You are so kind, so protective & chivalrous Miles...


thank you very very much ...

i am not sure why

you think my reply is too ethereal ...


I am of the belief that God is very ethereal...

to me, trying to put a spiritual infinite God

into a tiny physical box with a label


can be compared to

trying to put all of the oceans of the world

into a tiny zip loc bag

and see if it holds

We would get along fine then. I am guilty of mounds of sloth. I wish we lived closer. We could hang out and be slothful together.

I am so slothful, I have not painted lately though and my painter personality is getting depressed.

JB

Sorry, typo. I meant "conserved".

Thanks for pointing that out while I still had time to edit.

I'm losing my ablity to think clearly and type clearly. It's a miracle that I do as well as I do.

So those who want to witness a miracle just read my posts.

They are still probably riddled with typos, but it's truly a miracle that they aren't much worse than they are.

miles.......hearing words you speak with much wisdom from the heart, as the heart hold the wisdoms of the universe, and is said to be where god reside......

would not to believe in one name as this yashua leave the heart closed to more.......there were many names mentioned in text, and what one be greater than another? you say the interpretations of man down thru time have filtered understanding, and indeed this be VERY true agreed, but this filter's root seems to be hearing some words as better or more truth than others, not allowing the heart to decern ALL things, as no HEARING of ALL things can be possible with this filter........peace

tsk,tsk,tsk, yu willl neber see ty pohs on enee uf mye postt, i refoose to forgiff yu!!

I was actually thinking about editing my profile and saying, "Slothy Woman Wanted"

I love sloth. Far too much. I genuinely worship it without even trying or wanting to!

It has possessed me. I have been possessed by the demon of Sloth!

I really need to get this dragon off my back, and you do help me with that Jeannie. You serioiusly do even though you are totally unaware of it.

Today you've made me realize that I am the creator of truth.

I clearly see that now. I can change the truth of my existence using nothing more than my own will. The world truly is at my command. All I need to do is slay this dragon of Sloth and get busy changing the truths of my existence.

I AM Creator! Here me Soar!

I think I feel a song coming on. Now if I can just get that 'other tune' out of my head maybe I could write an original melody.

I'm sure miles will appreciate your words R so I'll leave it up to him to defend your honor then - sincerely tribo -

And here I was believing that you were a merciful Dog.

That'll teach me to have faith without poof.

Poof poof!

She argued the 'NUMBERS' versus the 'MYTHS' side of the equation.

She's on the 'NUMBERS' team!!!

Others are the legitimate 'MYHTS' team!!! (Certain theologians, philosophers, poets, writers, etc.)

Others are yet on the 'being religious' or 'being anti-religious' primitive reflex, belong to no team at all, and are unfotunately lost in the cosmic field 'confusionism'!!!

Play hockey or play baseball makes little difference in the end.

But damn it, if you're going to play either, know the rules, play the game, and stop imposing baseball rules to hockey, and hockey rules to baseball!!!

The distinction between religion (myth) and science (numbers) has been made a hell of a long time ago. THEY DON'T MIX. DIFFERENT GAMES! DIFFERENT RULES!!!

While science dispell commonplce myths everyday, IT WILL NEVER DISPLELL RELIGIOUS MYHTS!!! Religious myths do not belong to a game with rules which allow for, or have the will for the destruction of myths!!!

No more than religions will ever be able to use science to 'PROVE' their myths. Eventhough science has inspired man to dream-up some of the greatest stories, science is not a game with rules whic allow for the telling of stories, such that they are proven stories. Science only tells NUMBERS, ... and it is people that tell stories ABOUT THE NUMBERS!!!

This has benn raised and presented earlier on this thread:

"... So on this forum, like elsewhere in life, the fundamental question is: 'HOW DO SCIENCE AND RELIGION DIFFER???'.

From a pragmatic standpoint, which is the perspective chosen for THIS dicussion (FORGET IT!!!), the only effective distinction resides in the FORM we attribute to the power or powers to which humanity and the universe in which it exists, are subjected to.

In the case of science,
... the powers take the shape of NUMBERS,

whereas for religion,
... the shapes of the power(s) are characters (superhumans and humans), suited with attributes, and very human and emotional qualities, all impossible to measure (numbers), and held together inside the construct of MYTHS.

So given that 'MYTHS' and 'NUMBERS' are the only useful distinctions, to tell the religions apart from other social phenomenons, we will have to keep this heterogeneous notion in mind all the way through our exploration..."


NUMBERS!!! AND MYTHS!!! are part the human universe

HOCKEY!!! AND BASEBALL!!! are part of the universe of sports.

But in each their own domain, no matter how sincere the debates, the 2 respective elements will never 'mix' !!!

oh tribo ...


you don't need to worry about my Honor


but thank you anyway !!!


my Honor is intact and always will be !!!

my Honor has been defended many times .

by people long before i ever knew you existed

and many years before this site ever existed...


but it's still nice to see chivalrous gentlemen

and Miles happens to be one

of the rare breed of men

among many others

I have had the pleasure of knowing !!!

I am troubled by absolutes.

I personally am skeptical of the word "never."

Therefore I am skeptical of this assertion.

JB

Baseball and hockey will NEVER mix!!!

'BaseKey' will be a whole other game, with its own rules!!! But BAseKey hasn't been thought-up yet JB!!!

Is this more palatable???

Davidben
Thanks

As far as thier being one name.

Acts 4:11-12
1 This is the 'stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.' 12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."
NKJV

Now clearly it says one name. All these names we are told about are descriptive verbs of who he is.

Your name is davidben here. If I said he is a good guy. That does not mean you name is now "good guy"


Isa. Points to this in several places. His name Yahshua literally means Yahweh is Salvation. Even in this he is saying who is the true creator. His father Yahweh. As you had pointed out in another post that they are 2 joined at the hip but still seperate. He said he brought nothing new niether did he say anything that was not told him.

So see Yahshua came in his fathers name Yahweh.

We are told in Rev.

Rev 14:1

Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father's name written on their foreheads
NKJV

His Fathers name as we are called to be adopted sons as in 1John3.

1 John 3:1
3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of Yahweh: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
KJV

A son takes on his fathers name. We can not deny his name as the Hebrew letters for Yahweh are YHWH are found over 6900 times in the OT. The transciptists injected LORD in capitals to mask how often YHWH was thier.

This is deliberate and most bibles in the preface will tell you this. Most people do not read the preface of thier bibles.

As hard as they tried to get the names out of the bible they could not as the scribes made mistakes. Mainly through Joshua the son of NUN.

They do not have a problem writing that. Up untill 50 years ago Heb 4:8 had a mistake.

Now notice the KJV who so many claim is so Holy. What it says.

Heb 4:8

8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
KJV

Now I ask you is this a true statement?

Now here is the NKJV and most all others bibles rendition of that verse.

Heb 4:8

8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day.
NKJV

Which one is correct? One has to be wrong.

What happened is they both had the same name. As they were inserting JC everywhere Yahshua was to cover up the name they made a mistake at this verse.

I believe Yahweh let them as it is said about the Lying Pen of the Scribe.


But everyone wants to hold onto JC. It does not matter they say.

Is the Bible true or not? If it does not matter can I call upon Budda? Mohammad? Vishnu?

Will I still be saved? Does it matter Now DavidBen?


I will leave you to think about something Yahshua gave us to let us know what Evangel was the one he taught at this time and all through history.

What does this really tell us?

John 5:43-44
43 I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.
NKJV

Has this come true? Blessings..Miles

Yes.

So what you mean by "in their own domain" is in their current state... they will never mix.

I can see how both will have to transform dramatically if any mixing be done.

And perhaps a new "technology" of truth will manifest.

JB

Finally!!!

Two posts in a row that are RIGHT ON TOPIC!!!

It's a new homologated JSH record folks !!!

Remember this moment!

You won't see anyhting like it anytime soon!!!

hey R, miles did not post that i did check it out but its ok - he'd be a better defender anyway i was just being sarcastic.

what is a myth and what is a lie......

all things can be made to be true, by the perception of any being........what does not see thru a perception of good and bad, which block wisdom of ingesting bad without bias, and being given wisdom to change root, which does not seek to control behavior at all, but rather the perception that created any behavior lacking in wisdom............

there is nothing even it be a myth that does not contain truth.......

does not every lie contain part truth, so what wisdom can be had if the mind stop at the conclusion of "LIE" as wisdom

what that believe in infinite power or a god, can NOT believe also that no human have more power, which then give power to the "heart" to accept the bad it hear of others in in "mind", but give the heart the courage and wisdom to answer back the rest of the truth.........

if a speaker deem a hearer as ignorant that does not hear it's words, then what wisdom more can the speaker ever find, as the buck stops then with each that did not hear the speaker, which in time, make perception of the speaker that many are ignorant, lol..........peace

is not the mind just an observer of the conscious world, and of it's own conscious self and words, but the heart is where the two edged sword of truth come from, which answer back the truth of anything the observer the conscious mind see........

if the heart be spoken, with greater power than any mind, it also can create any good at will, and even things no mind can create, even things human hands cannot, and why only the heart hold the keys to life and death, and heaven and hell....peace

DB1,

you wax philisophical way to much, tell me what you are about - what is truth to you what do you hold dear to your heart? explain to me concisely what you personally believe? do you have a core belief? is it christianity, judism, muslim,atheist, please tel me so i know where your coming from and the others here also - thnx

sincerely tribo