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you might try thinking about gaining back the freedom's we've already lost before trying to bestow new freedom's on any basis. I am a huge supporter of gay rights. But this statement really scares me. Everybody should be fighting to get back what these idiots have taken away. (I don't know if this has been pointed out but a majority of people under the age of 40 think that Gay marriage is fine. Just like the last generation would have never elected a black president, the future generation will not think anything of this issue. The fight is already won) Show a link. Dont just make claims. Prove it! Then, even if true, (doubt it) how would that make it any different? Even if you get a bunch of kids to fall for the unbased propaganda that they have been fed since birth by TV and schools, the facts still dont support their beliefs! Facts are facts, and thats why almost every state is seeking an amendment added to their State Constitutions. Even the Federal gov wont touch it! Won? Won what? The BSA won the law battle, but the GLBT has probably managed to destroy a great institution by suing them rather have the balls to start their own similar organization. Who won? Nobody, everyone lost. BSA lost, GLBT lost, and America's children lost! Calif,- The Calif supreme court overturned laws which were voted in by the people of Calif. Who won? Definitely not the people of Calif! Yet its on the ballot again and predictions are DOMA will become part of their States Constitution this fall. Even if the GLBT manages to get it passed, (long-shot) I dont see any winners. Definitely not the Calif tax-payers who will be burdened by marriages on paper only, domestic problems filling the courts, and Health/drug treatment programs drawing huge amounts from their State budget. Even if married in Calif, the marriages will not be recognized once they cross the state line! So who has won? All the things you mention are called the terrany of the majority. Just because the Majority of people think that slavery is a good idea that does not mean they can in slave people. The minority in that situation has rights that cannot be taken away by any majority. When I talk about winning I mean that today you and people like you will argue over this and say it is wrong. However the next generation has already bought into equal everything for Homosexuals. There are even Churches that are starting to ordain Gay Ministers. We have woman preachers today that people in the past said was a sin, we know that slavery is wrong even though the Bible was used to back it just 150 yrs ago. Society changes, the church changes, even the interpretation of the Bible changes. It doesn't take a genius (or Nostradamus's) to see that the future society will accept homosexuality and so will the Church. Peace in truth Weak argument! Being gay and being of a different race have nothing in common. I have yet to hear of homosexuals being slaves, but I have heard of Homosexual slave owners. The gay community often uses this argument to gain support from others, but it has no validity! Its a propaganda technique! Just because people dont want the sanctity of marriage between a man and woman belittled, or their children exposed to the immorality of homosexuality as a norm of society, does not make a homosexual black or relate any commonality to slavery. Homosexuals aren't treated less than animals. Homosexuals families aren't separated and sold off to different owners. Homosexuals aren't forced to work in hot humid fields from daylight to dark. Homosexuals aren't chased down with dogs when they run away. Homosexuals aren't whipped for trying to learn or talking back. Homosexuals aren't hung for looking at a white woman. All that is not, has not ever been legal for another person to do to Homosexuals. I dont now, or have ever seen how y'all get a comparison between being gay, and being a slave or black.  I think you probably look at things from your small point of view, not looking at all of history or looking to other places in the world, so I do not know if this will have any impact on you. When Hitler was in control those exact things happened to Homosexuals. They were slaves often worked to death. Watched over by dogs and treated like cattle in every way. It was legal to do all those things to homosexuals. |
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Tue 06/10/08 09:48 PM
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That was Nazi Germany and Nazi controlled Europe, not America!
We have never enslaved or treated Jews and homosexuals like that here in America. No mass round-ups, concentration camps or gas chambers here, and I doubt any homosexuals in America can say they have experienced what happened during the holocaust. . We did however legally treat Black slaves like I described earlier. Once again I see another debater from your side resorting to insults for lack of a better argument. Debate the topic not the poster! We were debating the pros and cons of changing marriage laws not your opinion of me. |
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Tue 06/10/08 09:51 PM
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You could explain how you can feel homosexuals in America today compare to the holocaust victims!
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Edited by
Rapunzel
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Tue 06/10/08 10:50 PM
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That was Nazi Germany and Nazi controlled Europe, not America! We have never enslaved or treated Jews and homosexuals like that here in America. No mass round-ups, concentration camps or gas chambers here, and I doubt any homosexuals in America can say they have experienced what happened during the holocaust. . We did however legally treat Black slaves like I described earlier. Once again I see another debater from your side resorting to insults for lack of a better argument. Debate the topic not the poster! We were debating the pros and cons of changing marriage laws not your opinion of me. I wasn't trying to insult you. I was just pointing out ahead of time that you were going to say we are only talking about America. If you are a Homosexual and you know your History I am sure they do not just feel this threat in America alone. They feel in danger all over the world. The ones that live here are doing their small part to try and make the world a better place for Homosexuals. They have a much longer and wider history then how they have been treated here. |
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That was Nazi Germany and Nazi controlled Europe, not America! We have never enslaved or treated Jews and homosexuals like that here in America. No mass round-ups, concentration camps or gas chambers here, and I doubt any homosexuals in America can say they have experienced what happened during the holocaust. . We did however legally treat Black slaves like I described earlier. Once again I see another debater from your side resorting to insults for lack of a better argument. Debate the topic not the poster! We were debating the pros and cons of changing marriage laws not your opinion of me. It's called "Rabbit logic". It necessitates taking 2 unrelated items with something remotely similar - and equating them. |
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But I love that silly wabbit.
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Rapunzel
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Wed 06/11/08 10:55 AM
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http://looneytunes.warnerbros.com/stars_of_the_show/bugs_bunny/bugs_story.html
http://looneytunes.warnerbros.com/stars_of_the_show/elmer_fudd/elmer_story.html http://looneytunes.warnerbros.com/web/showcase/showcase_dvd.jsp yeah, we love that waskally wabbit  even tho he always keeps Elmer Fudd on his toes... 
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You could explain how you can feel homosexuals in America today compare to the holocaust victims! [/quote They actually were holocaust victims. Check it out. They have now erected a statue in honor of their treatment in Nazi Germany. Kat |
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