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Topic: Belief or Betrayal
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Sat 06/14/08 08:23 AM




try it sometime funch every drop or molecule of color you add to another produces a different color ad infinitum, as to number's yes they are mans tool and serve a purpose but while in this body and with this mind - man could keep attaining a larger or smaller number. in truth - there only infinite as long as someone is here to use them or on other planes if they are used there also - as would be the case with colors also - so your correct in that sense.


colors are limited by the visible light that splits into and forms the spectrum...since a spectrum has a beginning and an end then how can colors therefore be infinite ..

also one could keep counting forever ..but without a reality to apply the counting to the numbers doesn't have an existence


Come, come funchesnoway noway

Perhaps you are looking at infinity with a limited mind.

Lets suppose scientist build a spaceship with a propulsion system powered by a small nuclear reactor. Now, the spaceship is travelling in an almost vacuumless environment of space, and the propulsion system does not increase the speed of the ship at a lightning speed, but the increase is continuous and steady!
I'm going to make up some numbers now but you should get the idea.
Lets say when the propulsion system kicks in the ship is traveling at 10,000 mph. With zero vacuum, every 12 hrs the ships speed increases speed by 60%. That means after the first 12 hrs the ship is travelling at 16,000 mph. After 12 more hrs it increases speed another 60%. Now its travelling at 25,600 mph. another 12 hrs, 40,960 mph, etc, etc, etc,.
Lets suppose the ship has enough nuclear fuel to continue to do this for 100 yrs. By using the gravitational pull of other planets and a computer system that can detect the pull, shutting off the propulsion system when not needed it can extend the fuel supply even longer.
How fast is it going when it finally runs out of fuel? Did it stop increasing in speed when the known numbering system stopped just because no one was around to count anymore? Couldn't you continue to make up new scientific notations as you needed them?
Now, suppose the ship is out of fuel, no propulsion but in Zero gravity it continues to coast at the speed it was going, or maybe it continues to speed up. How far will it travel? Will it stop when man runs out of numbers? Does the ship care that man runs out of numbers? Is there an unknown wall at the end of space that the ship will crash into and stop?
If you can answer any of these questions then I'll join you in your definition that infinity doesn't exist. If you can answer any of these questions then I'm sure NASA has a job opening for you. Because you see, the propulsion system and the ship I'm talking about is very close to reality.



geez "Fanta" this one was too easy ..the ship would be controlled by the laws of physics and could never get pass light speed ..once it's fuel supply is used up the ship would eventually be slowed down by the gravitional pull of the planets and slinged back the way it came and get trapped in an orbit like haley's comet and most likely never reach the end of space ..it would just become space debris

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Sat 06/14/08 08:38 AM

Or,
Lets go the other way.
Take the number 10 divide by two. Equals 5, right?
Divide by two. equals 2.5, right?
Divide by two. Equals 1.25, divide by two, equals .625, etc, etc, etc, When will it equal zero?
bigsmile

My guess, you could go on and on and on for the rest of your life and never equal zero. You could name a lot of unknowns for the world though!laugh laugh laugh laugh


er.. "Fanta"..so..er..you are going to count backwards in an attempt to equal zero? ...er..why? ... again numbers are only a tool to count reality and without a reality to count the numbers have no existence beyond one's mind ..so for someone to engage in doing what you are suggesting are either extremely bored or extremely delusional


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Sat 06/14/08 10:35 AM
How did it do that? (i.e. How did Christianity ruin my life)


I hold it responsible for creating (or at the very least, reinforcing) the heartless competitive society in which we live.

It would require a book to explain why I feel this way. So I’ll just say that I do, and leave it at that.

Just as a note, I realize that there are other non-Christian societies that are just as heartless and cold as our own. I don't deny that. However that doesn't change the fact that the religion contributes and reinforces this kind of mindset.

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Sat 06/14/08 10:44 AM
Funches wrote:

"Spidercmb" it appears that it is your belief that "belittles" others when it promise the followers that all others that do not believe will be tortured for an eternity ...doesn't that sounds hateful


Seriously Spider. How is this any different?

A religion that claims to have the only true word of God, and proclaims that everyone who doesn't believe in their religion is rejecting God, certainly has no room to be pointing fingers at other people claiming that they the one's who are guilty of belittling others.

By thier very proclamation they have belittled everyone and anyone who disagrees with their decree.

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Sat 06/14/08 10:52 AM

Funches wrote:

"Spidercmb" it appears that it is your belief that "belittles" others when it promise the followers that all others that do not believe will be tortured for an eternity ...doesn't that sounds hateful


Seriously Spider. How is this any different?

A religion that claims to have the only true word of God, and proclaims that everyone who doesn't believe in their religion is rejecting God, certainly has no room to be pointing fingers at other people claiming that they the one's who are guilty of belittling others.

By thier very proclamation they have belittled everyone and anyone who disagrees with their decree.

Abra, you are the king of the apples to oranges comparison.Queen of smoke and mirrors. Everytime I see your posts I think Oh God! It's Charlie Brown's teacher again! laugh Wah wah, wah waaaaaah wha wahhhh.laugh flowerforyou

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Sat 06/14/08 11:18 AM

Abra, you are the king of the apples to oranges comparison.Queen of smoke and mirrors. Everytime I see your posts I think Oh God! It's Charlie Brown's teacher again! laugh Wah wah, wah waaaaaah wha wahhhh.laugh flowerforyou


That's only because you would rather believe in a God who has commanded people to kill their unruly children.

Have you joined the town stoning committee yet in humble obedience to your serve you loving God? huh

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Sat 06/14/08 01:39 PM

he's only here to prove how ""logical"" he thinks he's being as compared to other's - right funch? post all you want - i wont respond to you ever again - laugh laugh laugh laugh :tongue:


"tribo" so your having another hissy fit because I use logic to prove how you were wrong in your assessments?..quit crying and grow a pair ..

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Sat 06/14/08 02:16 PM
Edited by star_tin_gover on Sat 06/14/08 02:27 PM


Abra, you are the king of the apples to oranges comparison.Queen of smoke and mirrors. Everytime I see your posts I think Oh God! It's Charlie Brown's teacher again! laugh Wah wah, wah waaaaaah wha wahhhh.laugh flowerforyou


That's only because you would rather believe in a God who has commanded people to kill their unruly children.

Have you joined the town stoning committee yet in humble obedience to your serve you loving God? huh

laugh Yup. We will be right over.laugh huh Is that what buddhism/taoism teaches? Hatred for anyone but the enlightened ones? I think not.flowerforyou Get back in the groove. You have one wheel running in the ditch.:wink: I know..... you will come back and say that you don't hate anyone but again, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck......
I never see you compare your beliefs with Christianity and the reason I have only listed Christianity is because that is what consumes you. Don't you find that your obvious mission to denounce Christianity interferes with your path to enlightenment? Mirror mirror is an example of a non-Christian you could consider emulating. A really nice guy that shows love for ALL people whether they believe as he does or not. flowerforyou

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Sat 06/14/08 03:06 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Sat 06/14/08 03:07 PM





try it sometime funch every drop or molecule of color you add to another produces a different color ad infinitum, as to number's yes they are mans tool and serve a purpose but while in this body and with this mind - man could keep attaining a larger or smaller number. in truth - there only infinite as long as someone is here to use them or on other planes if they are used there also - as would be the case with colors also - so your correct in that sense.



colors are limited by the visible light that splits into and forms the spectrum...since a spectrum has a beginning and an end then how can colors therefore be infinite ..

also one could keep counting forever ..but without a reality to apply the counting to the numbers doesn't have an existence


Come, come funchesnoway noway

Perhaps you are looking at infinity with a limited mind.

Lets suppose scientist build a spaceship with a propulsion system powered by a small nuclear reactor. Now, the spaceship is travelling in an almost vacuumless environment of space, and the propulsion system does not increase the speed of the ship at a lightning speed, but the increase is continuous and steady!
I'm going to make up some numbers now but you should get the idea.
Lets say when the propulsion system kicks in the ship is traveling at 10,000 mph. With zero vacuum, every 12 hrs the ships speed increases speed by 60%. That means after the first 12 hrs the ship is travelling at 16,000 mph. After 12 more hrs it increases speed another 60%. Now its travelling at 25,600 mph. another 12 hrs, 40,960 mph, etc, etc, etc,.
Lets suppose the ship has enough nuclear fuel to continue to do this for 100 yrs. By using the gravitational pull of other planets and a computer system that can detect the pull, shutting off the propulsion system when not needed it can extend the fuel supply even longer.
How fast is it going when it finally runs out of fuel? Did it stop increasing in speed when the known numbering system stopped just because no one was around to count anymore? Couldn't you continue to make up new scientific notations as you needed them?
Now, suppose the ship is out of fuel, no propulsion but in Zero gravity it continues to coast at the speed it was going, or maybe it continues to speed up. How far will it travel? Will it stop when man runs out of numbers? Does the ship care that man runs out of numbers? Is there an unknown wall at the end of space that the ship will crash into and stop?
If you can answer any of these questions then I'll join you in your definition that infinity doesn't exist. If you can answer any of these questions then I'm sure NASA has a job opening for you. Because you see, the propulsion system and the ship I'm talking about is very close to reality.



geez "Fanta" this one was too easy ..the ship would be controlled by the laws of physics and could never get pass light speed ..once it's fuel supply is used up the ship would eventually be slowed down by the gravitional pull of the planets and slinged back the way it came and get trapped in an orbit like haley's comet and most likely never reach the end of space ..it would just become space debris


NASA scientist say it will never quit increasing in speed funches.
And, reality is limited only by the confines of the human mind. Even the counting backwards is reality. Most minds realize after awhile that it will never reach zero however and call it infinity, realizing the reality of itdrinker

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Sat 06/14/08 04:16 PM
Edited by Abracadabra on Sat 06/14/08 04:17 PM
I never see you compare your beliefs with Christianity and the reason I have only listed Christianity is because that is what consumes you.


I have no beliefs.

Christianity consumes me because it ruined my life and continues to destroy the lives of others.

Don't you find that your obvious mission to denounce Christianity interferes with your path to enlightenment?


I'm not on a path to enlightenment.

My mission to denounce Christianity is akin to doctors trying to obliterate cancer.

I do it for the sake of mankind as a whole. flowerforyou

Consider it as my contribution to humanity. drinker




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Sat 06/14/08 04:34 PM

NASA scientist say it will never quit increasing in speed funches.


"Fanta" did those NASA's scientist also say that a spaceship would rip apart before it got anywhere near lightspeed ..


And, reality is limited only by the confines of the human mind.


only delusion is limited by the confines of the mind ...reality exist beyond the mind


Even the counting backwards is reality. Most minds realize after awhile that it will never reach zero however and call it infinity, realizing the reality of itdrinker


counting backward without a reality to count backward for equates to rambling and/or delusion

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Sat 06/14/08 05:05 PM

I never see you compare your beliefs with Christianity and the reason I have only listed Christianity is because that is what consumes you.


I have no beliefs.

Christianity consumes me because it ruined my life and continues to destroy the lives of others.

Don't you find that your obvious mission to denounce Christianity interferes with your path to enlightenment?


I'm not on a path to enlightenment.

My mission to denounce Christianity is akin to doctors trying to obliterate cancer.

I do it for the sake of mankind as a whole. flowerforyou

Consider it as my contribution to humanity. drinker





laugh laugh laugh laugh Good luck with that. laugh laugh laugh laugh A fly speck on the wall of the world. Take up bowling or some other hobby that might bring joy to the twilight of your life. flowerforyou

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Sat 06/14/08 09:30 PM


NASA scientist say it will never quit increasing in speed funches.


"Fanta" did those NASA's scientist also say that a spaceship would rip apart before it got anywhere near lightspeed ..


And, reality is limited only by the confines of the human mind.


only delusion is limited by the confines of the mind ...reality exist beyond the mind


Even the counting backwards is reality. Most minds realize after awhile that it will never reach zero however and call it infinity, realizing the reality of itdrinker


counting backward without a reality to count backward for equates to rambling and/or delusion



#1, I hope not cause they are planning on sending men up in it. At least as far as mars!

#2, Thats where you are allowing your mind to be limited! (your fallacy, not mine)

#3, The reality is that infinity exist beyond known reality!:wink:

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Sat 06/14/08 09:34 PM

laugh laugh laugh laugh Good luck with that. laugh laugh laugh laugh A fly speck on the wall of the world. Take up bowling or some other hobby that might bring joy to the twilight of your life. flowerforyou


That's all we all are. Fly specks on the wall. Each contributing what we can. flowerforyou

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Sat 06/14/08 09:35 PM

I never see you compare your beliefs with Christianity and the reason I have only listed Christianity is because that is what consumes you.


I have no beliefs.

Christianity consumes me because it ruined my life and continues to destroy the lives of others.

Don't you find that your obvious mission to denounce Christianity interferes with your path to enlightenment?


I'm not on a path to enlightenment.

My mission to denounce Christianity is akin to doctors trying to obliterate cancer.

I do it for the sake of mankind as a whole. flowerforyou

Consider it as my contribution to humanity. drinker


I'll be a speck on the wall with you Abra.

Christianity is the epitome of the evil it decries.


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Sat 06/14/08 09:38 PM
Why would the ship disintegrate funches?

There's no friction in space!

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Sat 06/14/08 09:39 PM
Edited by Eljay on Sat 06/14/08 10:38 PM


I would agree with that but remember my belief system allows for 2 opposing forces. Good and Evil Since I also believe that Good ALWAYS triumphs over evil, I would be inclined to believe that Devine force felt it was more necessary for the underdog to win and therefore would have intervined at little cost to the horse with the upper hoof. Then again, it is possible that the Divine force felt that it was in the best interest for the better horse to loose rather than win. Maybe, that Divine force knew that if that horse lost it would be traded to a horse trainer that was more humane and would not pump it full of steroids. laugh




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i have a problem with god and sports anyway:tongue: it amaze's me that two supposed christian teams or ones that pray for god to help and guide them for his glory to win for jesus would even do such a thing? does that mean god looses in one way but wins in another? what's the point? is god going to be for one C team over another? does he really take sides - does he really care at all? hmmmm? i doubt it! mans folly. and then the winning team makes statements like " i would first of all like to give thanks to god for our win" etc., adnauseum, hmmm? funny you never hear the C losers say that after "defeat" huh?


Tribo;

Actually - this post is evidence that you have never played a sport. I've been involved in football my entire life, never have I heard a prayer before a game where God was asked for a victory. Playing to the best of ones ability, concentration and health have been all I've ever heard prayed for. It is the FANS who ask God for victory. Usually because they have money riding on the game.

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Sat 06/14/08 09:42 PM


I never see you compare your beliefs with Christianity and the reason I have only listed Christianity is because that is what consumes you.


I have no beliefs.

Christianity consumes me because it ruined my life and continues to destroy the lives of others.

Don't you find that your obvious mission to denounce Christianity interferes with your path to enlightenment?


I'm not on a path to enlightenment.

My mission to denounce Christianity is akin to doctors trying to obliterate cancer.

I do it for the sake of mankind as a whole. flowerforyou

Consider it as my contribution to humanity. drinker


I'll be a speck on the wall with you Abra.

Christianity is the epitome of the evil it decries.




right there with ya buddy!!

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Sat 06/14/08 09:43 PM




Now - the choice remains with the individual. If I have love ones who chose not to spend eternity with God in heaven and therefore have chosen to suffer the consequences thereof - you want me to now abandon God because He allowed them their choice?


God gives the individual a choice of "either or" which equations to a threat and not a choice ..but that is not the issue...the issue is why would people praise a God as he is torturing their love ones and not speak against it


I know you know how to read Funches. What part of "Where does it say God tortures those in hell" do you not understand?


well Eljay try reading Matthew 13:41 and 13:42

13:41
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

13:42
Jesus will send his angels to gather up "all that offend" and they "shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

so Eljay ..unless there is another furnace of fire besides Hell then it sounds like torturing to me ...so are you finish trying to go off the question


Hmmm... I could have sworn you said GOD was the torcherer. Who's going off question here? And please don't backtrack and tell me that you meant Jesus was God in your original statement.
That would just make you look the fool. Just leave it be and admit you got it wrong.

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Sat 06/14/08 09:50 PM
Edited by Eljay on Sat 06/14/08 10:13 PM

Eljay wrote:

This thread has nothing to do with people who don't believe the bible. Read Funches post again. For that matter - read mine again, I qualified my response so I wouldn't have to deal with your strawman arguments.


That's silly.

The whole idea behind Christianity is that the Bible is the correct description of God. It doesn't even make and sense to talk about things such as heaven or hell outside of the biblical context.

Eljay wrote:

God is in Heaven. For those who do not wish to enter there - God does not admit them. Period. He doesn't "send them anywhere". You have made this assumption. Had you read the book, you'd know otherwise.


Again, you say, "Had you read the book!".

It's all about what the bible says. You believe in a book. Not in a God. You claim that the book is the word of God. You worship a book!

And they you try to claim that it's not about the Bible. You want to have your cake and eat it too.

Spider wrote:

Musha rain dum-a-doo dum-a-da


Well that makes a lot more sense that what you posted before you edited your post. laugh

You and Eljay are both trying to pull the same stunt.

I tell you guys what the bible says, and then you guys try to say, "But God isn't like that!"

But the Bible is what you people claim to believe in.

You can't say that God doesn't threaten people who don't believe in him because the Bible most certainly does this. Whatever the Bible says is what the biblical God says, because the whole idea behind it. It's supposed to be the word of God.

You can't say, "But God isn't like that!". If say that all you are saying is that you don't believe that the Bible correctly portrays what God is like (i.e. you renounce the very idea that the Bible is the word of God).

Oxymoron. As always!

For Christians the Bible has to be the word of God. Therefore whatever the Bible says that God is like then that's what God must be like. The Bible clearly threatens non-believers that bad things will happen to them.

The Christian God clearly threatens non-believers with violence, and clearly uses tactics of intimidation and fear to try to get people to love him. This must be the case because Christians are claiming that the Bible is the WORD of God.

Therefore the Christian God threatens to reject people, and intimidates with fear tactics because this is what the Bible does, and Christians claim that the Bible is the words of God.

There's no way out. Christians have no choice but to confess that their God (the Bible) uses methods of intimidation, fear, and threatens to reject people if they don't believe him. Because the Bible tells us so!

You guys are hopeless. You'll defend that the book is the word of God until you're blue in the face, whilst simultaneously trying to claim that God isn't like what the Bible says. laugh

It's utterly ridiculous. The biblical doctrine trips over its own proclamations and falls flat on its face in the mud. And you guys stand there trying to defend it.

For what reason? You've either fallen for the intimidation and you are afraid to renounce it. Or you're lusting for the gift of eternal life it offers and you don't want to miss out on the chance in case it might somehow be miraculously true.

Good luck. flowerforyou



Abra;

Get out your logic book and look up "shifting middle".

You may equate God to the bible, I do not. I do not "worship" the bible - it is a book of words. It has limits. It does not contain all that there is to know about God. It's merely a "road map". A tool for guidance. It's not a recipe book.

I really don't understand this image you have of the bible intimidating me into anything? What is it you think I'm missing out of life because I happen to believe the book has merit? Like I'm being held back from the great joy of life because I happen to have faith in a God that provides for me?
That God has "robbed me of the joy of life" because I happen to think his "rules" (as it's so often mislabeled) are holding me back? I find that humorous. I mean - what is your point? I just don't get what you are attempting to make me see?

You yourself say that you don't need the book, because you're already about what it says - yet, when you intuitively do the rightious things you do in your life, (which you say co-incidently occur in scripture), and reap the benefits thereof,
you don't see a benevolent God capable of bestowing that? Or is it all just you? And when you happen to slip up, the consequences thereof - are they "unjust"? As a society, we are worse than God. We imprison our criminals - some we even put to death. Why do we do that? Because society has rules?

HOW DARE THEY!!!

Please - what is it exactly I'm missing here because I happen to believe in a God who opens my eyes so I may see, and my ears so I may hear?

And what makes you think I "lust" for the gift of eternal life? One does not lust after that which they already possess.

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