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Topic: WIDOWS AND WIDOWERS - part 2
Dodo_David's photo
Sat 06/01/13 09:12 PM
I'm a widower.

sparkey01's photo
Sun 06/02/13 08:15 AM
It will be 6 years this fall for me. I find the cold gloomy months the worst. Looking forward to the sun and heat. I hope everyone can find some shine shine in their lives.

teadipper's photo
Tue 06/04/13 08:19 AM
I am sorry for all of your losses. That is just so tragic.

Makes me mad that so many people lost their sig. other and the scammers always say they are widowers. It's just not right.

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Wed 10/23/13 11:57 PM
Edited by mg1959 on Thu 10/24/13 12:02 AM
You know it's kinda weird in a way that this falls under misc advice, help & support. I guess support is cool, maybe.

We have forums for parenting and dog lovers, yet being a widow is one needing help?

I have to get my mind around this a minute. Does this mean I have an illness? Does this mean I need pitty?

I think being a widow is more than a support group thing, it's a way of life for many of us. For a lot of us who had really special relationships we don't look at our bond as something that went bad. It's more that nature took it's course and honestly almost all of us will be widowed sooner or later. Young or old the same pain is there.

What to do with our lives might be kinda tricky (at least for a while), but there's a lot more that goes with this than the missing and sadness and the way others look at us. For me and a lot of others it simply comes down to, if the passing wouldn't have happened we would probably still be with our loves.

I can only speak for me but I think that is a good quality and no one should be threatened by the fact that I still love my partner. I think some feel that this means there is no room for them. If he or she still loves them than where do I fit in?

When someone passes there is a love, but all the rest of the "love" functions are there too or still and not always as damaged as you think. Our love turns into honor, but most of us (not all) do move on and a lot of times move on with a very healthy understanding of love cause we did it "till death do us part". A lot of us were and are the faithful and we have been through the lesson of excepting another for who they are. We didn't have a trashed out relationship, but for ones like me at least one that worked. Of course I'm going to miss that and of course that's what I would look for again, why wouldn't I?

Once we get over ourselves and our other half (which may take forever for some), we get to the point that we still have half of a great relationship to give. We are not bringing drama and baggage (at least no more than anyone else), we are not passing on our spite to the next person. In reality we are bringing something that worked and we would like to share in it again.

Maybe we are more picky, and I think some more desperate, but we are at a level of understanding that is unigue, and maybe more compassionate than someone who comes from relationships of hard knocks.

I think for all of us it's a matter of living a life that is maturity bound or living a life that is self seeking till the day we die. These people so stuck on looks or things that they can not find their own true heart or who to share it with is sad to me. I think a lot of widows are just people who were ready to run the race till the end then we were caught by surprise that our running mate didn't make it through the whole race. It's more than an adjustment, but the values of loyalty never passed, our better half did.

For those looking to move passed your loss, I hope the pain doesn't have you settle, and for those looking for someone who knows how to run the good race, get to know the person and how they really lived with their other half. If you feel weird about their love and commitment talk to them about it, you might find it to be a blessing, and I really doubt if you will be living a life of competition cause that's not what it is really about for the mature ones.

For me, I'm older now and can only pass on what I have learned through experience. For those seeing a widow, or been widowed give yourselves a gift and talk about it. If the other has understanding of true love and how it works your part way there.

be good to you :)

PacificStar48's photo
Sat 10/26/13 01:52 PM
Wow am I glad to see this thread. I have been widowed many years but I am just getting to the "typical" age to be a widow for most widow groups. There are so many nuances that are so different to being single or divorced that I plan to read this thread through out and keep bumping it because I do think it is a subset like being a Vet or a single parent and we can be supportive of each other.

I will say it does get better with time. I have had a life that at times has been really good and keeps me hopeful that it will continue to be so.

And yes winter does seem much harder and getting through the holidays is easier if you plan new traditions and peer support because family, in my experience can make it even harder. Especially if your Date of Loss is during the holidays.

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Sat 10/26/13 06:52 PM
agreed

It really does have it's own place. For a long time I didn't know if it was me being different about things or if it was because of the widowed proccess that made me think the way I did or even do now.

PacificStar48's photo
Sat 10/26/13 08:41 PM
Yea it is different.

Some things that knock me out is the resentment that I run into for collecting my survivor's benifits. It is not like I didn't pay for the coverage or that I would not be more than glad to trade it for a husband who could be a partner. I am more or less frozen at our standard of living when he died or what I can earn which is significantly lower because I was the traditional wife taking major career hits following his.

Seems like people insist of thinking they are competeing with the departed when he was no more perfect than anyone living that is basically a nice guy.

I am tired of feeling like I must be defective or deserving of punishment or somehow God would have spared my husband and my life would have had better "Karma". People say the dumbest things without even thinking how it effects the people that hear such dribble. I think sometimes I should have special keychains made for people who put their foot in their mouth and don't even seem to notice.

I have wonder if I shouldn't have a T-shirt made that says Not divorced and no I didn't kill him. lol

Man it so sucks being alone grieveing the loss of your parents and even their parents alone. Your kids sure are not into the whole process "again".

While I don't want to get in a gender discussion sometimes it would be nice if I could have been a widower because they sure seem llke more of a commodity than being a widow.

Rizajune's photo
Sun 10/27/13 02:03 AM
I've never been married. But I already had lost two bf's while we're still in a our relationship. The first one happened whenI was 18. My bf that time was a Marine soldier, we lasted for a year. He was declared missing after their operation in a very critical area in Davao City. It happened almost five years ago and since then, I never heared about him or even recovering his dead body if he's really dead. But I've been hoping that he is still alive. The other bf I had lost died last year, month of June. It's unexpected. He died 7 days before my birthday. It's so hard because I was not on his side when he was dying from pain. I could still remember the last words he had told me. "Good night, I love you and you have to visit me tomorrow." I have to sleep now." Then just after 5 minutes after he fall asleep, he died. It was in the middle of the night when I was awaken by phone calls, then I heared the worst news. My love was already gone. I just cry out loud and I felt like I was dying too. So bad it happened.

PacificStar48's photo
Sun 10/27/13 10:04 AM

I've never been married. But I already had lost two bf's while we're still in a our relationship. The first one happened whenI was 18. My bf that time was a Marine soldier, we lasted for a year. He was declared missing after their operation in a very critical area in Davao City. It happened almost five years ago and since then, I never heared about him or even recovering his dead body if he's really dead. But I've been hoping that he is still alive. The other bf I had lost died last year, month of June. It's unexpected. He died 7 days before my birthday. It's so hard because I was not on his side when he was dying from pain. I could still remember the last words he had told me. "Good night, I love you and you have to visit me tomorrow." I have to sleep now." Then just after 5 minutes after he fall asleep, he died. It was in the middle of the night when I was awaken by phone calls, then I heared the worst news. My love was already gone. I just cry out loud and I felt like I was dying too. So bad it happened.


Sorry you had these experiences.

While my comments do NOT apply to you personally I hope it is food for thought in future relationships.

When dating military one rarely has any status as a girlfriend. Even if they are a long term girlfriend and exclusive. Even if they have received an engagement ring and they have professed they want to marry. (These often cheap, some times fake, diamonds are called "***** passes" because once the ring is on the finger the girl believes and starts allowing sex even though the guy never plans to actually marry. Since the ring is much cheaper than paying for a prostitute and some believe is less risk of STD's or being injured by a pimp until an outraged brother, father, or worse Mother, maybe even girlfriend, or victim corners the guy and exacts revenge. Not all military deaths are service connected.

Sometimes his friends will tell you basics but if the person themselves doesn't tell someone you are the significant other , he give you a limited Power of Attorney, or at least gives you a family contact in case of emergency but you are out of luck to know anything because of strict confidentiality regulations.

Most stateside families will quickly and quietly ignore your existence if they don't openly make it clear to the military to tell you nothing as they erase any trace of you from their little darlings "public" records. Sometimes when families find out they actively work to discourage the relationship and actually participate in the con game. The guy goes home, sometimes dishonorably discharged, but they marry a local girl like they are a hero returned and you never existed.

Often if you make friends with these creeps friends you only risk being lied to and taken advantage of in the guise of sympathy. Creeps finding themselves on orders to be rotated to another assignment have been known to sell their knowledge of you for a case of beer or less. While you find them attentive, kind, advanced they are only working from a cheat sheet how to con you.

This kind of distance and lack of information usually suggests you are yet another young female being played for the time being and the death scenario is just a ruse to vanish so you or family members will not pursue them for "justice".

While Chain of Command "officially" frowns on such hanky panky an manipulation of civilians they often "excuse" it as the price women who date military members hoping to become dependents of the military risk.

Sadly these "problem" service members usually leave a wake of several heart broken sweethearts and sometimes illegitimate children for the thrill of getting letters, pictures, and other comforts such as food, jewelry, electronics, or even drugs and invitations to "local" parties.

It is very hard on families but sometimes even they turn on the victims and the devastated young women who learn this painful fact of life sometimes years later when they have become too old to marry local bachelors that have disqualified them as "camp followers".

Also means that the nice guys who would fall in love and actually marry a nice local girl are seen as suspect and take an enormous amount of grief.

That said if a guy is having regular phone contact with a female and dies usually someone will contact you if only a military investigator so it sounds like you were duped maybe twice.

Another possibility is one or both of these guys committed suicide or went AWOL so you may actually be lucky the relationships end. While it rarely gives closer sometimes it is mistakenly told as a kindness so a young woman moves on thinking they lost a hero rather than adding the burden of a zero.

One thing investigators rarely find worth over looking in researching the death of a service member is someone who has been involved in a similar circumstance. So anyone pretending to be twice the grieving fianc� sounds suspicious and could get one banned from military bases or any place military members are allowed to visit declared off limits. Might make it nearly impossible to get a passport and or fly commercially. With military bases on heightened alert for terrorism doing anything that puts one on a watch list is definitely worth avoiding.


PacificStar48's photo
Mon 10/28/13 12:14 PM


I've never been married. But I already had lost two bf's while we're still in a our relationship. The first one happened whenI was 18. My bf that time was a Marine soldier, we lasted for a year. He was declared missing after their operation in a very critical area in Davao City. It happened almost five years ago and since then, I never heared about him or even recovering his dead body if he's really dead. But I've been hoping that he is still alive. The other bf I had lost died last year, month of June. It's unexpected. He died 7 days before my birthday. It's so hard because I was not on his side when he was dying from pain. I could still remember the last words he had told me. "Good night, I love you and you have to visit me tomorrow." I have to sleep now." Then just after 5 minutes after he fall asleep, he died. It was in the middle of the night when I was awaken by phone calls, then I heared the worst news. My love was already gone. I just cry out loud and I felt like I was dying too. So bad it happened.


Thinking about my post to this and think it is worth adding that regardless of the risks of dating military men that turn out to be heart ache for one reason or another it is still one of the greatest blessings in life if you luck into a good one. AND there are a lot of Good Ones.

While the majority of my career was working with "soldiers with problems" the number of "problem soldiers" was really very low considering the age and extream demands of the profession. Even in hard times most soldiers (I use the term generically for any legitimate military member) soldiers will look for solutions and conduct themselves honorably. Yes The Mission often demands a lot from anyone who chooses to see the soldier in the uniform but it is usually more than worth the sacrifice in my book. More often than not I have seen soldiers put friends, fianc�e's, and family in a better position than they have ever been in their lives. Even with low pay, substandard housing, and complicated medical systems and chronic stress from being used to the max and then dropped from the system on the whim of taxpayers that falsely use them as the scape goat for our own economic poor planning. Many are devoted husbands and excellent father's; and yes mother's. They are often respectful of parents and culture's they have little prior experience with and can be devoted long term friends. Yea there are some "bad apples and sadly they do cause some real misery but if you are blessed to be chosen by a good soldier and they make you part of the military family you are a lucky person indeed.

Sorry you had these experiences.

While my comments do NOT apply to you personally I hope it is food for thought in future relationships.

When dating military one rarely has any status as a girlfriend. Even if they are a long term girlfriend and exclusive. Even if they have received an engagement ring and they have professed they want to marry. (These often cheap, some times fake, diamonds are called "***** passes" because once the ring is on the finger the girl believes and starts allowing sex even though the guy never plans to actually marry. Since the ring is much cheaper than paying for a prostitute and some believe is less risk of STD's or being injured by a pimp until an outraged brother, father, or worse Mother, maybe even girlfriend, or victim corners the guy and exacts revenge. Not all military deaths are service connected.

Sometimes his friends will tell you basics but if the person themselves doesn't tell someone you are the significant other , he give you a limited Power of Attorney, or at least gives you a family contact in case of emergency but you are out of luck to know anything because of strict confidentiality regulations.

Most stateside families will quickly and quietly ignore your existence if they don't openly make it clear to the military to tell you nothing as they erase any trace of you from their little darlings "public" records. Sometimes when families find out they actively work to discourage the relationship and actually participate in the con game. The guy goes home, sometimes dishonorably discharged, but they marry a local girl like they are a hero returned and you never existed.

Often if you make friends with these creeps friends you only risk being lied to and taken advantage of in the guise of sympathy. Creeps finding themselves on orders to be rotated to another assignment have been known to sell their knowledge of you for a case of beer or less. While you find them attentive, kind, advanced they are only working from a cheat sheet how to con you.

This kind of distance and lack of information usually suggests you are yet another young female being played for the time being and the death scenario is just a ruse to vanish so you or family members will not pursue them for "justice".

While Chain of Command "officially" frowns on such hanky panky an manipulation of civilians they often "excuse" it as the price women who date military members hoping to become dependents of the military risk.

Sadly these "problem" service members usually leave a wake of several heart broken sweethearts and sometimes illegitimate children for the thrill of getting letters, pictures, and other comforts such as food, jewelry, electronics, or even drugs and invitations to "local" parties.

It is very hard on families but sometimes even they turn on the victims and the devastated young women who learn this painful fact of life sometimes years later when they have become too old to marry local bachelors that have disqualified them as "camp followers".

Also means that the nice guys who would fall in love and actually marry a nice local girl are seen as suspect and take an enormous amount of grief.

That said if a guy is having regular phone contact with a female and dies usually someone will contact you if only a military investigator so it sounds like you were duped maybe twice.

Another possibility is one or both of these guys committed suicide or went AWOL so you may actually be lucky the relationships end. While it rarely gives closer sometimes it is mistakenly told as a kindness so a young woman moves on thinking they lost a hero rather than adding the burden of a zero.

One thing investigators rarely find worth over looking in researching the death of a service member is someone who has been involved in a similar circumstance. So anyone pretending to be twice the grieving fianc� sounds suspicious and could get one banned from military bases or any place military members are allowed to visit declared off limits. Might make it nearly impossible to get a passport and or fly commercially. With military bases on heightened alert for terrorism doing anything that puts one on a watch list is definitely worth avoiding.



Rizajune's photo
Mon 10/28/13 08:40 PM
To PacificStar48, Thank you so much!!! No words can express how happy and thankful I am for you for sending a bunch of advices and your views to what I've experienced and to all the sweet hearts being broken from their relationships with some military man. I'm not here if I wasnt able to surpass all those painful trials. I still believe that everything will going to be okay as I continue the journey of life and to all the widows and widowers out there, Life has still a lot of beautiful things to offer and lets make the best out of it! God cares and be thankful to all the people who care and lend their helping hand.

PacificStar48's photo
Tue 10/29/13 11:58 AM
Good Sweets that is the attitude to have. You seem like a nice woman with a kind heart and I hope it is rewarded with a good mate soon.

Loosing a mate just before you think you are going to marry is a uniquely painful experience. People rarely know how to comfort and regardless if it is a loss by deception or a premature loss it is painful and signifigant to the person who is trying to regroup.

Dating a soldier is not an understood thing for most young women and many myths confuse the issues and sometimes complicate lives. Sad because it is really the innocents that suffer.

Someone told me that any tapestry has many threads and not all run the length of the garment but each contribute to it's beauty and strength. Someday the these short threads in your life will one day make you a better wife and mother because you have at least practiced at being loving and woven that into what you are.

Hopefully a comforting thought to you and others who wade through loss.

PacificStar48's photo
Tue 10/29/13 12:59 PM

I am sorry for all of your losses. That is just so tragic.

Makes me mad that so many people lost their sig. other and the scammers always say they are widowers. It's just not right.


Yea Tea you are right about people putting down widowed when in reality they are not.

I don't know if it is embarrassment or just outright fraud but it does seem to be that the definition flies kind of loose.

I don't see occassionaly shacking up and one dying as being a widow but had a neighbor that busted my chops all the time because I got a pension and she didn't.

I think I would have empathy for someone who lived long term which is real common now days. Don't recommend it because someone usually gets messed up in those deals and the more comingled finances and the older you get the more the families get involved.

I can't see why anyone would profess to be widowed to hide being single most of their adult life but I have seen that a couple times.

I think the thing that really topped it for me was a guy who actually murdered his wife and had the nerve to put himself down a widowed and attended widow support groups trolling. Guy fessed up he did felony time but it was only a peeved ex-in-law that really "out- ed" him.

I have wondered more than a few times how many spouses abuse or neglect their mates to death then dance around playing the widow card. Anybody widowed more than once would sure send up some serious red flags for me.

I think, don't agree with, people think it is alright to "fudge" on line. Maybe they start out just goofing around being a fantasy for a night. Maybe then feel stuck to come clean or as I have seen actually change or erase their profile. Seen more than one profile with the same pictures with a variety of statuses. Seen several that were widowed remarried and divorced that reverted to widowed. I have gotten kind of cynical until I see an obituary I really don't buy it. Too often I have found the "late wife" is alive an well sometimes actually living with them but usually it is just a girlfriend they forgot to mention. Love the ones that try to pass off a live in as a room mate because they were just so overwhelmed by greif they could not bear to live alone.

The thing about me is if you lie to me about even little things it hurts your credibility on the big things and if I am going to invest my life in somebody it is a big thing. Maybe everybody does lie but if they get caught lying to me it is done.

Where I get stuck is that some say that after a certain time you are not widowed but widowed by choice. English seems to be rather limited where I think other cultures may have a word that "indicates in mourning".

What is sad is so many people see divorced as a bad lable that someone has somehow done something wrong and been kicked to the curb as defective and they think being seen as widow somehow has less stigma.

I am really kind of sick of the whole lable concept. I am on a date site and until someone actually knows enough of the peripheral stuff why does it matter how I am single as long as I am?


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Mon 08/11/14 03:49 AM
Bump...for anyone in need of this forum.

Rizajune's photo
Mon 08/11/14 07:09 AM
It's been 10 mos now since I posted on this topic...& cant believe I would able to overcome the trials I've been through these past 6 years of my life, loosing my 2 bf's then the death of my mom and been having a hard time to cope... Whew! I'm thankful God made me a stronger young lady just like what I am right now. Pains and sorrows are always there, but this time I know its for my happiness :) I keep on believing that one day everything about my life will gonna be okay. It's just a matter of choice, whether we like it or not we have to move on and always find ways or reasons to smile and be happy. God will always be there to guide us no matter how hard or easy the life we are taking.

Everyting we experience has a great purpose,dont forget to lose hope & alsays keep your faith in God.


We just have to believe that we will make it after all...as long as we're alive there is a chance to make our life a better one.God takes away someone we love because He wants us to have a better one to be w/ on this world.

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Mon 08/11/14 05:57 PM



We just have to believe that we will make it after all...as long as we're alive there is a chance to make our life a better one.God takes away someone we love because He wants us to have a better one to be w/ on this world.



I am sorry for your losses. But I disagree with you on this last thing!

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Sun 08/17/14 10:39 AM
There is always a choice to either find the right person, lower expectations and settle with someone who is available, but not a true friend, partner and lover, or remain being alone, meaning no change, since that is already the case.
Joining online dating sites I was hoping to find a true soul-mate, but after both offline and online experience I got more realistic and lowered my expectations, so I am ready to settle with less, with just a friendship, or, to be more precise, basically an activity partner with similar life style.
I do not mean "friends with benefits", since I never had sex with any of my friends. For me a friendship is a friendship and an intimacy comes with deeper feelings that make it more than just a friendship.
I am neither married nor divorced dads surrogate mom and/or weekend toy, nor career men's way of saving the retirement money they would otherwise have to spend on women who could give them what they want. I am approached mostly by divorced dads with kids from other cities or single and never married professionals who see me as yet another adventure that may or may not turn into relationship with substance, but it doesn't really matter, because they are not really interested in more than just some "fun" (an actual word has the same first letter, but no need to be vulgar).
If there is nothing there but only chemistry, I'd rather skip it all together. Living without sex is no fun at all, but, if there is no other option, I'd rather give it up than base a relationship on it. Well, not just on sex, since some "smart ones" figured out there are other benefits they might use as well. Unfortunately, they think they are too smart and a widow would be easy to play with. What a pity! I lost time on figuring out their intentions and refusing them. The more times they try to use you and you say no, less you hope to find a sincere person with an opened heart and a fair-play on his mind.
Some friends tell me it is better to have a piece of cake than no cake at all, but they do not understand the difference between being single by choice, either by never getting married or after a divorce, and being alone because of losing the loved one.
If he was still here I wouldn't be looking for anyone else and neither would he. None of us was perfect, we both made mistakes; sometimes done well and sometimes failed, but it doesn't really matter - we deeply loved and cared for each other till death literally took us apart.
When I lost him my world collapsed. I didn't believe I could make it, but I did. I am back on my feet, with special place for him in my heart, but ready to love and be loved again. I do not seem to have any luck with finding someone serious, honest and ready to travel the life journey together.
Who knows, maybe I will find that special someone, but if I do not, well...life will go on.




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