Tradition is a hard thing to let go of. They killed Yahshua to keep it..Shalom..Miles

By the way JB,

from my answer to your 'egyptian' post, and in line with your latest on the need for 'dramatic transforming' and a new 'technology of the thruth',
... does it not fascinate you that the historical records of the religious premise and mindset of the egyptians (wrath of god(s)), hasn't much changed to this day, given the numerous 'egyptian mindset disciples' on this very forum???

Aren't those the true dividends of taking a more rigorous look at all the religious stuff, from a 'being' other than 'religious'?!?!?

??? what????

Don't mind me tribo. The post was addressed to JB.

I'm just the host, and I am trying to sneek-in an 'ON-TOPIC' exchange which would stretch more than 2 posts in a row!!!

"Fascinating" is not the word I would use.

(Horrified, depressed, frustrated, disappointed, perhaps.)

My "fascination" strikes me only now, as I think about the workings of the human mind and consciousness, and what we truly are as creatures, or human beings.

Are we (humans) no better than programmable biological machines? Do we have self consciousness? Can we think for ourselves apart from our conditioning? Are we aware of ourselves? If so, what are we?

Are we merely programmed bodies designed to survive and procreate? Are we being manipulated by someone more intelligent than us? Are we being brainwashed?

These are my questions, and they are a little depressing to think about.

I had such high hopes for humanity.

JB

hope this is on Topic.

Yes Jb we are being Brainwashed everytime we watch the News

the answer is - NOPE - so quit being depressed

Will we break away from our controllers? If so, when?
I still have high hopes for the human element, the human experience, the human consciousness.



(Mixed emotions)

As the host do you not see giving evidence from a book such as the bible or torah ....etc out of topic here ?.

Sam,

Actually the topic is about religions but not from the standpoint of "being religious."

So the goal is to look a religions outside of a professed belief in any of them.

JB

jb

Will ""be"" break away from our controllers? If so, when?
I still have high hopes for the human element, the human experience, the human consciousness

tribo

i presume you mean 'we" instead of "be" if so then yes because we have no controllers, we just don't realize it yet or more clearly we have forgotten who we are, we are only starting to find out now once again. i asked another who knows my thought on this and he asked how far have we fallen my reply was i don't think will know till we climb back up there again. so is there hope for mankind? well - not as we know mankind today but there is hope that "some" will find there way back. Those who keep their minds open to all thats around them and in them and all else.

Dear Sam,

If you had been following the magical chaotic life of its own, that this thread has embraced, you would not have asked that question.

You would instead realize that people whom can't get off their 'being religious' automatic mode, (distinct from the ones whom choose not to get off it, and realize it, and are responsible for it), are the true fanatics on this planet, and there is nothing you can say, much less 'OFF TOPIC!!!', that bring them back to earth.

'From chaos comes bliss!!!' ... is the modus operandi of this thread, such that we not only tolerate, but fully allow our delusional fanatical friends to go at it, and who knows, maybe in the process, they will have a moment of bliss themselves, and start playing 'BaseKey' with JB and ME!!! (woops!!! that almost sounds suggestive!!! Sorry about that JB!)

Yes I meant "we."

Yes we have forgotten who we are.

Yes we are beginning to remember, little by little.

But frantically our controllers are trying to hang onto us. (Which they will fail to do.)

Yes "some" will find their way back.

I understand this level of speak although it is somewhat "spiritual" and out of the current box.

So many levels of communication here. hummmmmmm...

JB

nothin spritual about it jellybean, it's just what it is. we have forgotten who we are and where we came from originally, and until we remember we will live the life we have now. many will not remember but many also will, at least that's my hope. we are not manipulated, we just don't remeber is all. or at least most donot or cannot - its a crazy world right now, to many other things to dwell upon and the boob tube destroys the mind with it's incessent clatter. yet people have come to worship it more than any religion that's ever existed -

miles........if anything have a complete understanding of what it speak, then what reference material will be needed?

you quote many things that any hearer would have to read first.......

then climb into your mind, and re-live all your expereinces,

have all the same love and fears you have,

have the personality you have,

be born for the same purpose as you,

i am afraid time will not allow such a lofty venture....

but indeed, if one spoke not proof of what they believe, but rather what they believed in yes and no, then understanding of another could happen fairly quickly........

then one could be of the same mind, and know just what you see and feel, bypassing all that is not possible anyways, and common beliefs could be built as all have them.........

can this be possible?

why anything that be more truth has to have it's OWN words, and surely the principles of what one believed would have to be able to be understood by a child easily, or our children would run in fright of complexity, lol.........



i did not ask you to PROVE why yaweh was the "one name" good or god or true, but rather a question that has not yet been answered, "WOULD BELIEVING IN ONE NAME RESTRICT MORE UNDERSTANDING OR WISDOM".........

if you say no, then so be it.......

if you say yes, then so be it.......

i only aksed the question because you had written great wisdom that to put anything into a "box" within the mind, cut oneself off from more wisdom, but see now you were speaking of all others that do not believe as you do, and not of yourself as well.......no problem, it is indeed human nature of all mankind, lol..........

if one heed their own wisdom, it is wisdom of the heart....

if one look at all others thru it to judge, then it is wisdom of the mind, and does not have power to create for itself as every heart does, but if the mind be removed, and all that one believe in every principle be applied to oneself, then power that can move mountians into the sea is born...........

what be god more then what create good, and what be satan more than that create bad......

how can any name ONE NAME transcend all religions, unless one think that the truth will vindicate ONE RELIGION and curse all the rest, but then indeed, perhpas that is what you believe.......IS IT?

do you believe that ONE RELIGION contain all the truth?

not WHY you believe it will, but just an answer of yes or no, if you wish to give it.......peace

and thanks a million for all the effort and time, as you are a precious dear one and this comes from the heart......ben

~~~

A zillion posts in a row
and not one of them can show
coherence to the landscape
of a scholarly plateau

Zeus's thread is riddled
with idle conversations
and silly pious poetry
that exceeds his expectations

Miles is seeking Yahweh
Rapunzel's seeking Chivalry
And Zeus is only hoping
to see comments that are drivel-free

JB says that truth's elusive
Eljay says it's all conclusive
Tribo wants a whole new game
whilst Abra's still reclusive

Smiless' just reads in silence
other's do the same
they fear that if they post their thoughts
they'll be charged to be insane

Everyone is treading light
they're eating popcorn as they read
Who's beliefs will turn out right?
And who's beliefs will bleed?

~~~

The 'we' you are referring to JB, isn't IMHO the 'seperable' 'we' from the of perverse religions of past, that TRIBO speaks of: the 'some' whom might get it, according to Tribo,

... are the controllers as you call them JB.

This humanity stands as ONE! whether our neo-cortex plays this illusion of separateness or not, 'WE' is 'ME' is 'ONE'!!!

One figures it, 'WE' figures it!!!

Anything else is the 'I' losing battle illusion'' which this forums and all other media for the 'I' reinforce.

It's the lie, and our 'I' confuses it for the truth.

Listen carefully, the confusion is everywhere JB.

Or maybe not ?!?!? You're not confused JB, are you?!?!?

'we' thinks not! And the others are not confused either!!!

Contrary to Tribo, 'we' remember, all of us.

We have just stopped listening! All of us!!!

Too busy 'we' all are playing the 'I' controller games!!!

Davidben

Yes it is the key to scripture. Yahshua was the one on the mercy seat in the Temple in the name of Yahweh.

We are the Temple now made without hands.

Any strange fire brought into that temple is destroyed the same as Aarons sons were.

This is speaking to those who have heard the good News.

Why do you think i have no problem with those who do not believe questioning and saying what they do.

they have wisdom that i need. This is a spiritual battle. No wise army goes to battle not knowing what the other army is capable of.

The word who is Yahshua is sharper than any two edged sword.

So Yes refusing Yahshua is refusing Yahweh..Shalom...Miles


I might as well put it all out thier for all who say they believe to see. As the question you asked is pinpointed.

Blaspemy of the Holy Spirit which will not be forgiven in this world or the next.

That is the 3rd commandment.

Yahweh or Yahshua does not say anything that is not written in the word for you to find as an absolute and not a guess.

The 3rd commandment word vain. Actual meaning is bring to nothingness. to destroy, destruction.

This is what satan is trying to do Destroy the name of Yahweh for one of his own. Then they follow him and the whole world is decieved.

We see in Lev. no Mercy given t6o a man who blasmpmene the name of Yahweh.

To you any other name is to Blaspeme the name of Yahweh as you call upon another and decree him as the creator of all things..

This is not a thing to be messed with.

What did I tell you!!!

The safety net of the circus!!!

It all comes togeter in the end!!!

Some also call the 'MAGIC' of the circus, and 'Abracadabra' is the magical glue (sorry that is 'cue' or is it)!!!'