God did Not AUTHORIZE Slavery...however..God
KNEW man was going to do his OWN thang and have slaves anyway....so God told how to live PEACEFULLY in the situation.

So he knew that it was going to happen
He didnt say "dont do it"
He is omnipotent
So, by default, he is culpable by association. Not telling someone to stop is the same as condoning it. Especially when you make up the rules

Now Tribo....Just because God is Not a Religion, doesn't Mean the Bible Isn't the Inspired Word of God.

When Christians meet together in fellowship, they are Lifting Up Jesus, not a Religion.

BUT..we are Still Studying and Learning and Applying God's WHOLE WORD to our lives.
(meaning..we DON'T leave out parts of God's Word, as has been implied by some on this forum).

Belushi....read the whole bible....and also, get into a good bible study in a spirit filled setting.... preferably a nondenominational church in your area.

Or watch some of the programs on TBN.ORG.
I think this will help you find the answers you seek.

in a work called "book of truth's i have stated elsewhere on here a few weeks ago that quote - "
organized religion is one of the greatest hindrences to mankind. It preaches consolidation but instead divides itself into a myriad of sectarian factions for selfish reason's as pride reign's king amongst both it's follower's and leaders. It preaches healing while it fester's with spiritual disease and corruption within. It preaches giving, sharing, and caring while accumulating vast wealth for itself and selfishly spends and hordes all that it procures on non-spiritual, non - essentials. It is the epitome' of self centeredness masked in the semblence of hope, love, charity, and unity. And god turns away from it all to keep the stench from his nostrils"

you asked "did i know that god was not a religion- this is my answer to all religions.

Though you and other's may believe that your basing your beliefs solely on your personal relationship with jesus, - i know better - i was an insider - thats not true - to base your entire belief in jesus' words you would have to do this - pick up your cross and follow him - i know of no born again christian that does that. 2) live in poverty,3) worship in places where no building or building funds are involved, 4) donot take up tithes, 5) and the list goes on - the biggest being this - living the same life as christ himself - and in like manner - speaking only by your holy spirits words only, not by writing's that are not of god but of man - i also write " never are lies more convincing than when hid among truth's" that is where i stand on the infallability of the "book of men's doing" commonly reffered to as the infallable "word of god."

my sweet morningstar though i know you mean well - there are just "to many" outright and unbelievable things starting in the first book of your bible, and over a seventeen yr. period i could not find as much as one priest,pastor,or other that could give a reasonable explanation to why an almighty god with all knowledge and all power would say and act as he does within the confines of your book - if i was to today - publish a book and write what i see written there i would be laughed out of the business. after reading C.S. lewis and other apologist, the higherarchy of modern defenders of the faith, the only person that came close to answering the question of the word in genisis saying god told adam and eve to go forth and "REPLENISH" the earth was "billy graham" and he got all kinds of hell for believing as i had come to believe about that on my own years before. his/my answer to that was: (not a quote because i dont have his info anymore) That the world was populated before adam and eve and thats why god told them to -

"replenish" - ""re-
populate"" the earth - Now later the NIV version of the bible removed the word RE_POPULATE and to do that is blasphemy at its worst - why? because all christians state that the book is ""infallable"" if something is infallable and is said to be gods own words then man has no right to change the words whether he thinks he does or not due to new discoveries in greek grammer especially after almost 2 thousand yrs later!! Check it out yourself KJV - VS - NIV - how could repopulate stand for 1900+ yrs and then be wrong - the bible is full of mans blunders and dreamings up of ways to enslave the unwary, to put them under condemnation or fear, to lead the sheep to slaughter. all in the guise of love and eternal life. salvation, grace, do not work and cannot work, nor do they exsist - only in the minds of the "believers" no one needs "saved" what they need is to use "there god" given abilities to use common sense - read, rule out what cannot be reasonable, ponder and accept what may be truth - flush the rest and continue on. Only jesus appearing to me personally as he did with doubting thomas could ever change my mind on this - and i assure you that will not happen i dont even know if it hapened the first time for sure. you cant agree on whats what among you, and who cares if one believes in full emrsion baptism or sprinkling. neither one will get you to your heaven, there are no streets of gold, or most other things people picture heaven as - heaven is within - even jesus said that. most take what is plainly stated as truth and turn it in to things to be taken as symbolic and turn symbolic words to truth and no one agrees - the dallas theological "cemetary" with hagan and lindsey,allthe rest is a perfect example of that. and yet you say its a personal relation ship? with which jesus portrayed are you reffering, the catholic jesus? the jewish yeshua?, the moslem jesus, the reformed jesus, for they are all talked of differently. which do i give my faith and obedience to? and why would i do it blindly - jesus stated - count the cost - before you follow and believe - (paraphrase) - all christians that i have ever met have not, they have been fed the 4 spiritual laws the sinners prayer, asking for forgiveness blindly belief in his powers and asking him to dwell or live in their hearts - and then accepting by blind faith that this has taken place - "BLIND"? yes - why - how can you ask a stranger into your heart to guide you and love you and care for you unless you fully know him - trust takes time loving trust takes a real long time - you cannot know jesus in that way simply by reading or having someone state - for god so loved - so ill ask you now - if i came to you and stated i will be your savior and all you have to do is believe in me and accept me as your savior you wont go to hell but if you dont you will - what would your answer be? - jesus can prove himself no more than i - and if you made me your savior you would be just as wrong as you are now - that is ------ unless you tell me you have actually seen and spoken to jesus in the "flesh" and that you will bring him to me personally to meet in the flesh?? for anything less will not suffice.

Tribo ..... the Word of God just won't make sense, until you are born again, my friend.

After you become born again, then the Word WILL begin to make sense....as yuo grow in God's Word.....because the Holy Spirit will then open up your understanding to God's Word.

But until then?

The Word of God just Won't make sesne ..Period!!

Tribo.....before I was born again ,
the Word of God did not makes sense to me either.
So I do understand how you feel, Tribo.

dear lady - i have been born again - i was blind and now i see - and TBN, 700 club, and others are to be thanked for that - deception is no way to win lasting converts that are put under a spell. - unfortunately you are still blind - and i hope through circumstances you will be healed of your blindness also.I can't pray for that but maybe JB can - you are so caught up in the jesusness that you are no earthly good to you or others - though im sure you cannot see that as of now - but you will. i have faith in the god given ability to reason - and i believe if you start reading the bible with out influeces from others you will find the truth also good luck morning star - i hope you do - there is no doubt you have abilities that are needed to save others from mistakes weve made about god, jesus and the bible.

sincerely - tribo

Is the Bible the perfect source for morality?

If you believe it is, why does it guide you?

If you think its a load of rubbish, how do you know? Have you read it, if you have, then why did you read it?

Drew???!!!

Quickstepper did NOT change her argument .....sorry you just misread her once more.... what she just shared here with you.

Drew..... NOWHERE in the bible does it say that God AUTHORIZED Slavery.

HOWEVER, God ALLOWED man to have FREE WILL ....to make their own CHOICES...including having slaves.

But God did NOT AUTHORIZE Slavery.

Tribo....when I last watched TBN, I saw and heard many annointed teachings.
Jan and Paul Crouch are very careful to make sure that the Word of God is preached on their network.

However, I don't neccessarily agree with everything on TBN, but it doesn't mean they aren't preaching the Word of God.

Lately, I have been listening to a christian radio station of denominational preachers...and am hearing the word preached also..even if they are just denominational preachers...and don't speak in tongues as I do.
They are still preaching the Word of God.... And I enjoy their ministry too.

But God will let us christians know when we are hearing something that is not lining up with the word of God..or if something being preached is just man's opinion.

When we hear something that is not quite right , we chuck it....cause we know even the best preachers will make mistakes.

That is why we christians should always make sure that what we hear, lines up with the Word of God, at all times.

See Tribo ,the Holy Spirit in us is our teacher....not man.
If we hear something preached that is not right, the Holy Spirit in us christians will let us know.

In fact, I just hear a spirit filled preacher sunday in church, and something was said that did not quite agree with my spirit...but normally, he is a good preacher...so point is...I chucked the part that is not quite right, and listen to the rest(which was fine).

BUT, if this preacher were to say something ALL the time ,that did not line up with the Word of God?

Well...Then I would have to move on and find another preacher to listen to.

Tribo...God's Sheep are able to recognize the Shepherd's Voice Speaking .

But we also know that because
man is not perfect ,man will sometimes make mistakes.
Including even the best preachers.

That is why Christians need to always follow NOT after man, but after God.


Be Blessed Now, Tribo.

kumbaya my lord kumbaya ....



what the hell does kumbaya mean anyway?

JB is VERY interested in Christianity. I see her alot on this site. Why would someone come here to irritate,unless their real purpose for being here was to find out why some are able to have so much faith and she cannot? It is a sad excistence to think that this is all there is to life. I know that no matter how hard things may seem on Earth, at the end I will spend eternity surrounded by love and happiness.

I have defended JB numerous times. Then, I come back online and it sounds like she is Christian bashing. I am not sure why she is here. Like I said, maybe she is just curious. But, I have non-religious friends that I have seen get on these forums just to irritate people. They think it is amusing. I have friends of all sorts of faiths, but I would never go onto their forums unless I was there to educate myself on their beliefs. That does not mean I will believe what they do, but I will have a better understanding. I was irritated because I defended her and then she sounded like some of my friends. By the way, I have told them it is not amusing and they should just listen to some music or something while they are drinking if they are that freakin bored. I don't hate JB though, just irritated.

JB, I don't need you to make me question my beliefs. I am not a robot, I am a human being. Fine, you think I live a fantasy life? That's my problem. I NEED to believe! You know what you are doing. I am not an idiot. Like I said on previous posts. I have gone to Wiccan ceremonies and such for various reasons. But, none to make them question their beliefs. You don't have to agree. Just talk to people. Gheez, this world can be so demanding and ugly. I come to a Christian forum to talk nice. The conversation does not have to be about faith, but it is my choice other than: let's say: " My booty call last night and such,,," I have seen the ugliest things in life and so have many other people on this forum. Peace for once....PLEASE! I miss my husband in California. Everytime I get back from a deployment is he leaving for his. I worry about him so much and I get so lonely. I am a truck driver and he is a pilot. I need to trust that God will take care of him. I need to believe that all this will end good. I just want a normal life. I think I live in Iraq more than here. In fact, that is the case. I pray every night. I should not have tried to committ suice upon my last return. I was a lost soul. I pray for Gods forgiveness everyday. This sounds silly, but to pay Him back I have adopted an abused dog, I am fostering a kitty cat and I am volunteering at the Salvation Army. I don't pat myself on the back....I just need redemption from God. Please let me have that JB.

your post makes the assumption that christianity is the only path to faith and an afterlife when in fact there are literally hundreds such paths....

this assumption that non-christian have no faith is quite insulting to those of us, myself included, who are of other faiths.