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While I am at it. since Zues has been brought up. Rev. tells us where satans seat is.
It is where the Temple of Zeus was untill it was taken down and moved to England. Thats a real ringer of who is to come. Miles |
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Jeanniebean
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Sun 07/27/08 04:39 PM
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Tribo:
The Boob tube: "I'm mad and I'm not gonna take it any more!" (Great show, "Network" So true, so ahead of its time.) By "spiritual" I mean the unseen, the unknown. But you can say that everything and every moment of every life is a "spiritual" experience. It's all in what you mean by the word and how you see the world and your own existence. There is no need to debate the small stuff of what one may or may not consider to be spiritual. *************************************** Abra: Great Poem overview of the entire thread.  ************************************** Milesoftheusa:  You are being much too religious. **************************************** voileazur: I'm not sure you and Tribo are on the same page. I have a good idea of who the "controllers" are but that may fall under the category of another thread. Yes I am probably more confused than your average minion.  Why? Probably because I think too much. Yes we have stopped listening to ourselves. We are immersed in the game. We fancy ourselves as players.  I am just a tourist.  JB ***************************************** |
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maybe JB..
But in what I believe I am told to give every man an answer. An honest and truthfull answer. I have not been pen down to that point on the name before. I just had to say what I (me ,myself and I) believe to be true. I do not believe i have been very religious all day really  Shalom Miles
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jb
The Boob tube: "I'm mad and I'm not gonna take it any more!" (Great show, "Network" So true, so ahead of its time.) tribo yep, when i first saw it on the big screen it moved me then and still does now. glad you liked it jb. 
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jb
voileazur: I'm not sure you and Tribo are on the same page. I have a good idea of who the "controllers" are but that may fall under the category of another thread. tribo i agree, no offense mr V. |
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jb
By "spiritual" I mean the unseen, the unknown. But you can say that everything and every moment of every life is a "spiritual" experience. It's all in what you mean by the word and how you see the world and your own existence. tribo agreed you really cant seperate the two totally only for conversation. |
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tribo
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Sun 07/27/08 05:37 PM
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jb
Yes we have stopped listening to ourselves. We are immersed in the game. We fancy ourselves as players. tribo i know better, we started the creation on this planet, not the other way around - we have just forgotten. |
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davidben1
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Sun 07/27/08 05:38 PM
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Davidben Yes it is the key to scripture. Yahshua was the one on the mercy seat in the Temple in the name of Yahweh. We are the Temple now made without hands. Any strange fire brought into that temple is destroyed the same as Aarons sons were. This is speaking to those who have heard the good News. Why do you think i have no problem with those who do not believe questioning and saying what they do. they have wisdom that i need. This is a spiritual battle. No wise army goes to battle not knowing what the other army is capable of. The word who is Yahshua is sharper than any two edged sword. So Yes refusing Yahshua is refusing Yahweh..Shalom...Miles I might as well put it all out thier for all who say they believe to see. As the question you asked is pinpointed. Blaspemy of the Holy Spirit which will not be forgiven in this world or the next. That is the 3rd commandment. Yahweh or Yahshua does not say anything that is not written in the word for you to find as an absolute and not a guess. The 3rd commandment word vain. Actual meaning is bring to nothingness. to destroy, destruction. This is what satan is trying to do Destroy the name of Yahweh for one of his own. Then they follow him and the whole world is decieved. We see in Lev. no Mercy given t6o a man who blasmpmene the name of Yahweh. To you any other name is to Blaspeme the name of Yahweh as you call upon another and decree him as the creator of all things.. This is not a thing to be messed with. still no answer to the two questions asked...... WILL GOD VINDICATE ONE TRUTH ONLY? WILL ONE NAME CLOSE THE MIND? by the way, blaspheme be not forgiven in this world or the world to come, because there is no NEED for forgiveness, lol....what is needed for one that damn a holy spirit that is willing millions should perish, and even pray each day that it come for to others, to spare oneself any more misery, lol...... wisdom see that none shall persih except those that have found what was most wished to be found, excape for themself, and it is easy to find a belief that one believe save oneself, lol....... but the whole truth will NEVER be willing to damn millions of others, but even in so doing, these have created a gallows to hang all others on, and the very gallows that oneself is to be hung on, EXCEPT, each you have damned, have heard deceiving words such as you speak, and have been taught, and see it is not a loving spirit, and shall forgive you, when you are ready to be lifted to those gallows....... the more one preach destruction and damnation, the more need one create for themself of the same, to see and learn what a true spirit of love really is, and any truth that be the whole truth must be as god sees, who is not willing that any should perish.........peace what wicked man wish his neigbor die...... what religious man does not pray how long lord till the wicked die...... |
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tribo
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Sun 07/27/08 05:36 PM
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maybe JB.. But in what I believe I am told to give every man an answer. An honest and truthfull answer. I have not been pen down to that point on the name before. I just had to say what I (me ,myself and I) believe to be true. I do not believe i have been very religious all day really Shalom Miles Miles, i understand what your saying - but there are many other things to look at as to truths, but i will not lead you to them - enjoy your faith and your truths for now, maybe you will be opened to mine later as others also. shalom my friend. |
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maybe JB.. But in what I believe I am told to give every man an answer. An honest and truthfull answer. I have not been pen down to that point on the name before. I just had to say what I (me ,myself and I) believe to be true. I do not believe i have been very religious all day really Shalom Miles Your beliefs seem so strange to me. They don't seem to be Jewish or Christian. I don't read all of your posts. Is there a name for your religion or is it something original? JB |
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DB1
Sun 07/27/08 05:34 PMQUOTE: Davidben Yes it is the key to scripture. Yahshua was the one on the mercy seat in the Temple in the name of Yahweh. We are the Temple now made without hands. Any strange fire brought into that temple is destroyed the same as Aarons sons were. This is speaking to those who have heard the good News. Why do you think i have no problem with those who do not believe questioning and saying what they do. they have wisdom that i need. This is a spiritual battle. No wise army goes to battle not knowing what the other army is capable of. The word who is Yahshua is sharper than any two edged sword. So Yes refusing Yahshua is refusing Yahweh..Shalom...Miles I might as well put it all out thier for all who say they believe to see. As the question you asked is pinpointed. Blaspemy of the Holy Spirit which will not be forgiven in this world or the next. That is the 3rd commandment. Yahweh or Yahshua does not say anything that is not written in the word for you to find as an absolute and not a guess. The 3rd commandment word vain. Actual meaning is bring to nothingness. to destroy, destruction. This is what satan is trying to do Destroy the name of Yahweh for one of his own. Then they follow him and the whole world is decieved. We see in Lev. no Mercy given t6o a man who blasmpmene the name of Yahweh. To you any other name is to Blaspeme the name of Yahweh as you call upon another and decree him as the creator of all things.. This is not a thing to be messed with. still no answer to the two questions asked...... WILL GOD VINDICATE ONE TRUTH ONLY? WILL ONE NAME CLOSE THE MIND? by the way, blaspheme be not forgiven in this world or the world to come, because there is no NEED for forgiveness, lol....what is needed for one that damn a holy spirit that is willing millions should perish, and even pray each day that it come for to others, to spare oneself any more misery, lol...... wisdom see that none shall persih except those that have found any most wished to be found, and it is easy to find one that any believe save oneself, lol....... but the whole truth will NEVER be willing to damn millions of others, but even in so doing, these have created a gallows to hang all others on, and the very gallows that oneself is to be hung on, EXCEPT, each you have damned, have heard deceiving words such as you speak, and have been taught, and see it is not a loving spirit, and shall forgive you, when you are ready to be lifted to those gallows....... the more one preach destruction and damnation, the more need one create for themself of the same, to see and learn what a true spirit of love really is, and any truth that be the whole truth must be as god sees, who is not willing that any should perish.........peace what wicked man wish his neigbor die...... what religious man does not pray how long lord till the wicked die...... tribo david please tell me what religion you are if you are at all, where are you coming from when you post such as you do? are you jewish,muslem, other, none? it will help me understand you better if that is part of your aim here in your post tnx in advance - your friend tribo |
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voileazur
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Sun 07/27/08 06:58 PM
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voileazur: I'm not sure you and Tribo are on the same page. I have a good idea of who the "controllers" are but that may fall under the category of another thread. To say it in tribo 'linguo', yes WE are, but he doesn't relaize it yet! (No offense trbo) The 'I' will irrevocably place the 'controller' outside. 'I' separates. It can only be a 'me' and 'you' battle, when it comes to the 'I'. A 'me' inside, and 'you' outside. Separate. That's the lie. That's the so called 'contrroller'. The entire battle to win (survive) 'against' something whcih doesn't exist. All there is, is 'we'. As for the 'controllers', 'we' are on the same human page!!! For 'we', has met the controllers, ... and it is all the 'I's of humanity. That is what 'I', taking all the room these days, has displaced all of the 'we's reminders 'inside, deep, deep, deep inside all of 'we' !!!' Yes I am probably more confused than your average minion. I meant the opposite, I wrote: "... Listen carefully, the confusion is everywhere JB. Or maybe not ?!?!? You're not confused JB, are you?!?!?..." You are a 'we' (one), to the 'we' in me (IMHO), that gets the 'we' in all of 'we's (us)!!! That's the only thing you were confused about: my most likely unclear first take at it!!! I am just a tourist. JB You're right about that. You are the only 'ON TOPIC' person on this thread, and as such may very feel like a tourist!!! Ironic isn't it?!?!?! |
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Davidben.
The scriptures are hard to believe. Several things one must understand to see what Yahweh is doing. He has brought us down thru time and gave us examples of who he is and what a meek spirit is and what a wicked spirit is. Theu this he says any one who professes me will not have a wicked spirit. That is what happened at pentecost. I know this is not easy to take in or believe. When the cloven tongues of fire appeared and everyone heard the wonderfull works of Yahweh in all languages that were thier that heard. The temple without hands became. Spirit not physical ever again. Yahweh is a consuming fire. Yet the burning bush was not consumed that yahweh was in. The tongue Ps 119:172 172 My tongue shall speak of Your word, For all Your commandments are righteousness NKJV Prov 16:1 he preparations of the heart belong to man, But the answer of the tongue is from the Lord. NKJV Prov 18:20-21 20 A man's stomach shall be satisfied from the fruit of his mouth; From the produce of his lips he shall be filled. 21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue , And those who love it will eat its fruit. NKJV These are just a few examples of what happened at the giving of the Holy Spirit. They will Speak of Yahweh and his laws for he is Just and good. So what do we have? The pwer of Yahweh and full of the fruit of the spirit. What you speak about his name whether or not you must proclaim as almost all the world is your thoughts. Not Yahweh's word. Hebrews says his people will have his laws written in thier hearts and minds to love and do willingly as he has said. This includes his name. The most powerful name thier is. Why is it so important? Because he is the creator of all things. No one else is to be worshipped. If we love him then doing as he says and not our own understanding which is almost always brought through tradition. Then we will proclaim Yahweh is Salvation and and thier is no other name by which man can be saved.. Yahshua is that name. But directly points to his father as it was Yahshua who created through his fathers blessings. the scriptures say if it were possible the whole world would be decieved. By what you believe how can that be. The refusal to get rid of all other names in face of the fact today that they never were. Is very much prophecy as you will be hated for MY NAMES SAKE. Yahweh is hated so much that many many religions are giving sermons on the the wickedness of those who proclaim this name. telling thier flock to stay away that we are dangerous. When we have done nothing but speak the word. This is Satans doings. This is the Great commission Yahshua spoke of the whole world would know his Evangel. Why do you think the 2 witnesses are hated who are from Yahweh who speak his word for 3 1/2 years and then Satan kills them. Thier is such a celebration over thier Deaths that it is televised around the world for all to see and Rejoice over them. The World is so happy they do not put thier bodies in graves but instead put them on public Display for the World to rejoice over. It will be like Diana's funeral but much larger and its rejoicing not mourning. This will be all over Yahweh's name and the Law that they proclaim. Satan will be at the head of this as for 3 1/2 years Yahweh has not allowed Satan to have power over them untill this Great Commission of the Spreading of the Evangel has spread through the world. This can go on forever Davidben. What is comming upon the world and the deception and refusal to believe Yahweh's word. You are doing as everyone almost does. Use your own words not the words that are written down for us. Yahshua said. John 14:6 6 Yahshua said to him, "I am the way , the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. NKJV I will let the Me4ssiah in his words answer your question. Either you can believe it or brush it aside. Will one name close the mind. That depends. The name of Yahwshua promices to open the mind to all Mysteries in these times. All other names who are worshipped on the peoples lips will decieve them into believing a lie. They will prefer a lie to the truth. making themselves teachers of what they do not know. Read this closely.. Study it with a open Heart. And you may see beyond the words. Blessings JB You are right we are niether Jewish or Chr-stian. Before i say what we are i will just show a couple scriptures to show why. If u do not mind. John 14:6 6 Yahshua said to him, "I am the way , the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. NKJV The Apostles were said of and c Heb 9:8-10 8 the Holy Spirit indicating this, that the way into the Holiest of All was not yet made manifest while the first tabernacle was still standing. 9 It was symbolic for the present time in which both gifts and sacrifices are offered which cannot make him who performed the service perfect in regard to the conscience — 10 concerned only with foods and drinks, various washings, and fleshly ordinances imposed until the time of reformation. NKJV With these as you have seen I worship Yahweh as our creator. You can also see up above Yahshua said he was the Way. In verse 8 it speaks of the Holy spirt leading the 9into the Holiest of Holies. With this we call ourselves for one we know the Apostles called themselves The Way. Indicating The Spirit is guiding them. We are Yahwists of The Way...... Blessings...Miles |
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When you say " he said , said.....etc".
What proof do you have ?. Any fairy tale can be a good religious speech, no proof , no evidence and no scientific or philosophical backing. It is only " said , said.. ....said.". I can tell you : Where is your proof in all this story ?. |
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sam
thier is no need to show any proof.i have shown many things on these threads that show a very real possibility that is far greater of an explanation than science caqn give. my proof to u is my faith. because you know and i know that nothing will change your mind unless you actually experiece a supernatural miracle for yourself.. then you may give it consideration shalom..miles |
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Eljay, I inquired as to what you thought happened to the dinosaurs and you indicated that they must of died after the flood. (Maybe they were drowned?) But my question is why weren't there any mention of these hideous monsters going around eating people in any of the ancient scriptures of mankind? And how do you justify science and carbon dating of bones? In order to accept the modern scientific interpretation of carbon dating - the event of the flood must be denied, for immersion in water effects the ability to accurate carbon date anything. Ask anyone who thinks the world is a billion years or so old, and you will have found someone who denies the flood. So - to me, there is no justification for dating anything before the flood by this method. The reason I inquired into your beliefs is because I wonder how you can justify these things just as you inquired into how I justify the problem of space travel for aliens. I don't mind telling you how I "justify" my beliefs in aliens and I don't' question why you would ask as you did me. The aliens live in another dimension and very possibly traverse time through vortexes. Our own government has discovered this technology and is probably still playing around with it, but most of it (hopefully) was destroyed. (Montauk Project) This project, I believe is not fantasy. It really happened in my opinion. These technologies are accomplished with frequencies ~~and other things. JB I'm not familiar with this concept - but then again, I am not really a follower of "sci-fi" gendre (not a derogatory comment - just a pont of reference as this is where most of the theories of time abnormalties are explored). Though some of the difficulties of understanding what may or may not be legitimate these days occurs through the advancements of technology in the film industries. From Rod Serling and his parallel universe to the film "Leapers" - it gets harder and harder to know where to draw the line between potential truth and pure fiction. From where does this "pure fiction" come? The minds that dream these stories may be receiving more than we know. Example: Jules Verne... Pure Science Fiction... Later to become scientific reality. True - the same holds true for a number of "fiction" authors such as Serling, Richard Mattheson, they both wrote about space travel - and within the decade - it was a reality. Even the idea of Artifiacial Intelligence was introduced by both of these men. Today it isa reality. I'm not sure how far we can take this though. Parallel universes - worm holes - moving backward and forward in time... though we can imagine these things on the "silver screen", the reality of it may still be a long way off. If ever. |
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it's not something thats a long way off or something thats going to happen though it might, it is something that has happened a loooooooooong time ago -
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In order to accept the modern scientific interpretation of carbon dating - the event of the flood must be denied, for immersion in water effects the ability to accurate carbon date anything. (I don't know much about accurate carbon dating vs water.) But what you are saying is that you are restricted in considering the validity of science because you are 'married to' your belief in the story of the flood. Have you carefully compared any real evidence for the flood as apposed to real evidence in contradiction to the flood or are you believing in the flood on faith alone? Have you looked into the science of carbon dating or did you quickly reject it because it would require that you reject your current belief based on faith in the Bible being accurate? Ask anyone who thinks the world is a billion years or so old, and you will have found someone who denies the flood. So - to me, there is no justification for dating anything before the flood by this method. Okay, so if I understand you correctly, you reject science completely, opting to believe the literal translation in the Bible. I guess that is your option. I can't argue these points with you on that premise. JB As to the carbon dating - yes, I've looked into it, and it is an imperfect science. There is an acceptable amount of truth to it if the controls are such that the experiments are not corrupted - but they have gone the other way with tests. Burried items and submerged them in water for a period of years, and they carbon dated to be over a few thousand years. This tends to throw a bit of doubt on the reliability of projecting the accuracy of this into the "billions" of years IMO. And no - I do not reject science completely. However science is not infallable - it is ever evolving, and not expected to represent an absolute truth on what it claims. I recall science telling me Pluto was a planet in my youth. Apparently - now - it's not. I just don't take the word of the "indisputable evidence" of science to dictate what I percieve to be true or not - especially in the realm of studies of small groups of test objects projected onto the populous as a whole. Here too - I don't blindly disreguard the findings of science. I don't see the subject as "all or nothing" in terms of what I believe. |
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voileazur,
You are a 'we' (one), to the 'we' in me (IMHO), that gets the 'we' in all of 'we's (us)!!! That's the only thing you were confused about: my most likely unclear first take at it!!! So what you are saying is what I have been saying all along. Everything is connected, therefore we are all one. Is this correct? If this is your belief, what does that mean to you personally? If the illusion of being separate individuals is a condition 'we' are experiencing now, what do you suppose was 'our' purpose for manifesting an illusion of being separate individuals? Also, what do you believe our next step (or purpose) is? To go back to being one again? If so, why? Haven't we experienced that enough? If we are all one, do you think that we are an infinite one? If so what makes you think or believe that? (I have thought about these things and I have my own ideas on the answers, I just want to hear your thoughts on it.) JB |
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In order to accept the modern scientific interpretation of carbon dating - the event of the flood must be denied, for immersion in water effects the ability to accurate carbon date anything. (I don't know much about accurate carbon dating vs water.) But what you are saying is that you are restricted in considering the validity of science because you are 'married to' your belief in the story of the flood. Have you carefully compared any real evidence for the flood as apposed to real evidence in contradiction to the flood or are you believing in the flood on faith alone? Have you looked into the science of carbon dating or did you quickly reject it because it would require that you reject your current belief based on faith in the Bible being accurate? Ask anyone who thinks the world is a billion years or so old, and you will have found someone who denies the flood. So - to me, there is no justification for dating anything before the flood by this method. Okay, so if I understand you correctly, you reject science completely, opting to believe the literal translation in the Bible. I guess that is your option. I can't argue these points with you on that premise. JB That JB, is a perfect example of 'BEING RELIGIOUS', and not even realizing that you're 'BEING RELIGIOUS'!!! Again, '... a superstition is 'in force' only for those whom don't see it as a superstition, but as the thruth!!!...' How many years of badluck for walking under a ladder??? ... is no different than '... carbon dating CANNOT be true because the flood thing, in THE book, says OTHERWISE. AND THE FLOOD THING IN THE BOOK, WELL DIDN'T YOU KNOW, IS THE SAME AS WALKING UNDER A LADDER !!! IT'S THE TRUTH!!!...' Can't hold a 'being pragmatic' conversation, with someone 'being religious', and can't hold a 'being religious' conversation, with someone 'being pragmatic'!!! No judgement, JUST DIFFERENT DENSITY WATERS; they'll never mix!!! Please Voile. Give me a little credit here. I've gotten in numerous discussions about this, and I don't base my opinion on the fact that it contradicts scripture - but that it contradicts itself! Most of the people who have told me that they believe the world is billions of years old due to carbon dating know nothing about it the science. Just that they believe what they've been told because they've no reason not to. Isn't that just as bad as "blindly believing scripture" bas you say? Well - the numbers who blindly believe in a world that is billions of years old FAR outnumber those who blindly follow scripture. The difference being - that at least most of those people who believe in scripture have bothered to READ IT! |
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