center of Jewish life, and authority shifted from the centralized priesthood to local scholars and teachers, giving rise to Rabbinic Judaism.

The period from the destruction of the temple onward give rise to heavy persecution by Christians throughout Europe and Russia. The latter held the Jews continuously responsible for the execution of Jesus. In the 1930s and 1940s, Adolf Hitler and the German Nazi party drew on centuries of anti-Semitism (and upon their own psychotic beliefs in racial purity) when they organized the Holocaust, the attempted extermination of all Jews in Europe. About 6 million were killed in one of the world's greatest examples of religious and racial intolerance.

A Zionist movement was a response to persecution. Their initial goal was create a Jewish homeland in Palestine. The state of Israel was formed on 1948-MAY-18. There are currently about 18 million Jews throughout the world; about 7 million live in North America.


Jewish Texts

The Tanakh corresponds to the Jewish Scriptures (Old Testament) in the Christian bible. It is composed of three groups of books:

. the Torah Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.
. the Nevi'im, the Prophetic books of Isaiah, Amos, etc.
. the Ketuvim, the "Writings" including Kings, Chronicles, etc.

The Talmud contains stories, laws, medical knowledge, debates about moral choices, etc. It is composed of material which mainly comes from two sources:

. the Mishnah, 6 chapters containing a series of laws from the Hebrew Scriptures, arranged about 200 CE.
. the Gemera (one Babylonian and one Palestinian) which is an assembly of comments from hundreds of Rabbis from 200 - 500 CE, along with a passage from the Mishnah.



Jewish Beliefs

They include:
. G-d is the creator and absolute ruler of the universe
. Jewish belief is unlike the Christian concept of original sin (the belief that all people have inherited Adam and Eve's sin when they disobeyed G-d's instructions in the Garden of Eden). Judaism affirms the inherent goodness of the world and its people as creations of G-d. Believers are able to sanctify their lives and draw closer to G-d by fulfilling mitzvot (divine commandments). No saviour is needed as an intermediary.

. The Jews are G-d's chosen people
. The Ten commandments, as delineated in Exodus 20:1-17 and Deuterotomy 5:6-21, form the core of Jewish life
. The need to follow the many dietary and other laws of the Torah
. Boys reach the status of Bar Mitzvah (literally son of the commandment) on their 13th birthday; girls reach Bat Mitzvah (daughter of the commandment) on their 12th birthday. This means that they are recognized as adults and are personally responsible to follow the Jewish commandments and laws; they are allowed to lead a religious service; they are counted in a "minyan" (a quota necessary to perform certain parts of religious services); they can sign contracts; they can testify in religious courts; theoretically, they can marry, although the Talmud recommends 18 to 24 as the proper age for marriage.



Jewish Practices

They include:
. Observation of the Sabbath (day of rest), starting at sundown on Friday evening.
. Strict religious discipline governs almost all areas of life
. Regular attendance at Synagogue
. Celebration of the annual festivals including:
The Passover, which is held each Spring to recall their deliverance out of slavery in Egypt. A ritual Seder meal is eaten in each observing Jewish home at this time. Some Passover dates are: 1998 - 11th April, 1999 - 1st April, 2000 - 20th April ,
The 10 days from Rosh Hashanah (New Year) to Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement) which are days of fasting and penitence. Some Rosh Hashanah dates are 1998 - 21 September, 1999 - 11th September, 2000 - 30tth Spetember
. Bar Mitzvah and Bat Mitzvah ceremonies are commonly held to recognize the coming-of-age of a Jewish youth. Shortly after their birthday, (13th for a male; 12th for a female), they recite a blessing during a Saturday Shabbat service. In most cases, they might handle additional functions, like reading the assigned text from the Torah, or leading the congregation in prayer. etc.. They often make a speech which, by tradition, starts with "Today I am a man." The youth's father often recites a blessing in appreciation for no longer being burdened with the responsibility of his child's sins. Within Orthodox and Chasidic practice, women are not allowed to take leadership roles in religious services. For them, a Bat Mitzvah celebration is basically a party.
. The local synagogue is governed by the congregation and led by a rabbi who has been chosen by the congregation. The Chief Rabbis in France and Great Britain have authority only by the agreement of those who accept it. Two Chief Rabbis in Israel have civil authority in areas of family law.



Jewish Sects

There are five main forms of Judaism in the world today:
. Conservative* Judaism: This began in the mid-nineteenth century as a reaction against the Reform movement. It is a main-line movement midway between Reform and Orthodox.
. Humanistic Judaism: This is a small group, mainly composed of atheists and agnostics, who regard mankind as the measure of all things.
. Orthodox* Judaism: This the oldest and most conservative form of Judaism. They attempt to observe their religion as close to its original forms as possible. They look upon every word in their sacred texts as being divinely inspired.
. Reconstructist Judaism: This is a new liberal movement started by Mordecai Kaplan as an attempt to unify and revitalize the religion. They reject the concept that Jews are a uniquely favored and chosen people. They have no connection at all with Christian Reconstructionism, which is an ultra-conservative form of Christianity.
. Reform* Judaism: They are a liberal group, who follow the ethical laws of Judaism, but leave up to the individual the decision whether to follow or ignore the dietary and other traditional laws. They use modern forms of worship.
* These are the largest forms of Judaism




Holy Days in Judaism

1. 1st of Tishri, Rosh Hashanah; "Head of the Year", The Jewish New Year, and the anniversary of the completion of creation.
2. 10th of Tishri ,Yom Kippur; "Day of Atonement", A day of fasting and praying which occurs 10 days after the first day of Rosh Hashanah. The holiest day in the year.
3. 15th of Tishri, Sukkot; "Season of our rejoicing; Feast of Tabernacles", The Feast of Booths is an 8 day harvest festival; a time of thanksgiving. This was considered the most important Jewish festival in 1st cent.
4. 25th of Kislev, Hanukkah, Chanukah; "Feast of Dedication", The Feast of Lights is an 8 day Feast of Dedication. It recalls the war fought by the Maccabees in the cause of religious freedom.
5. 14th of Adar, Purim; "Feast of Lots", The Feast of Lots recalls the defeat by Queen Esther of the plan to slaughter all of the Persian Jews, circa 400 BCE.
6. 15th Nissan, Pesach; "Passover" , The 8 day festival recalls the exodus of the Israelites from slavery in Egypt circa 1300 BCE. A holiday meal, the Seder, is held at home.
7. 6th of Sivan; 50 days after Pesach, Shavouth; "Festival of Weeks", Pentacost (a.k.a. Feast of Weeks) recalls God's revelation of the Torah to the Jewish people.



With thanks to the Religious Tolerance Organisation of Ontario for the Information on this page

Thanks Morningsong!

Actually, I believe this is true of the North Pole. Is that heaven too?

That was very nice Morning Song...thank you

and yes, i have seen, & felt & experienced
the huge difference in my own life,
going from the dead rituals of catholicism
to a spirit-filled congregation ...

My life was completely transformed...

and the fruits of the Spirit
were truly abounding in my life...

" You shall know them by their fruit"

the Bible says..."

"You shall know the Truth ~
and the Truth shall set you free"...

that doesn't mean i am perfect...
sometimes i have left my first love...
and then come to my senses & back on track

i just can't remove myself from the Holy Spirit
or the amazing grace of God for long
or without great remorse...
I do not want the Spirit of the Lord
to leave me ever ..

"For all have sinned & fallen short of the glory of God"

And i am His Masterpiece in progress