Often 'God' is claimed to be a perfect entity, especially considering the 'God' of Abraham.

I wonder of the nature of perfect then, specifically concerning the world at hand.

It is obviously not perfect...

what

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our perception of perfection isnt his/hers

That's funny???

Why is that funny, if I may ask?

The real reality is there, but everything you KNOW about "it" is in your mind and yours to do with as you like. Conceptualization is art, and YOU ARE THE ARTIST.

Its cool Creative. She's my elven friend

Which perfect?

Who's perfect?

My perfect or your perfect?

This perfect, or that perfect?

Please define perfect.....

I think that's what he's wondering too ...

Hey Jess

A worthwhile question as it relates to the condition of the world today. It seems as though mankind never tires or runs short of ways to make the world a more dangerous and cold place. There are pockets of warmth and friends we meet and get to know that help to make life more enjoyable but when I look out, I don't see evidence of perfect design or perfect instruction. But I also don't see the antithesis, ultimate imperfection. Still, I think you ask a good question, one that if dismissed without consideration will do little more the perpetuate our current path.

Good to see you my friend.

-Drew

Hey Lovely..

(Psst!!!Hey Michael!!!!!)

I just saw Perfect!!!!

(Sherrie)


She is perfect......for her.

Hiya drew... Lee... Mirror and your little elven friend...

My dearest of souls...





Perfect is an English term which necessarily means without flaw... The epistemology of which I do not know, although the true meaning may change when translated back to Aramaic...


I find that the concept of a perfect 'God' must be either true or false. There is no middle ground.


If true, then this world is exactly what this perfect 'God's' intention is/was. If this is the case, then what does that say about the omni-benevolence of this same 'God'?


If false then, so much for the dependability and/or truthfulness of the Bible when it concerns the other supposed attributes of this 'God'.

CS--arguments here will go back to "God is perfect" but man is not--therefore, a perfect God he is, but his creation went the way of hubris and became lost.

My argument here has been that one who was perfect had to know that creating a less than perfect being/human would result in exactly that. So, was the design perfect or was there a flaw?

I don't think there is anything perfect. I am also comforted by that idea because perfect would have to be void of feelings, heart, some wold say, humanity.

Just my take and since it is late I trust you'll forgive any missteps.

-Drew

This is an interesting topic and it's related to entropy.

We have entropy backwards. Or at least science does.

They actually have the Low and High right. But they have the order/disorder wrong.

Low entropy is said to be highly ordered.
High entropy is said to be highly disordered.

But it's actually backwards. And this is because of how humans think. Well, not all humans. I noticed they had it backwards right off the bat.

Life is considered to be a highly ordered state (low entropy)

Chaos is considered to be a highly disordered state (high entropy)

It is said that the natural tendency of a closed system is toward a stated of high entropy (highly disordered).

However to me that's totally backwards from the way it should be.

Lets say we have a room that is fully of air and just enough atoms of the proper kinds to make up a human being.

Now let's say that these atoms are totally random and mixed in with the air.

If you look into the room you won't see anything. That's because all the atoms that will be used to make a human body are 'perfectly' randomly distributed in the air. You wouldn't even be able to tell that they were there. At least not by looking with the naked eye.

To me, that represents PERFECTION. Perfect order. Everything is PERFECTLY RANDOM. That perfect order!!!

Keep in mind that this is what things tend toward. Given this state there is no reason for it to ever change. This is the state that things tends toward. A sate of PERFECTION. Perfect random order.

Now imagine that all the atoms that make up a human body now come together and form the human body. Now when we look in the room see a person standing there.

That is NOT PERFECTION. That is total DISORDER. Things are not perfectly distributed. They are all clumped up standing there as a human body. That's about as disorderly as you can get.

It's true.

We look at things backwards. We think we are more ordered than chaos. But in truth it's just the opposite. Perfect random chaos is more highly ordered than anything else. It's perfection. There is no form at all. That's perfection. Total randomness is perfection.

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Think about it.

When there is no form of any kind. When every direction you look appears to be perfectly the same. There are no clumps, no features, nothing but perfect homogeneity. That's perfection.

As soon as you have features, those features are imperfections in what otherwise would be perfectly featureless.

Like a canvass. A pure white canvass is perfect. (assume that it is perfectly featureless) no features. That's perfect.

As soon as you start painting on the canvass it has features. That's imperfection. It doesn't matter what you paint or how pretty you think it is. It's imperfect for the simple reason that it's not the same everywhere.

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In the pantheistic view, god is perfect only between incarnation cycles. When god 'rests' god is featureless. There is no physical world being manifest. It's pure bliss. Nothing to rub up against. Nothing to experience. Just a state of pure being with nothing to sense. No features.

Then god awakens and becomes the universe. BOOM! A big bang. There are features everywhere, bumping up against each other and reacting. This is s state of imperfection. Incarnations are necessarily states of imperfections. For every up there must be a down. For every front there must be a back. For ever action there must be a reaction. The imperfect world is born from a perfect God.

The very notion of perfect and imperfect are human notions. One does not arise from the other. There are simply different states of the same thing (God).

During the incarnation cycle, we experience physical life. Many physical lives. An incarnation cycle lasts as long as the entire physical universe lasts. When it's over, God rests again, and become perfect (featureless)

Then another big bang, another incarnation cycle, and so on, forever. For eternity.

If anyone thinks this is boring try living forever under the rule of a jealous fascist Godhead in an eternal heaven - FOREVER.

Either way it's FOREVER.

No worries drew...



As I understand it...


Perfect only produces perfect.

Anything less, and it would not be.

Now then, this world could, in fact, be a perfect creation if it was intended to be as it is.

But where would that leave the other supposed attribute(s), specifically omni-benevolence?

Of course one could go into the best of all possible worlds scenario, which needs much explanation regarding the existence of unnecessary evil.

This topic has always been thought provoking to me...

James,

As always... good to see you!

You bring up an interesting concept that equates perfect to nothing, or should we say everything...

Nothing does not exist.



I do enjoy your path...


As you know, it is my understanding and well thought out opinion that the concept of 'God' becoming aware of itself through it's own physical manifestation is a logical impossibility which is truly a mis-labeled form of atheism.

A 'God' without consciousness can only be the potential to become without intent, reason, nor purpose.

What then, is necessary for consciousness?



I personally believe that perfect is a purely subjective concept, and cannot be used to define anything other than a personal sense of ought... @ Lee!

a perfect god is as unrealistic as finding a good bacon sandwich at jewish wedding.

the two words just dont make sense.

both are non-existant in nature singularly & when u join them it becomes an oxymoron

Perfect is only in our own minds.........no one will ever be perfect......even the perfect people want to be perfect!!! As long as we are perfectly happy with ourselves and our lives then life is perfect....

I don't even think hell could be perfect because I am always hearing about it freezing over. I mean if hell could freeze over then it couldn't be perfect now could it?

THE RAINBOW - all the colors you can imagine, melding together without perfection, to create the kind of beauty only the imperfect can appreciate.

Sorry, a political announcement (psssst it's national Pride month)

LET YOUR IMPERFECT COLORS SHINE for it's the light that reflects our differences and our hearts that reflect acceptence!

Perhaps that is perfection, a heart that can accept differences.