Topic: the REAL POLL
Milesoftheusa's photo
Mon 06/09/08 10:09 AM
Red..

Our govt. our law makers in the beginning of this epidemic did not follow the rules for contagious deseases. Why? Reason why did they not want to stop HIV? What did HIV do to the public syce? It brought forth a terrible desease that went on to Hollywood. All of a sudden gays were funny cool people to be around and anyone who questioned it and had a difference of opinion were bigots.Will and Grace i forgot the shows name. This was/is a perfect example of this brainwashing. Nothing of change comes around fast but slow over many years. I believe that show was for that purpose to legitamize man on man or woman on woman. or either on a animal. I wonder since this sexual revelution how many people have become addicted to porn because it is all ok. My goodness women are on TV talking about thier periods deciding which tampon to use. I do not want to watch those commercials either. The F word is about the only word not allowed on tv now.This all comes from deviate unnatural sex that has been glamorized. Thier is a reason for all this that is happening. Yahshua said it. A kingdom divided against itself can not stand. How very true.We change the rules constantly.If all these rules need so much changing we are in chaos.You speak of my nose and the govt. You are darn right because they control what the people see and can do. We used to hear all these reports that thier is no link between what a child sees on tv and what influences him. Do u believe that? We are being programmed. We need to wake up to the fact that the Scriptures are a way of life. To keep u on track what is right and what is wrong.It is clear on this.

Isa 8:16-22

16 Bind up the testimony ,
Seal the law among my disciples.
17 And I will wait on Yahweh,
Who hides His face from the house of Jacob;
And I will hope in Him.
18 Here am I and the children whom Yahweh has given me!
We are for signs and wonders in Israel
From Yahweh of hosts,
Who dwells in Mount Zion.

19 And when they say to you,"Seek those who are mediums and wizards, who whisper and mutter," should not a people seek their Mighty One? Should they seek the dead on behalf of the living? 20 To the law and to the testimony ! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

21 They will pass through it hard-pressed and hungry; and it shall happen, when they are hungry, that they will be enraged and curse their king and their Master, and look upward. 22 Then they will look to the earth, and see trouble and darkness, gloom of anguish; and they will be driven into darkness.
NKJV

This is whats happening to us and has for 20+ years Red.

We are blessed though if we will only believe what we claim to believe. The Book of Life. The instruction manual. The Life given Authority to our lives that we may live FREE knowing what is right and what is wrong. 1st though we have to realize we were created. That we are designed. That we are a people blessed with the knowledge of what is best for a long and fruitful life. mans ways do not produce that. They produce strife and wickedness and rebelry. A product of the great deciever who right now decieves the whole world. Splitting it into little groups different fanctions. That he may reveal himself as the Spiritual ONE. Who comes to save. Without instructions on what is happening then we become his..Blessings of Shalom and Grace Red.....Miles

Rapunzel's photo
Mon 06/09/08 10:40 AM

Red..

Our govt. our law makers in the beginning of this epidemic did not follow the rules for contagious deseases. Why? Reason why did they not want to stop HIV? What did HIV do to the public syce? It brought forth a terrible desease that went on to Hollywood. All of a sudden gays were funny cool people to be around and anyone who questioned it and had a difference of opinion were bigots.Will and Grace i forgot the shows name. This was/is a perfect example of this brainwashing. Nothing of change comes around fast but slow over many years. I believe that show was for that purpose to legitamize man on man or woman on woman. or either on a animal. I wonder since this sexual revelution how many people have become addicted to porn because it is all ok. My goodness women are on TV talking about thier periods deciding which tampon to use. I do not want to watch those commercials either. The F word is about the only word not allowed on tv now.This all comes from deviate unnatural sex that has been glamorized. Thier is a reason for all this that is happening. Yahshua said it. A kingdom divided against itself can not stand. How very true.We change the rules constantly.If all these rules need so much changing we are in chaos.You speak of my nose and the govt. You are darn right because they control what the people see and can do. We used to hear all these reports that thier is no link between what a child sees on tv and what influences him. Do u believe that? We are being programmed. We need to wake up to the fact that the Scriptures are a way of life. To keep u on track what is right and what is wrong.It is clear on this.

Isa 8:16-22

16 Bind up the testimony ,
Seal the law among my disciples.
17 And I will wait on Yahweh,
Who hides His face from the house of Jacob;
And I will hope in Him.
18 Here am I and the children whom Yahweh has given me!
We are for signs and wonders in Israel
From Yahweh of hosts,
Who dwells in Mount Zion.

19 And when they say to you,"Seek those who are mediums and wizards, who whisper and mutter," should not a people seek their Mighty One? Should they seek the dead on behalf of the living? 20 To the law and to the testimony ! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

21 They will pass through it hard-pressed and hungry; and it shall happen, when they are hungry, that they will be enraged and curse their king and their Master, and look upward. 22 Then they will look to the earth, and see trouble and darkness, gloom of anguish; and they will be driven into darkness.
NKJV

This is whats happening to us and has for 20+ years Red.

We are blessed though if we will only believe what we claim to believe. The Book of Life. The instruction manual. The Life given Authority to our lives that we may live FREE knowing what is right and what is wrong. 1st though we have to realize we were created. That we are designed. That we are a people blessed with the knowledge of what is best for a long and fruitful life. mans ways do not produce that. They produce strife and wickedness and rebelry. A product of the great deciever who right now decieves the whole world. Splitting it into little groups different fanctions. That he may reveal himself as the Spiritual ONE. Who comes to save. Without instructions on what is happening then we become his..Blessings of Shalom and Grace Red.....Miles




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Rapunzel's photo
Mon 06/09/08 10:49 AM


Hi Eljay
This is rather di-ingenuous - and an ad hominum attack on your part. Who's the one passing judgement here? eH? I don't see any Christians passing judgement on ANYONE here. What is being questioned is a law that I personally don't see any need for. What is a law needed for? (when the constitution affords every citizen of this country all of the freedoms they need). If someone is being discriminated against - we already have laws for this. What's the problem here? And what has God got to do with any of this?


have you read the link I have posted? Have you imagined Your life and the lives of your friends and family without the benefit of all the laws (all 1049 of them) that are not extended to the GLBT?????

Have you ever ONCE considered what your life would be like if you had to hide your religion from your bosses at work? Or if you were suddenly evicted from your the place you rented for being suspected of being gay - and no court in the state will help you, because there is no law against such discrimination?

Have you ever considered being denied access to those you consider family, when the law considers you nothing to them?

Have you ever been in a foreign country and your children and their mother are denied visa's to vist you, because you are not MARRIED to her?

Have you ever had to take care of your invalid partner for more than 10 years without benefit of her social security. Having to lie and say she is your sister just so the doctors will take of her?

what is wrong with all you poeple - question yourself - why don't you know these things go on? Why can't you see beyond what you WANT to believe.

Are you all so afraid of having to give up your pecious right to judge???????





have you ever been wrongly accused of domestic violence and been narrowly murdered later by the wolf that cried sheep?

Have you raised a child alone from a toddler and been there for them to your own peril and detriment to your own career?

Hacve you ever been shunned from work or professional associations for your faith in Christianity?

Have you ever been shut out from familial support and governement assisitance after having contributed more/yr than most make?

Have you ever been sued for having assets and insurance that is expediently paid to malicious litigators irrespective of merit, only to fight them off and redeem your good name at your own cost and then be asked to signed an indemnification against malicious prosecution in exchange for the attempted fraud having been diffused?

Have you ever lost a spouse to your faith and apprehensions becoming real and no longer find yourself the naughty plaything of the desire of your heart, in finding that you were not loved as much as what you offered in worldly ease was?

Have you been threatened with a straight jacket and reprograMMING AND DEBRIEFING FOR HAVING ENTERED INTO SOBRIETY AND FAITH IN GOD?

Have yo ever lost access to higher education to the need for affirmative action goals and quotas?

Have you ever been looked upon condescendingly by the affluent Christian community for living in this world not as plundering it, but as acquiring to your person only that which is needful?

Have you ever been labeled as "one of those" Christians just by stating your faith in Christ?

Have you ever had an opportunity come to you and others ask it of you, and forego it that their weakness may be stemmed even though you have a great need too?

Have you ever faced off against those of your persuasion when they are wrong as a matter of conscience and bear the sorrow of experiencing the wrath of the disengenuous within your persuasion?


I'll bet you can add to this list many more injustices and examples of things that are not fair and just.

That is part of life.

It is not an excuse for special access or special rights or special accomodation from society.

It is what it is.

We all have these lists.:wink:

Every last one of us.

No one owes us anything.

We owe it to ourselves to be the best we can be and rise above the myriad challenges.

We owe it to ourselves to refrain from beating a dead horse because it won't pull the cart anymore.


We can divide ourselves til we are blue in the face, and none of it will stop happening as it happens upon all.

Some will cave in, some will capitulate, some will compromise themselves, some will give up, some will seek for a whipping boy, some will seek a license to continue in unprofitable endeavors.

And some won't.:wink:

We will never reach mutual respect and dignity for all by labeling and licensing special privileges for each and every demanding and importunistic group that seeks such. There is no end to that divsiveness. It will never bring us together; such will only succeed in driving us all further apart from one another.



Micro managing minutia is a waste of humanity.


Building a better tomorrow is better served in promoting personal responsibility and accountability and reflecting the value and integrity of showing favor to those deserving of such disciplined effort as such within themselves for the good of all within reach.

Building a personal hedge of protection around oneself with honorable and well defined kindreds makes for a more peaceful personal pursuit in life by building the community of friendships on a personal level that reaches and teaches each subsequent circle of influence surrounding that hedge built.

Relying on legislative consensus for that which we can do for ourselves, denies ourselves by so doing.

How can we be a nation of diverse peoples living in harmony one with another if everything endeavored is a legal machination of irresponsibility?

Representative governance is not about licensing every nuance, though it seems to be so in commerce and trade.:wink:

Representative governance reflects the wealth or bankruptcy of any nation.

What is relevant is : what is the capital?

What is the equity being sought protections for?






What seems most important in this vain is : Wh6y is this nation bankrupt and bereft of mutual respect and dignity without licensing it?

Can we legislate integrity and honesty?

Can we ever legislate truthfulness?


No people on this earth need a government to dictate personal truthfulness.

People just need the collective will to collectively respect all liberties while concurrently not infringing on the liberties of others. That starts with individual efforts not applauded with monetary renumeration.bigsmile


:heart:




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smokin Rich ~ You are so intelligent, so wise & so very perceptive smokin

and

flowerforyou so exquisitely eloquent in the delivery of your message flowerforyou


blushing I am so fortunate & so blessed to know you blushing

flowerforyou and to be able to read the things you write flowerforyou


:heart: drinker smokin thank you so very much smokin drinker :heart:



Abracadabra's photo
Mon 06/09/08 11:07 AM
Why do so many Christians feel vindicated in judging others by the standards they are personally unable to meet?


The problem is that there are a lot of false Christians who use the religion to support bigotry and hatred.

Just because someone calls themselves a Christian doesn't make is so. Many people who claim to be Christians are really just hypocritical bigots who spit in the face of Jesus.

Even Jesus himself said that he will deny many who claim to know him.

You can't preach bigotry in the name of Jesus, it doesn't fly.

Such people are shallow hypocrites who do not know Jesus. They are pseudo Christians who use the Bible (mainly the Old Testament) to support their bigotry and hatred whilst spitting in the face of Jesus (the New Testament).

Nothing is more disgusting than a false Christian. ohwell

no photo
Mon 06/09/08 01:33 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 06/09/08 01:36 PM

Why do so many Christians feel vindicated in judging others by the standards they are personally unable to meet?


The problem is that there are a lot of false Christians who use the religion to support bigotry and hatred.

Just because someone calls themselves a Christian doesn't make is so. Many people who claim to be Christians are really just hypocritical bigots who spit in the face of Jesus.

Even Jesus himself said that he will deny many who claim to know him.

You can't preach bigotry in the name of Jesus, it doesn't fly.

Such people are shallow hypocrites who do not know Jesus. They are pseudo Christians who use the Bible (mainly the Old Testament) to support their bigotry and hatred whilst spitting in the face of Jesus (the New Testament).

Nothing is more disgusting than a false Christian. ohwell





drinker {{{{{ <<<<< James >>>>> }}}}}drinker

smokin Abracadabra: Oh James ~ You are so intelligent, so wise & so very perceptive smokin

and

flowerforyou so exquisitely eloquent in the delivery of your message flowerforyou


blushing I am so fortunate & so blessed to know you blushing

flowerforyou and to be able to read the things you write flowerforyou


:heart: drinker smokin thank you so very much smokin drinker :heart:

Jeannie love


:tongue: :tongue: laugh laugh laugh laugh


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Mon 06/09/08 01:53 PM
laugh


Why do so many Christians feel vindicated in judging others by the standards they are personally unable to meet?


The problem is that there are a lot of false Christians who use the religion to support bigotry and hatred.

Just because someone calls themselves a Christian doesn't make is so. Many people who claim to be Christians are really just hypocritical bigots who spit in the face of Jesus.

Even Jesus himself said that he will deny many who claim to know him.

You can't preach bigotry in the name of Jesus, it doesn't fly.

Such people are shallow hypocrites who do not know Jesus. They are pseudo Christians who use the Bible (mainly the Old Testament) to support their bigotry and hatred whilst spitting in the face of Jesus (the New Testament).

Nothing is more disgusting than a false Christian. ohwell





drinker {{{{{ <<<<< James >>>>> }}}}}drinker

smokin Abracadabra: Oh James ~ You are so intelligent, so wise & so very perceptive smokin

and

flowerforyou so exquisitely eloquent in the delivery of your message flowerforyou


blushing I am so fortunate & so blessed to know you blushing

flowerforyou and to be able to read the things you write flowerforyou


:heart: drinker smokin thank you so very much smokin drinker :heart:

Jeannie love


:tongue: :tongue: laugh laugh laugh laugh




Woah Jeannie! You made me to a total double take there. I was like but the forums say that Jeanniebean wrote the last message but Rapunzel typed it... I thought I was losing my mind... laugh laugh

That was funny.

no photo
Mon 06/09/08 01:58 PM


Aaah yes! Plagiarism at its finest! smokin bigsmile

laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

tiffanyraquel's photo
Mon 06/09/08 02:06 PM

Well so far the poll indicates that it is only Christians who would vote no. Though not all Christians would vote no.

What is it in the Christian faith that allows some Christians to take a beleif meant to teach that person alone, how to conduct their own affairs, and then use that information to judge another?

And worse than that, they would back up their own judgement by determining that those they have found guilty are not worthy of the same treatment under the law as they would expect themselves?




You just took a poll off JSHlaugh You could say that about my Wiccan military friends ( not all of them ) too. A couple I knew of were afraid a gay soldier might be watching them shower.laugh You could say why do some Muslims want to kill Americans and some just want peace. You could say that about any human being. People are people. Just because you practice a particular faith does not make you without judgement on others.


Gheez

feralcatlady's photo
Mon 06/09/08 02:10 PM
Edited by feralcatlady on Mon 06/09/08 02:12 PM


Why do so many Christians feel vindicated in judging others by the standards they are personally unable to meet?


The problem is that there are a lot of false Christians who use the religion to support bigotry and hatred.

Just because someone calls themselves a Christian doesn't make is so. Many people who claim to be Christians are really just hypocritical bigots who spit in the face of Jesus.

Even Jesus himself said that he will deny many who claim to know him.

You can't preach bigotry in the name of Jesus, it doesn't fly.

Such people are shallow hypocrites who do not know Jesus. They are pseudo Christians who use the Bible (mainly the Old Testament) to support their bigotry and hatred whilst spitting in the face of Jesus (the New Testament).

Nothing is more disgusting than a false Christian. ohwell





drinker {{{{{ <<<<< James >>>>> }}}}}drinker

smokin Abracadabra: Oh James ~ You are so intelligent, so wise & so very perceptive smokin

and

flowerforyou so exquisitely eloquent in the delivery of your message flowerforyou


blushing I am so fortunate & so blessed to know you blushing

flowerforyou and to be able to read the things you write flowerforyou


:heart: drinker smokin thank you so very much smokin drinker :heart:

Jeannie love


:tongue: :tongue: laugh laugh laugh laugh




ok you two your supposed to be on your way to Hawaii....and JB you crack me up......and as much as I agree with what you copied and pasted about James....I also agree with Rapunzel about Rich......

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Mon 06/09/08 02:11 PM



Aaah yes! Plagiarism at its finest! smokin bigsmile

laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh


laugh You totally crack me up. laugh

glasses Your words may not be original, smokin

:heart: but your methods certainly are. :heart:

bigsmile And I know you meant every plagarized word of it bigsmile

smooched it's the thought that counts smooched

:heart: love You're such a sweetheart love :heart:

Jamesflowerforyou smokin :wink: blushing


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Mon 06/09/08 02:14 PM


Well so far the poll indicates that it is only Christians who would vote no. Though not all Christians would vote no.

What is it in the Christian faith that allows some Christians to take a beleif meant to teach that person alone, how to conduct their own affairs, and then use that information to judge another?

And worse than that, they would back up their own judgement by determining that those they have found guilty are not worthy of the same treatment under the law as they would expect themselves?




You just took a poll off JSHlaugh You could say that about my Wiccan military friends ( not all of them ) too. A couple I knew of were afraid a gay soldier might be watching them shower.laugh You could say why do some Muslims want to kill Americans and some just want peace. You could say that about any human being. People are people. Just because you practice a particular faith does not make you without judgement on others.


Gheez


She's not trying to pass this off as a scientfic poll of the world. She was just merely commenting that from the people that had answered already. Only Christians were opposed to voting yes and not even all of them at that. She wasn't saying that it's not possible for Wiccans or Muslisms to be opposed to wanting the laws passed. Just that none of them were posting here.

tiffanyraquel's photo
Mon 06/09/08 02:14 PM

Why do so many Christians feel vindicated in judging others by the standards they are personally unable to meet?


The problem is that there are a lot of false Christians who use the religion to support bigotry and hatred.

Just because someone calls themselves a Christian doesn't make is so. Many people who claim to be Christians are really just hypocritical bigots who spit in the face of Jesus.

Even Jesus himself said that he will deny many who claim to know him.

You can't preach bigotry in the name of Jesus, it doesn't fly.

Such people are shallow hypocrites who do not know Jesus. They are pseudo Christians who use the Bible (mainly the Old Testament) to support their bigotry and hatred whilst spitting in the face of Jesus (the New Testament).

Nothing is more disgusting than a false Christian. ohwell



Abra, there are many liberal Christians such as myself. I will admit I sin, I have lied, I have judged etc.. But, I still believe Jesus Christ is my Saviour. Is that so wrong?:wink: I was raised a Babtist, but joined a Lutheran church later in life. My pastor was very open and he would answer any question we asked. He would even admit that he did not have all the answers. I was trying to figure out why God would flood the Earth and kill nearly everyone, let rape continue, and let society go through so much turmoil. My pastor said," God is good, God is perfect and we are a reflection of God." God gets angry, God hates, God loves, but most of all He gave us free will. We may judge, committ sins and still be gentle and kind. I bet you can get on this site get angry, say things you know you should not ( myself included ), but then go out into the world and do kind things for humans and animals. We contradict ourselves daily.

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Mon 06/09/08 02:16 PM

Why do so many Christians feel vindicated in judging others by the standards they are personally unable to meet?


The problem is that there are a lot of false Christians who use the religion to support bigotry and hatred.

Just because someone calls themselves a Christian doesn't make is so. Many people who claim to be Christians are really just hypocritical bigots who spit in the face of Jesus.

Even Jesus himself said that he will deny many who claim to know him.

You can't preach bigotry in the name of Jesus, it doesn't fly.

Such people are shallow hypocrites who do not know Jesus. They are pseudo Christians who use the Bible (mainly the Old Testament) to support their bigotry and hatred whilst spitting in the face of Jesus (the New Testament).

Nothing is more disgusting than a false Christian. ohwell


mmmmmm interesting view from somebody who thinks that whole Bible is a mythical delusion, yet this same person is recognizing some value in the new testament.

very surprising.flowerforyou

tiffanyraquel's photo
Mon 06/09/08 02:17 PM
Abra, do you play all those instruments? Flute, piano etc?

TheLonelyWalker's photo
Mon 06/09/08 02:18 PM
Edited by TheLonelyWalker on Mon 06/09/08 02:19 PM


Why do so many Christians feel vindicated in judging others by the standards they are personally unable to meet?


The problem is that there are a lot of false Christians who use the religion to support bigotry and hatred.

Just because someone calls themselves a Christian doesn't make is so. Many people who claim to be Christians are really just hypocritical bigots who spit in the face of Jesus.

Even Jesus himself said that he will deny many who claim to know him.

You can't preach bigotry in the name of Jesus, it doesn't fly.

Such people are shallow hypocrites who do not know Jesus. They are pseudo Christians who use the Bible (mainly the Old Testament) to support their bigotry and hatred whilst spitting in the face of Jesus (the New Testament).

Nothing is more disgusting than a false Christian. ohwell





drinker {{{{{ <<<<< James >>>>> }}}}}drinker

smokin Abracadabra: Oh James ~ You are so intelligent, so wise & so very perceptive smokin

and

flowerforyou so exquisitely eloquent in the delivery of your message flowerforyou


blushing I am so fortunate & so blessed to know you blushing

flowerforyou and to be able to read the things you write flowerforyou


:heart: drinker smokin thank you so very much smokin drinker :heart:

Jeannie love


:tongue: :tongue: laugh laugh laugh laugh



I can send you guys a some gift certificates for Olive Garden, so you both can have a date on me. You guys seem to be an amazingly perfect match.flowerforyou flowerforyou

feralcatlady's photo
Mon 06/09/08 02:20 PM
Edited by feralcatlady on Mon 06/09/08 02:21 PM
flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou for miguel

tiffanyraquel's photo
Mon 06/09/08 02:21 PM



Why do so many Christians feel vindicated in judging others by the standards they are personally unable to meet?


The problem is that there are a lot of false Christians who use the religion to support bigotry and hatred.

Just because someone calls themselves a Christian doesn't make is so. Many people who claim to be Christians are really just hypocritical bigots who spit in the face of Jesus.

Even Jesus himself said that he will deny many who claim to know him.

You can't preach bigotry in the name of Jesus, it doesn't fly.

Such people are shallow hypocrites who do not know Jesus. They are pseudo Christians who use the Bible (mainly the Old Testament) to support their bigotry and hatred whilst spitting in the face of Jesus (the New Testament).

Nothing is more disgusting than a false Christian. ohwell





drinker {{{{{ <<<<< James >>>>> }}}}}drinker

smokin Abracadabra: Oh James ~ You are so intelligent, so wise & so very perceptive smokin

and

flowerforyou so exquisitely eloquent in the delivery of your message flowerforyou


blushing I am so fortunate & so blessed to know you blushing

flowerforyou and to be able to read the things you write flowerforyou


:heart: drinker smokin thank you so very much smokin drinker :heart:

Jeannie love


:tongue: :tongue: laugh laugh laugh laugh



I can send you guys a some gift certificates for Olive Garden, so you both can have a date on me. You guys seem to be an amazingly perfect match.flowerforyou flowerforyou



JB does not need a date. She has her own kitty kat to pet.drinker

tiffanyraquel's photo
Mon 06/09/08 02:21 PM
Jb, what did you do in Hawaii?

tiffanyraquel's photo
Mon 06/09/08 02:23 PM

flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou for miguel


Feral cat, you need to give those flowers to your husband. He might be out late though.meeeooowwlaugh

madamx7316's photo
Mon 06/09/08 02:25 PM
i do consider myself a christian and i do feel that they should have the same benefits and rights...JMOdrinker